The Legendary Super Saiyan

[Shineman]

Two question:
First Question: Is the Legendary Super Saiyan that Vegeta mention is the Original Super Saiyan? Because i went up on wiki(i know it full of lies most of the them) and it states this. I just wanted to make sure.

Second Question: Vegeta stated that the Legendary Super Saiyan "was destroyed by his own power". Does that mean the overloaded by all that power? Did he blow up the saiyan old home world (which cause them to migrate to another planet) and he got caught in the explosion?

[Bussani]

I think the simple answers are that we just don't know what happened for sure.

Supposedly the 'legendary Super Saiyajin' is the one that appears once every thousand years, or whatever the legend is. This apparently turns out to just be an exaggerated legend, though, since there's nothing stopping more than one Saiyajin from becoming Super Saiyajin if they put the work in (or are Goten and Trunks). This implies that there was one 1000 years ago, like Vegeta said. What happened to him is mostly unknown though. I mean, it's a legend, so it's probably based on some truth, but that's about it.

I would personally imagine that he went on an out of control rampage and blew up whatever planet he was on.

I think the GT Perfect Guides say that the original Saiyajin homeworld might still be out there, but it depends on if you take the Perfect Guides as canon. Oh, also, I remember one of the Daizenshuu (maybe it was the timeline) saying that the Saiyajin migrated to Planet Vegeta (Plant) only a few years before Freeza blew it up, so they didn't end up there right after the last Super Saiyajin. Something happened in between.

[Herms]

Second Question: Vegeta stated that the Legendary Super Saiyan "was destroyed by his own power". Does that mean the overloaded by all that power? Did he blow up the saiyan old home world (which cause them to migrate to another planet) and he got caught in the explosion?

I think this is only a dub thing.

[Maphisto86]

Second Question: Vegeta stated that the Legendary Super Saiyan "was destroyed by his own power". Does that mean the overloaded by all that power? Did he blow up the saiyan old home world (which cause them to migrate to another planet) and he got caught in the explosion?

I think this is only a dub thing.

Really!? I thought the anime sequences made it quite clear, although it should be noted that scene was just filler. What concrete references where made of the pre-Goku Super Saiyan in the original manga?

[Herms]

There's the thing about how the Super Saiyan is supposed to appear every 1000 years, that a Super Saiyan "surpasses the wall that no genius warrior can surpass", and that a Super Saiyan delights in destruction and slaughter, and is the strongest warrior in the universe. I think that's about it.

[MCDaveG]

I think it's only a legend, so you can't assign some big importance to what that legend says and accroding to manga, the second legendary SSJ is Goku...

[Peegles]

The Super Saiyan evolution was "legendary" at first because, like red hair amongst humans, it's a rarity to the Saiyans. Since they didn't know the specfic methods on how to aquire such power, the Saiyans assumed that it was some sort of divine miracle given to the chosen few. In actuality, however, the transformation occurs involuntarily when one reaches his/hers natural limit and is overcome with intense emotion - like in Goku's case after fighting against Frieza.

The Broly film, however, introduces two types of Super Saiyans, which makes it more complicated, albeit non-canon: one who is a Super Saiyan, the "legendary" type, by birth (Broly); the other through reaching its fighting peak (Goku, Trunks, Gohan, Vegeta, etc). The Legendary type has a limitless supply of ki energy compared to its generic counterpart, which makes the likes of Broly the dominant type.

I might be off the mark here, but I thought I should share my two-cents.

[Rocketman]

The Legendary type has a limitless supply of ki energy compared to its generic counterpart, which makes the likes of Broly the dominant type.

Except it's not limitless, because a half-dead Goku made him explode with a single punch.

[Li'l Lemmy]

Limitless enough, I'd say. Broli never showed any signs of fatigue. Goku may have overpowered him, but not because Broli ran low on energy and weakened.


~Da Lemmy

[Wojak]

I would like to add that even Android 17 & 18 got killed, and they had limitless chi.

[rereboy]

The androids have a limited amount of power than never runs out. Their energy never drops but it doesn`t go beyond their 100% level of energy.

There is no such thing as unlimited power or energy in Dragon Ball.

[Rocketman]

There is no such thing as unlimited power or energy in Dragon Ball.

Except for Vegetto.

[Onikage725]

Except it's not limitless, because a half-dead Goku made him explode with a single punch.

Yeah, really. Where does this Broli=God sillyness come from? He's strong as hell, built like an ox, and hits like a freight train. But he's basically an overexaggerated USSJ2 Trunks, just with enough power to back up his tough talk.

I would like to add that even Android 17 & 18 got killed, and they had limitless chi.

They did?

[rereboy]

There is no such thing as unlimited power or energy in Dragon Ball.

Except for Vegetto.

Even him has a limit. A fusion between Goku and mystic Gohan would be more powerfull than Vegetto, so he clearly is not unlimited in his power.

I would like to add that even Android 17 & 18 got killed, and they had limitless chi.

They did?

Yap.

Numbers 19 and 20 were energy absorption type androids.

Numbers 17 and 18 were "limitless" energy type androids. This is how 18 gained the upper hand quickly in her fight against SSJ Vegeta, he was losing a lot of energy while he was fighting while she didn`t lose any. I think 16 was too but I`m not so sure.

Basically what "limitless" means in this context is that they never run out of energy. But there is a limit to the amount of energy or power that they have.

That`s why in order to defeat 18 or 17 a fighter must be much stronger/powerfull than they are. If their powers are similar the android will probably win just because he/she doesn`t lose any energy.

[Wojak]

I would like to add that even Android 17 & 18 got killed, and they had limitless chi.

