Oricon poll: The strongest manga character of all time

Krycek7o2 · Post by **Krycek7o2** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:52 pm

FuniYamcha wrote:
Adamant wrote:
JulieYBM wrote: Makes one wonder what they'd say if they included American comics...
Is there anything in there that actually says they didn't? They're just not popular enough to matter.
Yeah, it's been pointed out that this is just a list of popular strong characters. The infamous pre Crisis Superman would dominate that list, since his list of powers are whatever the writers felt like, such as moving an entire galaxy like it's nothing:

~Snip~

Not even Goku can do that, though he'd sure try. And if Goku tried to Kamehameha Superman, Superman's writers would just say he has a Super Ki Absorbing Shield or something. Just like it's hard to beat luck, it's hard to beat someone who can make up whatever strengths they have.[/img]

Batman could beat Goku. If Batman can kill the God of all Evil (Darkseid), he can pretty much do anything (In the Current DC Universe). He always has a plan for any situation, but then again, he is currently lost in time...

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:26 am

Herms wrote:Some of the other suggested strongest manga characters, who didn't make the top five: Dio (JoJo's Bizzare Adventure), Raoh (Fist of the North Star), Kira (Death Note; "as long as he's got the Death Note, he can easily defeat even Goku"), Golgo 13, Sailor Moon, Mazinger Z, Lucky Man ("no matter how strong you are, nobody can win againt the strongest luck"), Ryouma Echizen (Prince of Tennis), Astro Boy, and Haruhi Suzumiya.

And Meso! Quite the sexy choice.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:42 am

MisterFlashdude wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:I seriously doubt a fake Kaiô-Ken would make Luffy stronger than Vegeta or even a One-Tailed Naruto (Sage Mode for Naruto or Super Saiyan for Vegeta would be overkill). Concerning the humans Tenshinhan, Kuririn and even Yamcha would make short work of him.
Like I said, he couldn't stand up against any of the Saiya-jin.
Naruto's got a lot of strength and potent skills now, but Luffy's about his equal in strength and utterly surpassing him in speed. Naruto can't fight someone who can consistently move faster than the bare eye can perceive. Yet.
And I simply disagree that Luffy couldn't stand up against the human Dragonball characters. He's got the speed, building-demolishing force behind his punches and a nice array of melee abilities. I suppose his biggest disadvantage would be his inability to fly or fight at a distance. But it wouldn't be an easy fight for any of the Dragonball humans.

Really, if warping around is any indication of strength or speed according to you then Rock Lee or Might Guy is equal or greater in strength than Luffy and that is not counting if they use the Hachimon Tonkou. Naruto in any of the Tailed States and particularly Sage Mode surpasses both Lee and Guy. It all comes down to Japan’s opinion and nothing of any substance thus Luffy is in the top five.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:29 pm

That's somewhat different. Some characters in Naruto spontaneously teleport, but that particular technique never really comes into play during a fight.
Lee shows absurd speed in that fight but it's only after opening several Hachimon, like you said, and using Ura Renge which... caused his muscles to shred apart and almost killed him. Even Yondaime's "speed" is shown to be a matter of teleportation scrolls.
I chose my words very carefully. No one in Naruto has ever shown the ability to consistently move faster than the eye can perceive. Granted, Lee and Guy can move really fast without putting their life at risk but not as fast or as easily as Luffy can using Soru.
When Luffy couldn't use this ability and the CP9 members could, he simply had no chance. When he figured it out and improved on it, he decimated them. Naruto would be as effective against Luffy as Luffy was against the members of CP9 before he could use Soru.
Or as effective as a pumped up Trunks was against Cell, to use a more Daizex-appropriate example..

I do, however, think I'm nerd-ranting too fervently over such a silly matter and this is my last entry in the Naruto vs Luffy fightclub.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:25 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:That's somewhat different. Some characters in Naruto spontaneously teleport, but that particular technique never really comes into play during a fight.
Lee shows absurd speed in that fight but it's only after opening several Hachimon, like you said, and using Ura Renge which... caused his muscles to shred apart and almost killed him. Even Yondaime's "speed" is shown to be a matter of teleportation scrolls.
I chose my words very carefully. No one in Naruto has ever shown the ability to consistently move faster than the eye can perceive. Granted, Lee and Guy can move really fast without putting their life at risk but not as fast or as easily as Luffy can using Soru.
When Luffy couldn't use this ability and the CP9 members could, he simply had no chance. When he figured it out and improved on it, he decimated them. Naruto would be as effective against Luffy as Luffy was against the members of CP9 before he could use Soru.
Or as effective as a pumped up Trunks was against Cell, to use a more Daizex-appropriate example..

I do, however, think I'm nerd-ranting too fervently over such a silly matter and this is my last entry in the Naruto vs Luffy fightclub.

