English Dragon Box Release

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:32 pm

It's official.

Stories of the year:

1. MJ Died

2. MOTHER FUCKING DRAGON BOXES IN NORTH AMERICA

3. MOTHER FUCKING ONE PIECE MANGA SPEED UP

DBZGokuSaiyan · Post by **DBZGokuSaiyan** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:36 pm

fps_anth wrote:It's official.

Stories of the year:

1. MJ Died
2. MOTHER FUCKING DRAGON BOXES IN NORTH AMERICA
3. MOTHER FUCKING ONE PIECE MANGA SPEED UP

Right on.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:38 pm

Smooth Criminal wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Sorry buddy, but the quality will not change. It's DRAGON BOX, for Kaioshin's sake! Stop whining! I hate to see the dogs here whining because of one more episode pack in per disc. Gosh, I'm so sick of them bashing on Funimation all the time! I came here to see the excited faces of the fans here but instead all I see was hating and rage!

You should be happy that Funimation will be release Dragon Box at all or else you will be suffering at the hand of Remastered Season sets! You all have have to learn to be more appreciative instead of vomiting in rage and drunk out on them. For me personally, I'm happy that they will release the perfect gift, a gift that nobody thought would be released. I don't care if they milk my money. I will buy anything as long as it's Dragon Ball because I'm a darn collector. I'm happy with my season sets and I'm even more happy that there will be American version of Dragon Box.

Now all I see here was dissing on Funimation when they try to give what fans really wanted for over a decade of suffering! I'm so sick of Funi vs Ocean, Jap vs Funi BGM (yes I just used the dreaded Jap) or Remastered vs Dragon Box! Ugh! Don't ever compare the releases. They are not all the same! It's like comparing apple and orange, polar bear and grizzly bear, white butt and black butt. I'm so tired of hearing that all the time. Can't you guys just be happy for once?

Dragon Box was supposed to be released in Japan only and were in limited-edition pre-order releases. Does that the same of here? No. We can buy Dragon Box in major retailer stores. If you don't like that ultimate gift, you might as well go back to old days of Saban releases and hold them dear.

I'm feeling much better, thanks to venting on my anger.
Did you really type all of this in one minute?

No. That was for general folks.

Freeza Heika · Post by **Freeza Heika** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:39 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Sorry buddy, but the quality will not change. It's DRAGON BOX, for Kaioshin's sake! Stop whining! I hate to see the dogs here whining because of one more episode pack in per disc. Gosh, I'm so sick of them bashing on Funimation all the time! I came here to see the excited faces of the fans here but instead all I see was hating and rage!

You should be happy that Funimation will be release Dragon Box at all or else you will be suffering at the hand of Remastered Season sets! You all have have to learn to be more appreciative instead of vomiting in rage and drunk out on them. For me personally, I'm happy that they will release the perfect gift, a gift that nobody thought would be released. I don't care if they milk my money. I will buy anything as long as it's Dragon Ball because I'm a darn collector. I'm happy with my season sets and I'm even more happy that there will be American version of Dragon Box.

Now all I see here was dissing on Funimation when they try to give what fans really wanted for over a decade of suffering! I'm so sick of Funi vs Ocean, Jap vs Funi BGM (yes I just used the dreaded Jap) or Remastered vs Dragon Box! Ugh! Don't ever compare the releases. They are not all the same! It's like comparing apple and orange, polar bear and grizzly bear, white butt and black butt. I'm so tired of hearing that all the time. Can't you guys just be happy for once?

Dragon Box was supposed to be released in Japan only and were in limited-edition pre-order releases. Does that the same of here? No. We can buy Dragon Box in major retailer stores. If you don't like that ultimate gift, you might as well go back to old days of Saban releases and hold them dear.

I'm feeling much better, thanks to venting on my anger.

This is a capitalist society. We are fully within our rights, as patrons, to bitch at Funimation. There are obviously things that can't be made to satisfy every one, but things like picture and audio quality are measurable and with just a little effort can be made to suit everyone. I'm happy they're trying, but they are indeed capable of doing better. Whether they NEED to do better than this when it comes to disc count it something that will have to wait before it can be determined. For now, all we can do is looked to the more video-tech-inclined forum members to give us an idea of what may happen.

Big Boss · Post by **Big Boss** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:39 pm

Smooth Criminal wrote:I have concerns the bitrate and image quality will suffer. If they add the 5.1 track on here, we might have problems......

I'm going to quote what I said earlier:

"Video compression has drastically changed since 2003. You can get the same quality at lower bitrates these days."

Freeza Heika · Post by **Freeza Heika** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:44 pm

Big Boss wrote:
Smooth Criminal wrote:I have concerns the bitrate and image quality will suffer. If they add the 5.1 track on here, we might have problems......
I'm going to quote what I said earlier:

"Video compression has drastically changed since 2003. You can get the same quality at lower bitrates these days."

I backed up all of my orange bricks so as not to have to futz with the fragile digipak. I used an incredibly cheap, and by cheap I mean free, software to do so. I put, I think 9 episods per disc. Yah, there was some quality loss, but it wasn't enough to bother me. I'm sure that 1 extra episode and some audio won't cause too much of a problem, especially when using the proper resources to do so.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:17 pm

FUCK YES! My grandma just sent me $100! I have enough to buy 2 of these babies, now!

Ramoro-san · Post by **Ramoro-san** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:20 pm

Holy crap, this thread is insane lol.
I only just got word of the news...

HALLE-FUCKING-LUJAH!!!
It feels like a revelation from heaven, like Funimation is doing this just for people like me who have an unhealthy and ridiculously religious obsession with the original Japanese version in its purist, unaltered state! AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OH, SWEET MANNA FROM THE GODS.