They did?

Trunks killed them in the future, remember? After returning to his timeline again.

The androids have a limited amount of power than never runs out. Their energy never drops but it doesn`t go beyond their 100% level of energy.

There is no such thing as unlimited power or energy in Dragon Ball.

You just contradicted yourself.
An amount of power that doesn't run out is an infinite amount of power.

Now, if they can only use a certain amount, that's another story.
It can be dependant on their construction and how much their body can take.

A note: Piccolo mentioned that Android 18 never got tired.

[rereboy]

I would like to add that even Android 17 & 18 got killed, and they had limitless chi.

They did?

Trunks killed them in the future, remember? After returning to his timeline again.

The androids have a limited amount of power than never runs out. Their energy never drops but it doesn`t go beyond their 100% level of energy.

There is no such thing as unlimited power or energy in Dragon Ball.

You just contradicted yourself.
An amount of power that doesn't run out is an infinite amount of power.

Now, if they can only use a certain amount, that's another story.
It can be dependant on their construction and how much their body can take.

A note: Piccolo mentioned that Android 18 never got tired.

You misundersood me.

Maybe I wasn`t perfectly clear.

Think of power as a gas tank in a car.

The androids have a gas tank that never runs out. However that gas tank holds 50 gallons of gas (for example).
That`s why I said they had a limited amount of power (50 gallons) than doesn`t run out (the car can go for miles and miles and the tank will always have 50 gallons).

Another fighter can have a gas tank of 200 gallons (he can have much more power) but since his power or gas in not "limitless" it will drop continously while the car travels. The fighter will need to rest in order to regain his power or gas.

By the way, I think you misunderstood what Onikage725 said too.

[Dayspring]

The Legendary type has a limitless supply of ki energy compared to its generic counterpart, which makes the likes of Broly the dominant type.

Except it's not limitless, because a half-dead Goku made him explode with a single punch.

Limitless does not mean invincible. Broly's ki never seemed to drop. Rather, it looked like it was growing incessantly. Goku's wackyfist technique was simply stronger than Broly, which was why he went kaboom.

[rereboy]

Yes, but, literally, to something to be limitless, it can`t have any limit.

Maybe Brolly`s power never drops in a similar way to that of the androids.

However, if the amount of power that he has is not infinite that his power has a limit and is not limitless.

So Brolly`s power can be "limitless" but not in the literal sense. It only means that it doesn`t drop.

But we dont have enough evidence to say that his power can`t drop. We can only guess.

[Onikage725]

Trunks killed them in the future, remember? After returning to his timeline again.

*facepalm* Oh yeah, that. This is what I was referring to, rereboy. Sorry, I wasn't clear. I know how the different energy sources work. But thanks for responding. That's why my theory is that Piccolo was stronger (after fusion) than #17, and #17 made up the difference by simply not needing to worry about getting tired or running out juice. I never did quite get why the best repeated attack #18 could muster against Cell were those little energy balls. With her power and the generator backing it, she should have just blown the continent out from under him.

Yes, but, literally, to something to be limitless, it can`t have any limit.

Maybe Brolly`s power never drops in a similar way to that of the androids.

However, if the amount of power that he has is not infinite that his power has a limit and is not limitless.

So Brolly`s power can be "limitless" but not in the literal sense. It only means that it doesn`t drop.

But we dont have enough evidence to say that his power can`t drop. We can only guess.

I disagree here. Brolli's power is no more limitless than any other (non-robotic or magically-based) fighter. Freeza's power seemed limitless to Vegeta. I'll bet Vegeta's power seemed without end to Pui Pui. The fighters that opposed Brolli where, to him, scrubs. They didn't have the power to make his drop. On top of which, his father was always holding him back until that fight, when he broke his controller. So his power increasing was probably him just finding the full measure of his own strength.

So, in my opinion his power increased because for the first time in a long time he was allowed to cut loose, and his opponents weren't worth any more to him than a warm up. His power didn't drop because noone on the field was remotely strong enough to put a dent in him. I'm sure if he had been fighting Super Perfect Cell or Dabura or Buu or an SSJ2 or 3 fighter or fusion warrior he would have come face to face with his own limits. Unless of course the shock of meeting a superior fighter caused him to "break through the Super Saiyan wall" and hit SSJ2...

But, afterall, Legendary Super Saiyan is still Super Saiyan. A state which by its very nature has limits.

PS: I know I used Super Saiyan and SSJ interchangeably. I know how nonsensical it is. That's just how I do it.

[Dayspring]

Yes, but, literally, to something to be limitless, it can`t have any limit.

Maybe Brolly`s power never drops in a similar way to that of the androids.

However, if the amount of power that he has is not infinite that his power has a limit and is not limitless.

So Brolly`s power can be "limitless" but not in the literal sense. It only means that it doesn`t drop.

But we dont have enough evidence to say that his power can`t drop. We can only guess.

Fair enough. To clarify then, when people say limitless, they're essentially only refering to how ki affects stamina. Usually the more ki you waste (techniques, take damage, whatever usage), the more tired you get. This isn't the case with Broly.

EDIT: Which could be why Goku was miraculously stronger than him, as well as why "Legendary" is identical to USSJ2. If he was incapable of feeling tired, then he just kept wasting his power in ridiculous amounts, since he couldn't tell it was limited like everybody else. To go USSJ2, one must merely pump a redonk amount of power into one's muscles (while in SSJ). This would explain how he went USSJ2 (if we agree that's all that Legendary is). Since we see him wasting all his energy, Goku getting in a good hit would work, since he'd have weakened himself already on his own.