I do not know anything about that show/manga (One Piece) after a certain point (it does not interest me) I was going off that youtube link you posted earlier. It is just a technique the same as opening the Hachimon. Luffy’s Second and even Third Gear is just a rip off of something Mr. Fantastic most likely performed years ago or some variation of it. I still believe there is nothing special about him and thus his #5 spot is not deserved.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:49 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
MisterFlashdude wrote:That's somewhat different. Some characters in Naruto spontaneously teleport, but that particular technique never really comes into play during a fight.
Lee shows absurd speed in that fight but it's only after opening several Hachimon, like you said, and using Ura Renge which... caused his muscles to shred apart and almost killed him. Even Yondaime's "speed" is shown to be a matter of teleportation scrolls.
I chose my words very carefully. No one in Naruto has ever shown the ability to consistently move faster than the eye can perceive. Granted, Lee and Guy can move really fast without putting their life at risk but not as fast or as easily as Luffy can using Soru.
When Luffy couldn't use this ability and the CP9 members could, he simply had no chance. When he figured it out and improved on it, he decimated them. Naruto would be as effective against Luffy as Luffy was against the members of CP9 before he could use Soru.
Or as effective as a pumped up Trunks was against Cell, to use a more Daizex-appropriate example..

I do, however, think I'm nerd-ranting too fervently over such a silly matter and this is my last entry in the Naruto vs Luffy fightclub.
I do not know anything about that show/manga (One Piece) after a certain point (it does not interest me) I was going off that youtube link you posted earlier. It is just a technique the same as opening the Hachimon. Luffy’s Second and even Third Gear is just a rip off of something Mr. Fantastic most likely performed years ago or some variation of it. I still believe there is nothing special about him and thus his #5 spot is not deserved.

No, not quite. Luffy's power's are a bit different, as he can't slide underneath doors like Reed can by flattening himself. He just stretches, extends, pumps air into his bones, and can increase his speed and strength by increasing his metabolism. Pretty inventive and unique only to him in his world.

There's also his heart and will which people find aluring, as opposed to Vegeta who's just a plain mean guy.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:16 am

JulieYBM wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:
MisterFlashdude wrote:That's somewhat different. Some characters in Naruto spontaneously teleport, but that particular technique never really comes into play during a fight.
Lee shows absurd speed in that fight but it's only after opening several Hachimon, like you said, and using Ura Renge which... caused his muscles to shred apart and almost killed him. Even Yondaime's "speed" is shown to be a matter of teleportation scrolls.
I chose my words very carefully. No one in Naruto has ever shown the ability to consistently move faster than the eye can perceive. Granted, Lee and Guy can move really fast without putting their life at risk but not as fast or as easily as Luffy can using Soru.
When Luffy couldn't use this ability and the CP9 members could, he simply had no chance. When he figured it out and improved on it, he decimated them. Naruto would be as effective against Luffy as Luffy was against the members of CP9 before he could use Soru.
Or as effective as a pumped up Trunks was against Cell, to use a more Daizex-appropriate example..

I do, however, think I'm nerd-ranting too fervently over such a silly matter and this is my last entry in the Naruto vs Luffy fightclub.
I do not know anything about that show/manga (One Piece) after a certain point (it does not interest me) I was going off that youtube link you posted earlier. It is just a technique the same as opening the Hachimon. Luffy’s Second and even Third Gear is just a rip off of something Mr. Fantastic most likely performed years ago or some variation of it. I still believe there is nothing special about him and thus his #5 spot is not deserved.
No, not quite. Luffy's power's are a bit different, as he can't slide underneath doors like Reed can by flattening himself. He just stretches, extends, pumps air into his bones, and can increase his speed and strength by increasing his metabolism. Pretty inventive and unique only to him in his world.

There's also his heart and will which people find aluring, as opposed to Vegeta who's just a plain mean guy.

Uhh did you read the full extent of Mr. Fantastic abilities? I did not say they share the exact abilities. Some of things that Luffy does Mr. Fantastic did it years ago. Also I thought the poll concerned strength not personality or attitude.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:31 am

Nowhere do I see 'strength' defined specifically as physical power or ability.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:56 am

Krycek7o2 wrote:
FuniYamcha wrote:
Adamant wrote: Is there anything in there that actually says they didn't? They're just not popular enough to matter.
Yeah, it's been pointed out that this is just a list of popular strong characters. The infamous pre Crisis Superman would dominate that list, since his list of powers are whatever the writers felt like, such as moving an entire galaxy like it's nothing:

~Snip~

Not even Goku can do that, though he'd sure try. And if Goku tried to Kamehameha Superman, Superman's writers would just say he has a Super Ki Absorbing Shield or something. Just like it's hard to beat luck, it's hard to beat someone who can make up whatever strengths they have.[/img]
Batman could beat Goku. If Batman can kill the God of all Evil (Darkseid), he can pretty much do anything (In the Current DC Universe). He always has a plan for any situation, but then again, he is currently lost in time...

But Darkseid can't destroy the Earth in the blink of an eye, like Son can, can he?

