What do you think would have been the best ending point?

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:40 pm

Kendamu wrote:
Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:Should have ended after the 21st Budokai. The series would have been short, fun, and amazing. It would have been an excellent adventure that evolved into a martial arts story, and one that ended before Goku was some unrivaled God that always came in to save the day. It was have ended on Goku losing, but also on the note that he was bound to be the best if he worked hard and trained to be even stronger.
When I'm like that about a story, I just try to forget that the part after where I think it should end exists. For example, I don't take Dragonball GT into account. Another example would be how I think Rocky III should've been the last Rocky movie. General stuff like that.

B-buh-but...Rocky Balboa was awesome!

Alas, I hope one day DragonBall will get it's Rocky Balboa...

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:41 pm

Amigo Ten wrote:
SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:I think the story should have ended at cell. I felt like there was a lot of closure. Vegeta, wasn't exactly nice but he except Earth as his home. Not only that but he came to terms with the Sons being stronger than him(without having that,"ok I give up mentality").

As for Gohan, you see a lot of growth. He went from being this whiny 4 year old to the hero of earth. There was that sort of passing the torch feeling. We spent all of Dragonball and Dragonball Z seeing Goku grow and now here stands his son the savior of earth. It was quiet an epic ending, except the Buu saga turned him weak and annoying.
Stuff like this always confuses me. I know everyone has their opinion, I'm just baffled at how people can look at Gohan during the Cell games and Gohan during the Buu saga and call the Buu saga version annoying, or weak. Gohan in the Buu saga was how he should have been in the Cell saga; willing to stand and fight whether he thought he could win or not, because it was better to try. To at least do something, anything.

That's why the Cell games piss me off. Gohan's just terrible. He gives up. He freakin' gives up. Cell says "I'm going to kill you and everyone you love and destroy the world", and Gohan just gives up. Until, of course, Goku has to step in to give him a pep talk. That's why I'd hate for that to be the ending. The basic message of the Cell saga is that everything turns out okay as long as Goku's there, and at the end he's gone.

But don't forget, Gohan was about to fight Cell before Vegeta stepped in and caused Gohan to get injured.

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:43 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:Should have ended after the 21st Budokai. The series would have been short, fun, and amazing. It would have been an excellent adventure that evolved into a martial arts story, and one that ended before Goku was some unrivaled God that always came in to save the day. It was have ended on Goku losing, but also on the note that he was bound to be the best if he worked hard and trained to be even stronger.
When I'm like that about a story, I just try to forget that the part after where I think it should end exists. For example, I don't take Dragonball GT into account. Another example would be how I think Rocky III should've been the last Rocky movie. General stuff like that.
B-buh-but...Rocky Balboa was awesome!

Alas, I hope one day DragonBall will get it's Rocky Balboa...

You mean Geezer Goku going up against Vegeta Jr.?

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:45 pm

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:
Kendamu wrote: When I'm like that about a story, I just try to forget that the part after where I think it should end exists. For example, I don't take Dragonball GT into account. Another example would be how I think Rocky III should've been the last Rocky movie. General stuff like that.
B-buh-but...Rocky Balboa was awesome!

Alas, I hope one day DragonBall will get it's Rocky Balboa...
You mean Geezer Goku going up against Vegeta Jr.?

Well, if you look at GT as the Rocky V of DB, I mean.

But alas...

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:48 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:But don't forget, Gohan was about to fight Cell before Vegeta stepped in and caused Gohan to get injured.

Exactly. He was only willing to fight when he had/thought he had the upper hand.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:12 pm

Optimus · Post by **Optimus** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:56 pm

I really liked the Buu saga, but parts seemed liked it was just going in circles. Looking back the Cell Games Saga would have been a nice place to end it at. Gohan should have ultimately been the hero.

DBZGokuSaiyan · Post by **DBZGokuSaiyan** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:02 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:The end of the Cell Games. That was an absolutely perfect ending and would have been even better if they ended the series at that note.

I totally agree. The Cell Games is probably my most favorite saga. It combined everything (that makes Dragon Ball Z so amazing), all in one package.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:04 pm

Goku killing Freeza on Namek, then dying in the explosion.

or Vegetto killing Buu.

Fuck the Cell Saga.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:05 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Fuck the Cell Saga.

But I thought you loved Super Saiyajin 2 Gohan!?

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:11 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Fuck the Cell Saga.
But I thought you loved Super Saiyajin 2 Gohan!?

Yeah, why the sudden change of heart, Rocket?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:53 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:Should have ended after the 21st Budokai. The series would have been short, fun, and amazing. It would have been an excellent adventure that evolved into a martial arts story, and one that ended before Goku was some unrivaled God that always came in to save the day. It was have ended on Goku losing, but also on the note that he was bound to be the best if he worked hard and trained to be even stronger.
When I'm like that about a story, I just try to forget that the part after where I think it should end exists. For example, I don't take Dragonball GT into account. Another example would be how I think Rocky III should've been the last Rocky movie. General stuff like that.
B-buh-but...Rocky Balboa was awesome!

