Most painful thing that happen to Vegeta in your Opinion?

Oolong215 · Post by **Oolong215** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:26 am

Being hit at full force by a Genki-Dama, and crushed by an Oozaru shortly after, or being impaled through the shoulder by Yi Xing Long and electrocuted

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:43 am

Him getting his ass kicked by all the major villians.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:41 am

Vegeta is what I will refer to as a "measuring stick" character. Everyone knows that Vegeta is "strong as fuck". And at many points in the series is the number two strongest character, sometimes is even number one, so for Toriyama to show that a villain is a fucking wrecking machine, he will have him beat Vegeta, because:

A. He is a strong character that if beaten will make the reader go "Oh shit!"
B. He isn't the main character

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:02 am

omegacwa wrote:Vegeta is what I will refer to as a "measuring stick" character. Everyone knows that Vegeta is "strong as fuck". And at many points in the series is the number two strongest character, sometimes is even number one, so for Toriyama to show that a villain is a fucking wrecking machine, he will have him beat Vegeta, because:

A. He is a strong character that if beaten will make the reader go "Oh shit!"
B. He isn't the main character

Toriyama said he never really liked Vegeta, but he was very useful to have around.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:16 am

Freeza in general. He messed up Vegeta's life in a way no one else ever accomplished. (Enslaved his people, constantly threatened Vegeta's father into doing what he wanted and eventually killed Vegeta's father when he tried to fight back, blew up his homeplanet thus killing nearly everyone in the saiyajin kingdom, probably humiliated him on a regular basis, eventually killed him...).

If it weren't for whichever of the three saiyajins thought to go look for "Kakarrotto" in the first place, even if Vegeta had continued getting stronger while under Freeza's hold, Freeza probably would've killed him once he began to suspect Vegeta was getting too powerful.

So yeah, whichever of them got the idea to find Goku, hats off to him.

Disclaimer: Not that Vegeta's life didn't immediately get better; he still has terrible luck and sabotages himself sometimes due to being blinded by his ego, but he's still got Bulma, Trunks, and Bura; and they still love him. :3 (Goku cares about him too, in his own way.)

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:38 am

Raki wrote:
omegacwa wrote:Vegeta is what I will refer to as a "measuring stick" character. Everyone knows that Vegeta is "strong as fuck". And at many points in the series is the number two strongest character, sometimes is even number one, so for Toriyama to show that a villain is a fucking wrecking machine, he will have him beat Vegeta, because:

A. He is a strong character that if beaten will make the reader go "Oh shit!"
B. He isn't the main character
Toriyama said he never really liked Vegeta, but he was very useful to have around.

Wow, I am not crazy as everyone thinks; can you provide a reference for that statement? I want to use it in future debates.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:44 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Raki wrote:
omegacwa wrote:Vegeta is what I will refer to as a "measuring stick" character. Everyone knows that Vegeta is "strong as fuck". And at many points in the series is the number two strongest character, sometimes is even number one, so for Toriyama to show that a villain is a fucking wrecking machine, he will have him beat Vegeta, because:

A. He is a strong character that if beaten will make the reader go "Oh shit!"
B. He isn't the main character
Toriyama said he never really liked Vegeta, but he was very useful to have around.
Wow, I am not crazy as everyone thinks; can you provide a reference for that statement? I want to use it in future debates.

Is it really all that surprising?

Tenshinhan-san · Post by **Tenshinhan-san** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:47 am

I read several times that Toriyama intended to kill off Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga as he didn't like him, but didn't due to Vegeta having already established a huge fanbase by that time.

And I don't think it's that surprising, I mean there are qualities I like about Vegeta, but bottomline he is a dick most of the time.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:15 am

Tenshinhan-san wrote:I read several times that Toriyama intended to kill off Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga as he didn't like him, but didn't due to Vegeta having already established a huge fanbase by that time.

And I don't think it's that surprising, I mean there are qualities I like about Vegeta, but bottomline he is a dick most of the time.

I'm pretty sure that was only said in one of those ridiculously fake "Tihashiberi" interviews. Something about Oozaru Gohan eating Vegeta.

That would actually have been pretty cool...

B · Post by B » Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:45 am

Watching someone who was supposedly nothing surpass him in every aspect of life. Pride is the testicles times 7. Don't wanna kick someone's pride.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:40 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Raki wrote:
omegacwa wrote:Vegeta is what I will refer to as a "measuring stick" character. Everyone knows that Vegeta is "strong as fuck". And at many points in the series is the number two strongest character, sometimes is even number one, so for Toriyama to show that a villain is a fucking wrecking machine, he will have him beat Vegeta, because:

A. He is a strong character that if beaten will make the reader go "Oh shit!"
B. He isn't the main character
Toriyama said he never really liked Vegeta, but he was very useful to have around.
Wow, I am not crazy as everyone thinks; can you provide a reference for that statement? I want to use it in future debates.