Krycek7o2 · Post by **Krycek7o2** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:48 am

Pain wrote:
Krycek7o2 wrote:
FuniYamcha wrote: Yeah, it's been pointed out that this is just a list of popular strong characters. The infamous pre Crisis Superman would dominate that list, since his list of powers are whatever the writers felt like, such as moving an entire galaxy like it's nothing:

~Snip~

Not even Goku can do that, though he'd sure try. And if Goku tried to Kamehameha Superman, Superman's writers would just say he has a Super Ki Absorbing Shield or something. Just like it's hard to beat luck, it's hard to beat someone who can make up whatever strengths they have.[/img]
Batman could beat Goku. If Batman can kill the God of all Evil (Darkseid), he can pretty much do anything (In the Current DC Universe). He always has a plan for any situation, but then again, he is currently lost in time...
But Darkseid can't destroy the Earth in the blink of an eye, like Son can, can he?

He brought down all of existence with his death. He can create and destroy anything with his eyes, the Omega Beam.

goodguy777 · Post by **goodguy777** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:22 am

Krycek7o2 wrote:
He brought down all of existence with his death. He can create and destroy anything with his eyes, the Omega Beam.

Words alone can be deceiving. Omega beam cannot destroy our planet Earth and not even a city. In Final Crisis, Barry Allen and Wally West, still pursued by the Black Racer, arrive to witness Superman's clash with Darkseid. Darkseid's followers unleash Omega Beams on the two Flashes, who outrace the beams and cause them to hit Darkseid. The Black Racer reaches Darkseid as he lays dying from Radion poisoning and removes his essence/soul from Dan Turpin's body.
As you can see, that alone contradicts your "omega beam can destroy anything" because Darkseid having radion poisoning then getting hit by the omega beamS didn't destroy his essence/soul or Dan Turpin's body.
If Lois Lane and the normal citizens didn't die from "Darkseid bringing down all of existence with his death", what more can you expect with the Saiyajins?

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:00 pm

Well, I agree with the list with the exception of Doraemon. In all my years watching Doraemon I wouldn't exactly think of him as strong. Smart and ingenious, yes. Strong, no.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:35 pm

While we're at it, no love for Toguro (the younger), Guyver 1, Violence Jack, Amon, Takagi Yoshiyuki, or Saiga Riki-Oh? Anyone of those guys could easily contend with (even outright kick the shit out of, depending) a great many characters mentioned in this list (and most of their respective manga titles were/are certainly plenty popular and well known in Japan at least).

I argee since Guyver 1 should have got a good spot on the list. I see this list to be more of a popular list then a who is stronger list. But it's nice to see some Fist of the North Star love on the list though.

Shoryuken · Post by **Shoryuken** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:07 am

SonGokuGT wrote:Well, I agree with the list with the exception of Doraemon. In all my years watching Doraemon I wouldn't exactly think of him as strong. Smart and ingenious, yes. Strong, no.

Doraemon has a vast array of tools, perhaps in one of chapters of the manga he was granted super strength?

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:13 pm

Herms wrote:Kira (Death Note; "as long as he's got the Death Note, he can easily defeat even Goku")

Doesn't the book specifically state that he can only kill humans? Goku is a space alien from space.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:18 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Herms wrote:Kira (Death Note; "as long as he's got the Death Note, he can easily defeat even Goku")
Doesn't the book specifically state that he can only kill humans? Goku is a space alien from space.

I think that it just can`t kill Reapers.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:32 pm

rereboy wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:
Herms wrote:Kira (Death Note; "as long as he's got the Death Note, he can easily defeat even Goku")
Doesn't the book specifically state that he can only kill humans? Goku is a space alien from space.
I think that it just can`t kill Reapers.

The first rule in the Death Note is:
"The human whose name is written in this note shall die."

Or, at least, that's what the English version states. I don't know if it differers at all from the Japanese version.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:33 pm

Death Note only can kill Humans since Humans are the main race in the series. So it won't work on characters like Goku or Superman.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:10 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
rereboy wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote: Doesn't the book specifically state that he can only kill humans? Goku is a space alien from space.
I think that it just can`t kill Reapers.
The first rule in the Death Note is:
"The human whose name is written in this note shall die."

Or, at least, that's what the English version states. I don't know if it differers at all from the Japanese version.

The rules were written in by Ryuk, who was writing it for a human. Maybe 'mortal' could be used in place of human.

For example, Dragon Ball itself calls Saiyans 'human', when they're in their normal forms at least. Ginyu called himself one, too. Sometimes ningen just means person.

I also think the Guyvers should have made the list. I assume counting gods would be cheating, even though there was (potentially) one on the list.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:01 pm

Gods? You mean Zoalords and their not gods since a few of them are Planetbusters. Archanfel is the strongest since his best feat is destroying a Planet twice the size of Mars and was able to escape a Black hole.

Well I see this list to be a popularity list and Goku got #1 since he was voted to be number #1 (no different then Wolverine beating Lobo in the Marvel vs. DC comics). If I was going to make this list then either Pegasus Seiya or Tenchi Masaki would be #1 on the list IMHO.

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