Golden Ôzaru, Chibi GT Kakarrot and Legendary Broli

[JulieYBM]

I will return to my original argument the tail has fur which is an extension of their hair. If their hair turns gold, their tail should as well.

Hair and fur could be two different things. After all, Goku doesn't turn into a black Oozaru despite having black hair.

Have every occurrence in the anime and in colored posters etc. depicted any of the Saiyans as brown Ôzarus (or would that be Ôzari) ?

Just 'Oozaru', no plural in Japanese (unless Herms wants to correct me).

[Bussani]

I will return to my original argument the tail has fur which is an extension of their hair. If their hair turns gold, their tail should as well.

Hair and fur could be two different things. After all, Goku doesn't turn into a black Oozaru despite having black hair.

Have every occurrence in the anime and in colored posters etc. depicted any of the Saiyans as brown Ôzarus (or would that be Ôzari) ?

I'm not 100% sure. In some of the video games the Oozaru have slightly different shades of brown. But I don't recall seeing a non-brown Oozaru, even in filler.

Either way, my point is that their tails are always brown, regardless of their hair color. Of course, we never see a Saiyajin with anything but black hair in the manga. So it's possible that Oozaru fur is separate and not effected by Super Saiyajin transformations in the same way as normal hair. I'm not saying it has to work this way, it's just an idea.

[Senzu_Bean]

You can punch me if you want for revive an old thread but regarding Saiyan tails while in SSJ the 'DragonBall GT - Perfect File Vol. 1' shows SSJ Goku with golden tail:



I can guess any instance the tail is show with brown color is nothing more than colour mistake. Cause, iirc, the tail is brown in one situation. I don't remember how many times we see a golden tail besides when Goku goes SSJ3.

[Bussani]

I can guess any instance the tail is show with brown color is nothing more than colour mistake. Cause, iirc, the tail is brown in one situation. I don't remember how many times we see a golden tail besides when Goku goes SSJ3.

Conversely, any time it's gold could be the mistake. I don't know which depiction was more common.

[Herms]

Incidentally, I remember that the GT Perfect Files describes "a golden head of hair" as one of the outward signs of a Super Saiyan, as opposed to all the hair on the body turning gold.

[Rocketman]

Incidentally, I remember that the GT Perfect Files describes "a golden head of hair" as one of the outward signs of a Super Saiyan, as opposed to all the hair on the body turning gold.

The eyebrows turn gold too, though, and they're separate from the main mass of hair.

[Herms]

Well, the term used was touhatsu, literally hair of the head, so strictly speaking that would include eyebrows as well, though I'm not sure if that's how the term is used in practice.

[Li'l Lemmy]

Sure, Rocketman, but the eyebrows are still of the same type of hair at the very least. Somehow I doubt that it's HAIR hair Goku has growing on his tail, and by that same token I doubt that it's fur growing on his head rather than hair. I tend to think of them as completely different.

Other than in the illustration above, the only time we see a golden tail is when Goku turns SSJ3 that one time.

Well, the term used was touhatsu, literally hair of the head, so strictly speaking that would include eyebrows as well, though I'm not sure if that's how the term is used in practice.

This.


~Da Lemmy

[Rocketman]

Sure, Rocketman, but the eyebrows are still of the same type of hair at the very least. Somehow I doubt that it's HAIR hair Goku has growing on his tail, and by that same token I doubt that it's fur growing on his head rather than hair. I tend to think of them as completely different.

Hair and fur are the exact same thing. The two words only distinguish if the mammal is a human or a not-human.

[Li'l Lemmy]

They share a similar chemical composition, which I suppose does make them the same from a technical standpoint.

There is a noted difference between hair and fur, however: fur grows to a set length and stops, whereas hair continues to grow. By that logic, we have hair on our heads and fur on our arms and legs. I think the same logic can be applied to Goku and his tail . . .

. . . possibly.


~Da Lemmy

[Rocketman]

They share a similar chemical composition, which I suppose does make them the same from a technical standpoint.

There is a noted difference between hair and fur, however: fur grows to a set length and stops, whereas hair continues to grow. By that logic, we have hair on our heads and fur on our arms and legs. I think the same logic can be applied to Goku and his tail . . .

. . . possibly.

1. You're wrong in the Real World. HowStuffWorks.com shall explain why.

A follicle will produce new cells for a certain period of time depending on where it is located on your body. This period is called the growth phase. Then it will stop for a period of time (the rest phase), and then restart the growth phase again.

When the hair follicle enters the rest phase, the hair shaft breaks, so the existing hair falls out and a new hair takes its place. Therefore, the length of time that the hair is able to spend growing during the growth phase controls the maximum length of the hair.

The cells that make the hairs on your arms are programmed to stop growing every couple of months, so the hair on your arms stays short. The hair follicles on your head, on the other hand, are programmed to let hair grow for years at a time, so the hair can grow very long.

Animals that shed have hair follicles that synchronize their rest phase so that all of the follicles enter the rest phase at once. This way, all of the hair falls out at one time. A dog that sheds will lose its hair in large clumps.

In addition, the follicles for eyebrows are like the ones for body hair - their growth phase only a couple of months.

If Goku's eyebrows turn gold, his tail should too.