Lord Herms typed it once. I'm sure he knows the exact interview and such.

Post by **Herms** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:47 pm

It was in the Daizenshuu 2 interview.

saiyanprincess · Post by **saiyanprincess** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:56 pm

Being hummiliated by Freeza to the point of crying.

He can handle physical pain. But the despair that he felt fighting freeza, that hopelessness... That hurt on a whole new level.

And Freeza did torture him physically and killed him eventually.

So I would say that his fight with Freeza was the most painful thing that happened to Vegeta. And, within it, the hummiliation was worse than anything else.

I totally agree with you, Vegeta can block out any physical pain thrown at him. Out of all the fighters I think he has one of the highest pain tolerances. However mentally his pride would hurt more than any physical injury, count this after being physically beaten by Freeza; He then witnessed Goku being much stronger than him and he realised his life had been worthless. He would never get to be a super Saiyan, and he would never get to defeat Freeza avenging his people (Although he would never admit) and his pride at having to follow Freeza's every whim all his life.

Vegeta would have hurt, Possibly the most in his life at that moment. Still, I think he is mentally one of the strongest of the characters on the series. I could never imagine anyone (Other than perhaps Goku) enduring what Vegeta had throughout his life. Although arguarbly he did partly enjoy killing people.
What are others takes on this?

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:24 pm

saiyanprincess wrote:Vegeta would have hurt, Possibly the most in his life at that moment. Still, I think he is mentally one of the strongest of the characters on the series. I could never imagine anyone (Other than perhaps Goku) enduring what Vegeta had throughout his life. Although arguarbly he did partly enjoy killing people.
What are others takes on this?

Eh... it's ridiculously easy to psych him out. He ignores any evidence given that would make him have to think something through if he's already decided to fight (which can be attributed to most of his beatings). Almost every time a villain who was already king shit of fuck mountain made some sort of metamorphosis, Vegeta's ego would override his ability to sense ki and he would convince himself that the fighter was either weaker or overrated.

Oh, and it isn't arguable. He very much enjoyed killing. Filler Vegeta was even worse.

Deity · Post by **Deity** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:56 pm

Tenshinhan-san wrote: And I don't think it's that surprising, I mean there are qualities I like about Vegeta, but bottomline he is a dick most of the time.

the namek arc Vegeta is a great character, I love to see little hints on the personality of a character, he is very confident throughout the story even though he knows freeza is that much stronger than him, the first time he gets really "scared" is when the ginyu tokssentai showed up and he still killed one of them off with great personality. Walking around doing everything on his own, this Vegeta puts a smile on my face.

Oh and when he is mocking #19 it is really funny too.

xzero · Post by **xzero** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:03 pm

Tolerating Nappa, according to the DBZ Abridged guys (great conclusion to Season 1 if you haven't seen it yet).

Jackal puFF · Post by **Jackal puFF** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:05 am

Yeah I agree getting impaled thru the shoulder. Getting possessed by Bebi, Getting sliced by Yaji's sword. That's like the only time he got hurt by a weapon.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:09 am

Herms wrote:It was in the Daizenshuu 2 interview.

Thanks, Herms I found the quote. From now on when I say that Toriyama screwed Vegeta, I have something to back up my statement.

Akira Toriyama wrote:With Vegeta, well, I don't like him all that much, but he was extremely helpful to have around.

Vegeta helped in that if he appeared weak Kakarrot or Son Gohan would look that much greater.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:27 am

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:14 am

I just found something out, just for the lulz.
Vegeta (in the first half of DBZ) is a character that has all the seven deadly sins (from the Bible) on his concience:

Lust - Slept with Bulma without being married, and probably fantasized when she was busy with Yamcha
Gluttony - As a Saiya-jin, he eats lots of food, and without control
Greed - Greed for power, greed for the Dragonballs
Sloth - Sloth for everyone else's business
Wrath - Oh, yah, need no explanation there
Envy - Envy of Goku and Gohan (Cell Games)
Pride - Pride in himself, at least, and also of his heritage

The sins are all represented by their color. This is funny, as I have another hypothesis that I have pulled out of my ass:

Goku = orange = Gluttony. He eats like a pig.
Vegeta = blue = Pride.
Janemba form 2 = red = wrath. He is made of all negative energy.
Piccolo = green = envy. He is envious of Goku in the beginning of Z.
Bulma = purple = lust. 'Nuff said

Kanzenshuu

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