English Dragon Box Release

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:38 pm

Hao_Kaiser wrote:
kei17 wrote:That is right. DBox is just awesome except for the colours and the position of next episode previews.
Wait... What? I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean here... How did they change the position of the NEPs?

Actually, the whole DB series had each next episode preview before ending credits, but they changed it on DVD. I think they just missed it.

Son Wukong · Post by **Son Wukong** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:39 pm

kei17 wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Kei17 hates the Dragon Box colors.
My brother and some Japanese fans, too.
I think the colours must be like these.

kendamu wrote:Did'ja think that somehow the R1 DBox, which is just a copy of the R2 DBox, was going to somehow be drastically different?

"We didn't change a damn thing," is what the guy said at Otakon.
It's not just a copy of JapDBox. They'll re-encode the footage. And, it's a really damn thing that they should have changed.
Now they accepted the wrong-coloured footage from Toei. I'll be forced to see a bunch of shit coloured DB videos and shots everywhere.
What a damn fault.

I couldn't give a damn about the hues the armour and other objects got but the beautiful blue sky turning cyan is the major problem I have with the Dbox. Although the sky may have been compromised, the skin tone turned out great in my opinion.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:45 pm

You know, I think it would be a cool idea to take the Dragon Box footage, once FUNimation releases their first DVD, into VirtualDubMod, and use that to try and correct the colors to appear closer to the animation cels like Kei's image...

Although I don't think I could sit there and do that to all 291 episodes!@_@

Hao_Kaiser · Post by **Hao_Kaiser** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:46 pm

kei17 wrote:
Hao_Kaiser wrote:
kei17 wrote:That is right. DBox is just awesome except for the colours and the position of next episode previews.
Wait... What? I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean here... How did they change the position of the NEPs?
Actually, the whole DB series had each next episode preview before ending credits, but they changed it on DVD. I think they just missed it.

Oooooooooh! Haha, I see. Thanks for clearing that up.

I had never actually heard anyone bring that up. That's kind of interesting.

Though, I have to say, NEPs that are played late are better than no NEPs at all.

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:55 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:I know, the colors definitely show age.

For example, I took Vegeta's armor into openCanvas, and used the color dropper on his armor.

The lavender is R:239 G:195 B:239. This is the Dragon Box color. Now, I don't know a darned thing about animating via cels, but did they really paint white areas with a lavender paint?

Next is the grey. I simply greyscaled the lavender and that is how it came out. That is likely more how it was intended with the original film.

The white is your standard, vanilla white. Nothing to see here folks!;)

That's a good comparison! Well, as you can see in these cels, they obviously did not painted his armor in lavendar, but white.

You know, I think it would be a cool idea to take the Dragon Box footage, once FUNimation releases their first DVD, into VirtualDubMod, and use that to try and correct the colors to appear closer to the animation cels like Kei's image...

Although I don't think I could sit there and do that to all 291 episodes!@_@

There's no need to do that to all episodes. The footage in Buu arc isn't bad unlike before that.
It still keeps good colours.

obiwan23s · Post by **obiwan23s** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:59 pm

Char Aznable wrote: I'm really going to have to agree here. I'm not trying to start a debate because in all honesty, there are one or two songs from Faulconer (that's not a whole lot, but it's something) that I actually do like. The problem to me is the video quality. Sticking three audio tracks onto the discs may compromise it more than it can take before taking a hit - even a slight one - in quality.

Maybe that's just me being paranoid, though.

It's not paranoid at all.

It bothers me quite a bit that there will never be a faithfully translated Dragon Ball dub. FUNimation had every chance when they took over the series to dub it the right way, and anime was being dubbed the right way in 1999, you just had to go to California to find it. But no, when they took over they decided to emulate the previous dub, which everyone knows is a censored and rewritten piece of crap. So by extension, the whole show is a censored and rewritten piece of crap, they just stopped censoring and editing the video in 1999.

Everyone deserves a second chance, and this is FUNimation's second chance. It's time they treated Dragon Ball like just another one of their anime properties and release it with the original music and only the original music. I understand the Falconer score is near and dear to a lot of people, but those people have their DVD singles and Orange Bricks. Not to sound like an asshole, but maybe it's time John Doe Dub Fan gets a Dragon Ball release he has problems with. God knows it took FUNimation 10 years of shitting on Dragon Ball with their DVD releases to finally get it right once.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:03 pm

Some more trailer screencaps:

I actually like the colors of the Dragon Box. I prefer things with a pinkish hue and like the sky to look more cyan than blue.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:17 pm

The DBox footage has aged. If it's damaged and the the footage as is now the natural condition, isn't that just as good as the 'original colors'.

Big Boss · Post by **Big Boss** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:24 pm

Interesting development regarding the music issue. I asked FUNi on their twitter:

"On your new Dragon Box sets, is the English dub going to contain the Japanese music, or Bruce Faulconer's music?

They said:

"Dunno yet"

Then another guy asked the same thing. FUNi replied:

"I wanna say Original score only but let me doublecheck"

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:25 pm

Crossing my fingers for the latter!!

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:26 pm

A recent update on FUNimation's Twitter page suggests that the Dragon Boxes will indeed feature one dub track only:

The Original Japanese score.

EDIT: Dammit, Big Boss beat me to it by mere seconds. BUT MINE HAS A LINK, WHAHAHA!!