Alas, I hope one day DragonBall will get it's Rocky Balboa...

Okay, I'll admit, I liked Rocky Balboa. But, at the very least, Rocky V needs to die.

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:53 am

Amigo Ten wrote:
That's why the Cell games piss me off. Gohan's just terrible. He gives up. He freakin' gives up. Cell says "I'm going to kill you and everyone you love and destroy the world", and Gohan just gives up.

What are you talking about, unless this is some filler thrown in from the anime, Gohan didn't give up. He started the fight unsure of himself then Cell forced him to go all out. When he finally transformed Gohan turned into a different person. He started toying with cell until cell got fed up and tried to blow up the planet. When Goku sacrificed himself Gohan learned his actions caused this and was heart broken. Then When cell came back Vegeta acted out of love(and stupidity) and cost Gohan his arm. Noticing the fear and panic coming from vegeta and everyone else Gohan starts to panic, then Goku steps in to help clear Gohan's mind and help him win against Cell.

This was the first time in all of Dragonball Goku wasn't the one to save the day. Sure he talk Gohan throught it but Gohan was the one with the power and the ability to defeat cell. It was a coming of age moment for Gohan.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:58 am

When Cell is charging his Kamehameha, he asks Gohan if he's going to fight back. If he's going to try to stop him. And Gohan says no. He does nothing. He just stands there and waits to get killed, but Goku encourages him to do something.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:01 am

Gohan being a pussy?

. . . wait, WTF? Aren't we having this exact same conversation in another thread? That's just how much of a pussy he really is.

~Da Lemmy

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:04 am

Amigo Ten wrote: That's why the Cell games piss me off. Gohan's just terrible. He gives up. He freakin' gives up. Cell says "I'm going to kill you and everyone you love and destroy the world", and Gohan just gives up. Until, of course, Goku has to step in to give him a pep talk. That's why I'd hate for that to be the ending. The basic message of the Cell saga is that everything turns out okay as long as Goku's there, and at the end he's gone.

I'd put that down to the pressure Goku puts on Gohan.

Gohan's only 9 or 10 or whatever during the Cell Games. And then suddenly Goku, who has always been everyones hero, who has almost encouraged people to develop a dependency on him, decides to have this "Who gives a fuck" attitude towards fighting Cell. Who cares, it's just a game, right? Fuck it, i give up. So naturally Gohan loses heart when he sees that not even Goku can beat Cell. Add to this the fact that Goku totally hypes up Gohans hidden powers, yet Gohan doesn't know how to use them (or that he even has hidden powers as strong as Goku thinks), so he thinks his father has overestimated him, and that he can't match Cell. In that situation, anyone might give up.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:07 am

THANK YOU, Kid Trunks.

I once again maintain that Gohan during the Cell Games was less of a pussy than Gohan during the Boo arc.

~Da Lemmy

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:10 am

Kendamu wrote:But, at the very least, Rocky V needs to die.

I agree with this. Rocky needs to die. Or at least Rocky's son does, in V and VI.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:28 am

Kid Trunks wrote:
Kendamu wrote:But, at the very least, Rocky V needs to die.
I agree with this. Rocky needs to die. Or at least Rocky's son does, in V and VI.

No, I'm just saying that Rocky V is like... the GT of Rocky.

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:28 am

Kid Trunks wrote:
Amigo Ten wrote: That's why the Cell games piss me off. Gohan's just terrible. He gives up. He freakin' gives up. Cell says "I'm going to kill you and everyone you love and destroy the world", and Gohan just gives up. Until, of course, Goku has to step in to give him a pep talk. That's why I'd hate for that to be the ending. The basic message of the Cell saga is that everything turns out okay as long as Goku's there, and at the end he's gone.
I'd put that down to the pressure Goku puts on Gohan.

Gohan's only 9 or 10 or whatever during the Cell Games. And then suddenly Goku, who has always been everyones hero, who has almost encouraged people to develop a dependency on him, decides to have this "Who gives a fuck" attitude towards fighting Cell. Who cares, it's just a game, right? Fuck it, i give up. So naturally Gohan loses heart when he sees that not even Goku can beat Cell. Add to this the fact that Goku totally hypes up Gohans hidden powers, yet Gohan doesn't know how to use them (or that he even has hidden powers as strong as Goku thinks), so he thinks his father has overestimated him, and that he can't match Cell. In that situation, anyone might give up.

No kidding, at the age of 4 he was thrown in the woods and told to fend for himself and fight a race of warriors. At like 7 he fought the most feared Ruler in the Galaxy(Freeza) and 11 he was thrown into a fight with cell. He was the strongest person there and was about to lose everyone and everything he ever loved. This poor kid didn't know what to do, Goku(like any father) stepped in and gave him guidance and the courage to finally finish cell. He taught Gohan to believe in himself.

Kanzenshuu

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