2. You're wrong in the Dragonball World. All Saiyan hair grows to a point and stops, so there should be no difference between head hair and the tail hair.

[Freeza Heika]

The big fallacy is that you are basing Saiyan physiology off of the physiology of Earth species. For all we know, It can be vastly different in respects that we can't perceive based soley off of their appearance to the naked eye. The application of terms like hair or fur could be completely superfulous.

[Sin]

It is possible that Goku, Vegeta and co. can control their power however due to Broly being a Mutant he is somehow overtaken by this power and is stuck in a state in between humanoid and Oozaru, he has the strength, build and insane blood thirsty mind of a Golden Oozaru even though he acts seemingly calm and normal before he enters this state.

[Bussani]

Sure, Rocketman, but the eyebrows are still of the same type of hair at the very least. Somehow I doubt that it's HAIR hair Goku has growing on his tail, and by that same token I doubt that it's fur growing on his head rather than hair. I tend to think of them as completely different.

Hair and fur are the exact same thing. The two words only distinguish if the mammal is a human or a not-human.

While I agree with both of your posts, there's also the fact that the 'Oozaru fur' on the tail is always a different color to their head of hair. When they become Oozaru, they're fully brown like the fur on their tails, rather than the hair on their heads. So even if your hair was blonde (SSJ or not) isn't it possible that the tail would remain brown?

That's how I see it. I think that, for one reason or another, the tail only turns gold at SSJ3 in humanoid form. My personal explanation is that it takes a certain level of power before the 'Oozaru fur' turns gold as well (the kind of power that SSJ3 and Golden Oozaru have).

[Maphisto86]

I don't like that theory Busani. It still does not make much sense why a Saiyan's tail would not become golden furred until SSJ3. While GT seems to suggest this, it was not until halfway through the Super 17 Saga. It is all quite nebulous really. While the tail of a Saiyan is brown and the hair (mostly black) it is not as much of an extreme change between brown-golden/yellow.

However, based on what we have seen in the anime though, Busani's theory would be correct. It's just another thing I didn't like about GT. Overall it would depend on which you perfer but if you want to be empirical or "canon" when including GT.

On topic though, I believe Kuririn said something about the Oozaru transformation's effect on Son Goku & Gohan being the Saiyan's true nature. In a way this is true and Brolly's violent madness probably has something to do with his unique abilities. Many Saiyan's we have seen live to fight and easily become reckless. Brolly is just a step further than this. I do not believe it has anything to do with the Oozaru form per say but it could be related. My skepticism has to do with the fact that Brolly does not have his tail as an adult and you would think if the Saiyan's "primal nature" had to do with the Oozaru form, then wouldn't removing the tail calm Brolly down? Like docking your dog?

[Bussani]

I don't mind if you disagree with my theory. One thing though; his tail was brown at SSJ and gold at SSJ3 in the Bebi saga, before the Super 17 saga.

[Maphisto86]

I don't mind if you disagree with my theory. One thing though; his tail was brown at SSJ and gold at SSJ3 in the Bebi saga, before the Super 17 saga.

Didn't I say that? Anyway, I conceded the point to you my friend since based on what we saw in GT, there is more evidence in favor of the fact that Son Goku's tail would not turn golden until he reached SSJ3. I myself think it was an artist's error personally, but there is nothing to back that up except one illustration on the first GT Perfect File Book Cover. So really my view is more of an opinion then a statement of fact. Touche'.

Back on topic!

[Bussani]

I don't mind if you disagree with my theory. One thing though; his tail was brown at SSJ and gold at SSJ3 in the Bebi saga, before the Super 17 saga.

Didn't I say that? Anyway, I conceded the point to you my friend since based on what we saw in GT, there is more evidence in favor of the fact that Son Goku's tail would not turn golden until he reached SSJ3. I myself think it was an artist's error personally, but there is nothing to back that up except one illustration on the first GT Perfect File Book Cover. So really my view is more of an opinion then a statement of fact. Touche'.

Back on topic!

Oh, I just meant you said that it wasn't until halfway through the Super 17 saga, and I disagreed because it first happened in the Bebi saga, that's all. I'm not trying to ram my theory down anyone's throats here. XD

[Maphisto86]

I don't mind if you disagree with my theory. One thing though; his tail was brown at SSJ and gold at SSJ3 in the Bebi saga, before the Super 17 saga.

Didn't I say that? Anyway, I conceded the point to you my friend since based on what we saw in GT, there is more evidence in favor of the fact that Son Goku's tail would not turn golden until he reached SSJ3. I myself think it was an artist's error personally, but there is nothing to back that up except one illustration on the first GT Perfect File Book Cover. So really my view is more of an opinion then a statement of fact. Touche'.

Back on topic!

Oh, I just meant you said that it wasn't until halfway through the Super 17 saga, and I disagreed because it first happened in the Bebi saga, that's all. I'm not trying to ram my theory down anyone's throats here. XD

Wait what!? Do you mean we first saw Goku golden tailed in the Bebi Saga or that we actually saw him with a tail while SSJ1? I only remember the former. *scratches head*

[Herms]

If Goku's eyebrows turn gold, his tail should too.

Except we have no idea why the hair on a Saiyan's head turns gold when they become a Super Saiyan to begin with, so we can't say what should or shouldn't happen to the hair on the rest of the body