Personality traits Vegeta and Kakkarot have in common..

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:05 pm

Rocketman, it's the Androids fault for fighting Piccolo in the first place.

Anyway, here's a screencap recap of the Cell saga end events:

And Gohan's morale goes downhill from there.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:10 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Rocketman, it's the Androids fault for fighting Piccolo in the first place.

Piccolo went there to fight them.

Anyway, here's a screencap recap of the Cell saga end events:

I'm not sure why you posted all these. I know full well what happens in that sequence.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:12 pm

Rocketman wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Rocketman, it's the Androids fault for fighting Piccolo in the first place.
Piccolo went there to fight them.

Anyway, here's a screencap recap of the Cell saga end events:
I'm not sure why you posted all these. I know full well what happens in that sequence.

But you act like anything before Gohan starts crying again never happened and isn't a plausible reason for his reaction, so I was posting that for everyone to see.

And Piccolo wouldn't have fought in the first place if the Androids didn't come to Master Roshi's house.

I mean, C'mon, just admit that Vegeta was just as stupid as anybody was during the saga.

SaiyanBlood · Post by **SaiyanBlood** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:13 am

Let's not make this a battlefield, guys. One of us might end up getting killed.

Do some of you have anything against Vegeta? If so please just..stop flaming him. Stop flaming Gohan as well, please. Same for any other characters.

Since a majority of the fights seem to be about Gohan and Vegeta, I'd like to point out some stuff:

First, on Vegeta's behalf(though he probably not really like the fact that I'm trying to defend him if he was real)

1. You say Vegeta messed up and shouldn't have intervened when Cell
and Gohan were battling.

I agree. But Vegeta was driven by rage and anger over losing his son.
He was angry out of love and emotions like love were new prospects to
him. It's easier for him to lose control.Anyone who wants to judge
him,take his unstable condition and his past into account,please.

And just remember that Vegeta never asked for Gohan to take Cell's blast. Sure, poor excuse, and sure, doesn't matter. But there you go. If anyone could complain, it'll be Gohan himself. And the hybrid never did. Maybe because Gohan knew that what he did(protecting Vegeta) was exactly what his father would have done.

And Vegeta did apologise in the end. Yes, it can't account for all the lives he had taken, all that his pride blinded him to do. But it's a start. and he grew to become one of the most reliable warrior in all 3 series.Count his past as well, he had to endure more pain in his life than anyone else.

On Gohan's behalf:

Yes, he did cry. And with good reason. His father just died, a maniac is about to blast him off to oblivion and the rest of the world is resting heavily on his shoulder. He obviously would cry. But he did it in the end. With the help of his father, The Zfighters and Vegeta as well. But I agree, Goku was better suited to be hero. Goku had early taining, saved people through his own choice. Gohan also had early taining, but he was forced into it.He liked fighting, but not as much as a pure-blooded saiyan.Half of him is human, remember.

And please stop blaming both for their mistakes. Stop blaming everyone.

Goku messed up choosing his son to fight. He thought Gohan was confident about it as well.

Vegeta had let Cell absorb 18. He wanted to see how strong he was. The prince was driven by pride. Bad. Yes. But his past ttaught him that it was the most important thing in life.

Piccolo and Tien messed up. Gohan cried. Krillin almost sacrificed the world for love.

They all made mistakes. They all learnt from it.

So can we get back to the topic? I'm new, and I spent a lot of time just flitting across the web and answering posts as well as setting up new topics,and something that really never fails to amuse me is the way everyone in forums deviate away from the original topic, returns to it and leaves it again.

I'm very sorry if I had offended anyone in my post. I do not mean to start a fight.

Keep a watchout for my topics, please

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:56 am

SaiyanBlood wrote:snip

Best effin post ever.

The only one not to screw up was Tenshinhan, who actually helped out.
The rest fucked it up together.

And as a note, I think that Gohan is an idiot, yes, but in no way a worse character than anyone else.
But I think that Vegeta is the biggest idiot of those two.
This is why:

Gohan:
1. Fights against Radditz. Doesn't even remember hitting Radditz.
2. Fights against Nappa and Vegeta, without giving up for the most of the fight.
3. Fights Freeza, and shows a great deal of power and courage, not to mention how he fights the Ginyu force too without crying and stuff.
4. Fearlessly bashes the head of android 20 (who is much stronger than himself)
5. Fights Perfect Cell. Is now tired of fighting. Transforms into SSJ2 after all the mayhem. Fights brutally against Perfect Cell. Cell blows up. He returns. Gohan proclaims that he has to take care of Cell again, fearlessly. Vegeta fucks everything up, and Gohan manages with Goku's guidance to fix the whole thing.
6. He let's the training go, and loses power. Why not, it's times of peace.
When he realizes the danger, he fights without fear. And when he gets the chance he trains vigorously. Then he breaks the sword and gets the Ultimate Powerup. He fights until Goku arrives, and his contributions end there.