~Da Lemmy

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:26 pm

Hao_Kaiser wrote:Oooooooooh! Haha, I see. Thanks for clearing that up. I had never actually heard anyone bring that up. That's kind of interesting.

Though, I have to say, NEPs that are played late are better than no NEPs at all.

Yes I think so too. To us, however, it's strange. Many DB fans in Japan noticed the miss, but there is still no mention from Toei.

Here is an evidence.

Ripped from BS-Fuji's re-airing.
http://www.4shared.com/file/120410165/b ... okoku.html

JulieYBM wrote:The DBox footage has aged. If it's damaged and the the footage as is now the natural condition, isn't that just as good as the 'original colors'.

Who wants to see the great DB in damaged colours? If there was the another DBox that features the original colours, everyone would buy it, I guess.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:29 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:A recent update on FUNimation's Twitter page suggests that the Dragon Boxes will indeed feature one dub track only:

The Original Japanese music.

~Da Lemmy

*Awaits jjgp1112's reaction*

obiwan23s · Post by **obiwan23s** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:33 pm

Ha, awesome. FUNi officially puts the Falconer score six feet underground. This release only keeps getting better.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:33 pm

TIME TO BE BORED TO TEARS BY THE BUU ARC!!! WHO'S WITH ME?!!?!

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:34 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:A recent update on FUNimation's Twitter page suggests that the Dragon Boxes will indeed feature one dub track only:

The Original Japanese music.

EDIT: Dammit, people beat me to it. BUT MINE HAS A LINK, WHAHAHA

~Da Lemmy

Man I sure hope so!

jjgp1112 wrote:TIME TO BE BORED TO TEARS BY THE BUU ARC!!! WHO'S WITH ME?!!?!

I liked the Buu arc's music just as much as the rest...

I'm sorry, but I just cannot take the show seriously with Faulconer's music. I used to love them equally, but nowadays I just can't watch it with the American BGM.

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:34 pm

obiwan23s wrote:I understand the Falconer score is near and dear to a lot of people, but those people have their DVD singles and Orange Bricks. Not to sound like an asshole, but maybe it's time John Doe Dub Fan gets a Dragon Ball release he has problems with. God knows it took FUNimation 10 years of shitting on Dragon Ball with their DVD releases to finally get it right once.

It's not that I have a problem with the Japanese BGM or anything (and don't really mind which bgm is with the English dub), but I want to bring up a point.

What about the educated dub fans that HAVE NOT bought a single Dragonball DVD because they were waiting for this release? People who didn't buy into the whole season set crapola and who couldn't afford $20 per 3-4 episodes a DVD. People who don't like widescreen, and people with low budgets but who are still dubbies have been left out just as much as anyone else. Take a step back and look at it from a perspective other than your own. Not every dub fan is an idiot who buys into the orange bricks, so honestly the point of "It's there if they want it/just go buy the bricks/it's already entirely out in one format or another" are just selfish points, and I'm kinda getting tired of seeing them everywhere.

It's not like dub fans don't want Dragonbox footage too. It may be correct that Joe Shmoe DBZ fan will buy the orange bricks and pay no mind to the widescreen and shitty mastering. But the fans who do, but have no desire for the Japanese music are still being pretty much left out, at least for those first two Seasons/Sagas. But even still, the majority of early Funimation DVD's are poorly encoded, and I'm sure people would enjoy having the awesome clarity of the Dragon Boxes.

I make this point because I know people like this. People who don't give two shits about anime, and some even hate it with a passion, but they view Dragonball Z as a separate entity from anime. And they're intelligent dubbies, who know that the season sets are garbage, and that there are Dragon Boxes out there. They also prefer the Faulconer score, opposed to the Japanese score.

Trust me, I know Funimation can't please everyone, but the fact remains that there are loads of people that will be looking forward to this release only to be disappointed (probably again) by the fact that the broadcast bgm is no where to be found (if that's the case). Some people will never be pleased, but I'm just saying that some people are trashing the dub maybe a little too hard.

If it were up to me, I'd have like 7 options for audio (I know that's an unrealistic hope, but it'd be nice). I'd have Japanese, Spanish, English broadcast 5.1, English broadcast stereo, English w/ Japanese bgm 5.1, and English w/ Japanese stereo.

Eddie · Post by **Eddie** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:40 pm

Has anyone tried using Twitter to ask Funi if they're having compression issues?

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:42 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Li'l Lemmy wrote:A recent update on FUNimation's Twitter page suggests that the Dragon Boxes will indeed feature one dub track only:

The Original Japanese music.

EDIT: Dammit, people beat me to it. BUT MINE HAS A LINK, WHAHAHA

~Da Lemmy
Man I sure hope so!
jjgp1112 wrote:TIME TO BE BORED TO TEARS BY THE BUU ARC!!! WHO'S WITH ME?!!?!
I liked the Buu arc's music just as much as the rest...

I'm sorry, but I just cannot take the show seriously with Faulconer's music. I used to love them equally, but nowadays I just can't watch it with the American BGM.

Most of the Buu saga music is boring and never fits the situation. Can't say the same thing for the Faulconer music or the Japanese score during the first half of the series.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:42 pm

Eddie wrote:Has anyone tried using Twitter to ask Funi if they're having compression issues?

I'm also curious if they would provide an answer detailing their plans for the dub track's episode previews.