I'm so glad I didn't go and buy the rest of the season boxsets (not like I could afford to right now anyway).

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:28 pm

Big Boss wrote:
Smooth Criminal wrote:I have concerns the bitrate and image quality will suffer. If they add the 5.1 track on here, we might have problems......
I'm going to quote what I said earlier:

"Video compression has drastically changed since 2003. You can get the same quality at lower bitrates these days."

Unless you all have microscopic vision to see every blemish and detail, you won't even notice the difference anyways.

I'm pretty confident that FUNi won't go the HK bootlegger route compressing 9 episodes per disc and having every fast motion fight all macroblocky.

Smooth Criminal · Post by **Smooth Criminal** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:30 pm

So the HK bootlegs were actually sourced from the DBOX? I thought they just ripped off the packaging.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:31 pm

Smooth Criminal wrote:So the HK bootlegs were actually sourced from the DBOX? I thought they just ripped off the packaging.

Yeah, the colors were definitely Dbox. I admit I bought the first HK set back in 2003 to see what it was like, but I gave it away to my old housekeeper's family 2 years ago.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:33 pm

Castor Troy wrote:
Big Boss wrote:
Smooth Criminal wrote:I have concerns the bitrate and image quality will suffer. If they add the 5.1 track on here, we might have problems......
I'm going to quote what I said earlier:

"Video compression has drastically changed since 2003. You can get the same quality at lower bitrates these days."
Unless you all have microscopic vision to see every blemish and detail, you won't even notice the difference anyways.

I'm pretty confident that FUNi won't go the HK bootlegger route compressing 9 episodes per disc and having every fast motion fight all macroblocky.

QFT. All Funi's adding is an extra episode per disc, an audio track, and a subtitle track. It will lead to the bit rate being slightly lower, but not noticeably.

And besides, didn't the Dragon Boxes still have some free space on the discs anyway? I remember someone on this forum saying that.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:35 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:
Big Boss wrote: I'm going to quote what I said earlier:

"Video compression has drastically changed since 2003. You can get the same quality at lower bitrates these days."
Unless you all have microscopic vision to see every blemish and detail, you won't even notice the difference anyways.

I'm pretty confident that FUNi won't go the HK bootlegger route compressing 9 episodes per disc and having every fast motion fight all macroblocky.
QFT. All Funi's adding is an extra episode per disc, an audio track, and a subtitle track. It will lead to the bit rate being slightly lower, but not noticeably.

And besides, didn't the Dragon Boxes still have some free space on the discs anyway? I remember someone on this forum saying that.

I just checked one of the R2 discs earlier and there's BARELY any space left. I think the disc I checked (#33) took up 7.8 GB.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:40 pm

So yeah, there'll be compression, but again, not significant.

But like Big Boss said, these days you can get the same level of quality at a lower bit rate, anyway.

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:42 pm

Castor Troy wrote:I just checked one of the R2 discs earlier and there's BARELY any space left. I think the disc I checked (#33) took up 7.8 GB.

Yeah, the two singles I own barely have any space left. As long as they only add the stereo dub track instead of the 5.1 track, the quality difference shouldn't be very noticeable. Funi's got its work cut out for them though.

It wouldn't even be an issue if they'd just bump the sets up to 7 discs each.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:48 pm

snaku wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:I just checked one of the R2 discs earlier and there's BARELY any space left. I think the disc I checked (#33) took up 7.8 GB.
Yeah, the two singles I own barely have any space left. As long as they only add the stereo dub track instead of the 5.1 track, the quality difference shouldn't be very noticeable. Funi's got its work cut out for them though.

It wouldn't even be an issue if they'd just bump the sets up to 7 discs each.

And Season 9, Disc 2, which has 7 episodes, uses 7.7 GB

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:48 pm

snaku wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:I just checked one of the R2 discs earlier and there's BARELY any space left. I think the disc I checked (#33) took up 7.8 GB.
Yeah, the two singles I own barely have any space left. As long as they only add the stereo dub track instead of the 5.1 track, the quality difference shouldn't be very noticeable. Funi's got its work cut out for them though.

It wouldn't even be an issue if they'd just bump the sets up to 7 discs each.

I see them raising the disc count as well.

Char Aznable · Post by **Char Aznable** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:49 pm

I'm hoping that the quality won't take a huge hit, I'd hate for the definitive North American DBZ release to still not be 'definitive enough' because of two audio tracks taking a little out of the video.

Who knows though, maybe FUNimation could work some magic. Like adding a seventh disc. Magical, eh?

Smooth Criminal · Post by **Smooth Criminal** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:58 pm

They could possibly be adding a 5.1 track, a stereo track, and an original broadcast audio track.

There is also the question as to whether or not they will be using the the JP audio track that is on the original DBox (which is 320kbps, no?). They mention not tampering with the video, well, what about the audio? It's still mono, but according to everyone here who has heard it, the quality is near stereo. Or will they be sticking with their bare-bones 96kbps track they've always had?

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:00 am

jjgp1112 wrote:
snaku wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:I just checked one of the R2 discs earlier and there's BARELY any space left. I think the disc I checked (#33) took up 7.8 GB.
Yeah, the two singles I own barely have any space left. As long as they only add the stereo dub track instead of the 5.1 track, the quality difference shouldn't be very noticeable. Funi's got its work cut out for them though.

It wouldn't even be an issue if they'd just bump the sets up to 7 discs each.
And Season 9, Disc 2, which has 7 episodes, uses 7.7 GB

The orange bricks didn't have next episode previews either, and didn't the episodes share the same OP & ED videos?