Vegeta:
1. Murders whole races of aliens.
2. Comes to Earth, escapes half-dead. Gets beat up by a midget, a child and Goku, who was only stronger than him for bursts.
3. Leaves for a trip to Namek. His Zenkai has given him the upper hand over opponents. He fights Cui, and later Dodoria without any problems.
Zarbon kicks his ass, mainly because of the transformation.
Vegeta goes "ha-ha" because of that they underestimated his healing-capacity. Steals the Dragonballs.
Fights Zarbon again, wins easily because of the Zenkai.
4. So, now the Ginyu force arrive. He kills Gurd. Then he fights Recoome and confirms what he over and over again said before the fight: they are all doomed! Great courage, by the way.
Goku arrives, Vegeta stares in awe.
5. They fight Freeza. First Vegeta goes in to the battle. A shiver goes down his spine as Freeza transforms. He is more or less not contributing at all.
He gets his Dende zenkai, and starts to cry as he realizes that he isn't strong enough, just as Gohan use to do. Oh, wait. That's not true.
6. He fights android 19, kicks the crap outta him, and the opposite happens when he fights android 18. Yet again he rise everyone's moral by telling them that it's impossible to win.
7. He battles semi-perfect Cell, let's him absorb no. 18. Gets FUBAR.
Wakes up, goes to the chamber again, just to be useless again.
8. So, just when Gohan is going to fight Super Perfect Cell, Vegeta loses connection to the present and goes into a rage-mode and attacks Cell, because of that he has realized that he is capable of showing love to his son Trunks. Aaaw. Beautiful, just beautiful.
Anywho he fucks everything up, and leaves Gohan paralyzed, just to almost redeem his sin by blasting Cell in his base form.
9. Over to Buu's arrival. The Vegeta that swore never to fight again is up to fighting again.
He fights Pui Pui, yet again he shows his confidence against a much weaker opponent.
He goes Majin, because of that he can't stand Goku's power. So he fucks everything up yet again, focusing the whole spotlight on himself.
So, they fight, and Buu get's resurrected.
Just now he realizes that he may have done a teensy mistake and knocks Goku down to take care of the Demon all by himself.
So, he ends up with sacrificing himself for his own sins, 'cause he is totally converted to the good side now.
10. He agrees (with hesitation) to fuse with Goku, and boy was he mad about Goku's SSJ3.
So next up he makes his next smart move: He crushes his ear-ring.
Yeah, he wants to fight Buu by himself.
You know, the same Buu that is way stronger now, who Vegeta couldn't kill with his own power when he was way weaker?
11. So, he ends up as a punching bag against Kid Buu and makes the people of the Earth unwilling to give their energy (even though it was his idea, he ruined it). Mr. Satan was a greater hero at that point than Vegeta.

Yeah, that's it.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:54 am

We should just copy & paste those two posts whenever the discussion comes up

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:00 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I mean, C'mon, just admit that Vegeta was just as stupid as anybody was during the saga.

I don't think I ever said anything to deny that.

Wojak wrote:The only one not to screw up was Tenshinhan, who actually helped out.

Tien agreed to not go after Gero and instead wait three years.

2. Comes to Earth, escapes half-dead. Gets beat up by a midget, a child and Goku, who was only stronger than him for bursts.

No, he gets beat up by a Kaioken x4 Kamehameha, a Spirit Bomb and being crushed by a giant monkey.

4. So, now the Ginyu force arrive. He kills Gurd. Then he fights Recoome and confirms what he over and over again said before the fight: they are all doomed! Great courage, by the way.

...? I don't recall Vegeta being all gloom and doom versus Recoome.

5. He gets his Dende zenkai, and starts to cry as he realizes that he isn't strong enough, just as Gohan use to do. Oh, wait. That's not true.

No argument. The difference is, nobody hails Vegeta as such an awesome hero and worthy successor to Goku because of the fight where he breaks down in tears.

6. Yet again he rise everyone's moral by telling them that it's impossible to win.

I don't recall that either. Where'd he say that?

SaiyanBlood · Post by **SaiyanBlood** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:01 am

I posted my earlier opinions to show that all characters have an equal share of mistakes and moments of glory in their history. It seems to make people think I prefer Gohan though.

