Daizenshuu EX DB wiki...again

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:35 pm

Ah, and I am reminded...shall we incorporate Herms' Age Guide into the Wiki as well? Whether as just listing them next to a information like height and weight or going beyond that and incorporating them into the summerization of character histories?

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:42 pm

Yeah, like during a summary do parts like "Saiyan Arc; Age: Characters Age at this point."

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:47 pm

The Time Traveller wrote:Yeah, like during a summary do parts like "Saiyan Arc; Age: Characters Age at this point."

I'm thinking something like...

"Five years pass from the time of Piccolo's second attempt to conquer the world, Son Goku (24) visits with his friends again, revealing to him his son, Son Gohan (4)..."

Except not written so terribly on the fly.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:51 pm

That seems better, actually.

There should also be a page for every year/age that's relevant, like the going-ons in that year, similar to Wikipedia's year pages.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:50 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Ah, and I am reminded...shall we incorporate Herms' Age Guide into the Wiki as well? Whether as just listing them next to a information like height and weight or going beyond that and incorporating them into the summerization of character histories?

I already mentioned doing something like that: having a personalized timeline for each character showing what year important events happened to them, and how old they were, like they do on the Japanese Wikipedia pages for DB characters. So for Kuririn, it would go something like:

Age 736: born
Age 740 (4 years old): enters Oorin Temple
Age 749 (13): becomes a pupil of Kame-sennin and meets Goku

Etc.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:46 am

Herms wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:Ah, and I am reminded...shall we incorporate Herms' Age Guide into the Wiki as well? Whether as just listing them next to a information like height and weight or going beyond that and incorporating them into the summerization of character histories?
I already mentioned doing something like that: having a personalized timeline for each character showing what year important events happened to them, and how old they were, like they do on the Japanese Wikipedia pages for DB characters. So for Kuririn, it would go something like:

Age 736: born
Age 740 (4 years old): enters Oorin Temple
Age 749 (13): becomes a pupil of Kame-sennin and meets Goku

Etc.

Splended idea, good sir. This will make researching just that much easier...

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:38 pm

Herms wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:Ah, and I am reminded...shall we incorporate Herms' Age Guide into the Wiki as well? Whether as just listing them next to a information like height and weight or going beyond that and incorporating them into the summerization of character histories?
I already mentioned doing something like that: having a personalized timeline for each character showing what year important events happened to them, and how old they were, like they do on the Japanese Wikipedia pages for DB characters. So for Kuririn, it would go something like:

Age 736: born
Age 740 (4 years old): enters Oorin Temple
Age 749 (13): becomes a pupil of Kame-sennin and meets Goku

Etc.

Maybe a "notable events" instead? Just so we don't have near-identical timelines all over the wikia, I mean.

Post by **Herms** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:59 pm

I thought about them all looking the same, but I don't think it should be too much of a problem. For one, people get born at different times. Gohan's timeline won't include many of the years that Goku's does, since he wasn't born during many of them, and Goten's one would include even less. Also, even if the same years would be included in each one due to the major story arcs, the entries for each year would look pretty different depending on the character. For instance, in 762 Yamcha dies fighting a Saibaiman and spends the rest of the time training at Kaio's, while Krillin survives the fight with the Saiyans and sets off for Namek. Finally, everyone's age will be different, and I think have a reference for what age the character is during the events of the series is good to have.

Post by **Herms** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:58 am

Sorry to double-post, but I had another idea about how a filter for this wiki could work. You know how on Wikipedia, on the left hand side of each page, there's a list of links to the different versions of that article in various languages? Would it be at all possible for us to have something like that for this wiki, only instead of different languages, there would be different versions of the article based on different dubs and translations? So for instance, the default version an article would use the Daizenshuu EX naming scheme, based off of the Japanese version, but if someone wanted to, they could click the link on the left and read a version of the article that uses the Funi dub names, or the Viz names. I think that would be a great way for this Wiki to appeal to the different types of fans, if they can adjust it to their own preferences. Would it be possible to set up a name filter that would work like that, where it could switch between displaying different versions of the name depending on the setting?

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:21 am

Well I noticed that in the wikias those links take you to a separate site, but I'm not sure if it always work like that, so it would mean a separate site

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:00 am

20 different versions of every single article, just to please some people who don't want to read "Son Goku"?
I really don't think there's a point in that.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:28 am

Adamant wrote:20 different versions of every single article, just to please some people who don't want to read "Son Goku"?
I really don't think there's a point in that.

While I agree with you it wouldn't be a particularly daunting task. Mostly just a copy and paste job with name alterations.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:54 am

NeptuneKai wrote:
Adamant wrote:20 different versions of every single article, just to please some people who don't want to read "Son Goku"?
I really don't think there's a point in that.
While I agree with you it wouldn't be a particularly daunting task. Mostly just a copy and paste job with name alterations.

But still at least a little daunting. Also kind of convuluted for something that really sounds redundent.

Post by **Herms** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:37 pm

Well, my idea was that there'd be only one article, but you could toggle what names are used between different sets. But I don't know if that would be at all feasible.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:28 pm

Herms wrote:Well, my idea was that there'd be only one article, but you could toggle what names are used between different sets. But I don't know if that would be at all feasible.

Sounds possible. Probably easy using PHP, even. But I forget how since I haven't done it for a while...and I have no idea how Wikis work beneath the surface.

Ghost of Vegeta · Post by **Ghost of Vegeta** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:57 pm

It is very possible. I know quite a bit of PHP and have some experience coding for MediaWiki. It would be as simple as creating a system message (something like "MediaWiki:Namefilters") and putting versions of each character's names in each row, with each column being a different "set" of names. A cookie or a session variable (preferably the latter) would be used to keep track of the user's choice of name set. The extension will modify each page behind the scenes each time it is served, replacing any version of any name used in another set to the chosen name version. It would also work on article "talk" pages, of course, so by default it'd be filtering out all those "Freeza's" and "Hercules" like the forum's own word filter does.

But as simple as it is (for a PHP guy like me, that is), I'd agree with Adamant in that it really isn't necessary.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:33 am

If we did pages for songs, would we include lyrics?

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:38 am

If each song has it's own artice I don't see why not, we could include romanization, translation and kanji (or is it katanka, or whatever it's called)

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:09 am

Guys, this Wiki is going to be super cool. I don't know if any of you realize this yet. I can't wait to get to work and be a part of something big like this.

I has a question. How are fan projects like the Daizex Podcast and TeamFourStar's Abridged going to be handled on the Wiki? Single articles? Or really in depth stuff, like trivia and full transcripts of every episode?

B · Post by B » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:33 am

Should that stuff even be a part of it? I mean, it's outside material that's related to Dragon Ball in pretty much nomenclature only. If TFS is going on there, why not the hundreds of other abridged series all over YT?

It's not my call, but I personally wouldn't do it.