Actually, I am a fan of Vegeta, and Gohan had never actually been my fav character(Don't bite my head, Wojak and other Gohan supporters, hear me out first) but I like to think that I judge characters fairly. Kindly don't flame me and correct me nicely if I'm wrong.

I'm sorry, I don't want to start a fight.But I noticed that once again the posts are tilting towards flaming Vgeta. Again.

Vegeta:
1. Murders whole races of aliens.

And changes in the end.

4. So, now the Ginyu force arrive. He kills Gurd. Then he fights Recoome and confirms what he over and over again said before the fight: they are all doomed! Great courage, by the way.

The sarcasm is lost (Pleeeeeaaaasssse don't get mad at me, Wojak, please, I'm not trying to offend anyone) Vegeta fought anyhow didn't he?Courage is not the absence of fear but the choice to overcome the fear no matter how afraid you're feeling. Cliche line, I know, but it rings true.

5. They fight Freeza. First Vegeta goes in to the battle. A shiver goes down his spine as Freeza transforms. He is more or less not contributing at all.

Let's not forget that when he was getting beaten up, neither Piccolo, Gohan or Krillin helped, though Gohan wanted to. But he didn't. In the end, all of them messed this up.

8. So, just when Gohan is going to fight Super Perfect Cell, Vegeta loses connection to the present and goes into a rage-mode and attacks Cell, because of that he has realized that he is capable of showing love to his son Trunks. Aaaw. Beautiful, just beautiful.

No offense, but agreed, though not sarcatically.

So next up he makes his next smart move: He crushes his ear-ring.
Yeah, he wants to fight Buu by himself.

So did Goku. He crushed his earring because he wanted to fight Kid Buu. So did Gohan, in a different way. He could've destroyed Cell. He didn't.

For Gohan:

Gohan:
1. Fights against Radditz. Doesn't even remember hitting Radditz.
2. Fights against Nappa and Vegeta, without giving up for the most of the fight.
3. Fights Freeza, and shows a great deal of power and courage, not to mention how he fights the Ginyu force too without crying and stuff.
4. Fearlessly bashes the head of android 20 (who is much stronger than himself)
5. Fights Perfect Cell. Is now tired of fighting. Transforms into SSJ2 after all the mayhem. Fights brutally against Perfect Cell. Cell blows up. He returns. Gohan proclaims that he has to take care of Cell again, fearlessly. Vegeta fucks everything up, and Gohan manages with Goku's guidance to fix the whole thing.
6. He let's the training go, and loses power. Why not, it's times of peace.
When he realizes the danger, he fights without fear. And when he gets the chance he trains vigorously. Then he breaks the sword and gets the Ultimate Powerup. He fights until Goku arrives, and his contributions end there.

Done. Both are idiots. All of them were.

and now,

just reread my earlier post.

Do some of you have anything against Vegeta? If so please just..stop flaming him. Stop flaming Gohan as well, please. Same for any other characters.
And please stop blaming both for their mistakes. Stop blaming everyone.

Goku messed up choosing his son to fight. He thought Gohan was confident about it as well.

Vegeta had let Cell absorb 18. He wanted to see how strong he was. The prince was driven by pride. Bad. Yes. But his past ttaught him that it was the most important thing in life.

Piccolo and Tenshinhan messed up. Gohan cried. Krillin almost sacrificed the world for love.

They all made mistakes. They all learnt from it.

So can we get back to the topic? I'm new, and I spent a lot of time just flitting across the web and answering posts as well as setting up new topics,and something that really never fails to amuse me is the way everyone in forums deviate away from the original topic, returns to it and leaves it again.

I'm very sorry if I had offended anyone in my post. I do not mean to start a fight.

So can we please get back?

I'm sorry if I strike as arrogant or if you don't agree with me or if you find me annoying or if you hate me or if I had offended anyone at all in ANY of my posts, especially Wojak and Rocketman. Please, I do not want to make enemies. I just want the fights to stop.

No offence meant to ANYONE and everyone.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:33 pm

Piccolo and Tenshinhan messed up.

Hw did they mess up? Piccolo had to fight the ndroids to protect a defenseless Goku. Tenshinhan held off second form Cell by himself.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:28 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:Piccolo had to fight the ndroids to protect a defenseless Goku.

Goku had recovered from the heart virus and was up on Kami's Lookout when Piccolo fought 17.

Tenshinhan held off second form Cell by himself.

Tien agreed to not go after Gero before he completed the Androids.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:57 pm

Goku had recovered from the heart virus and was up on Kami's Lookout when Piccolo fought 17.

So in that case he was holding them off while the others trained.

Tenshinhan agreed to not go after Gero before he completed the Androids.

So?