What do you think would have been the best ending point?

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:33 am

Kendamu wrote:
Kid Trunks wrote:
Kendamu wrote:But, at the very least, Rocky V needs to die.
I agree with this. Rocky needs to die. Or at least Rocky's son does, in V and VI.
No, I'm just saying that Rocky V is like... the GT of Rocky.

Oooh...I've thought that myself. And I put Mad Max 3 into that category as well. And some others I can't think of.

TheAmericanDream · Post by **TheAmericanDream** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:22 am

JulieYBM wrote:
Saiyavenger2941 wrote:
JulieYBM wrote: B-buh-but...Rocky Balboa was awesome!

Alas, I hope one day DragonBall will get it's Rocky Balboa...
You mean Geezer Goku going up against Vegeta Jr.?
Well, if you look at GT as the Rocky V of DB, I mean.

But alas...

If only Goku got a hardcore street fight with...Uub?? hahhaha. That'd rock. Dragonball Balboa..

Rocky V dragonball.... "You knocked kuririn down Uub, why don't you try knocking me down? MY RINGS OUTSIDE"- Goku Balboa in Dragonball V *Shudder*

hmm I don't know what that'd be honestly, a redo of GT or a series after GT (not thinking about that manga AF i need to read). there really is no more to tell with that story. I think that new jump special was like the definitive look back slash cap on the series, it reminds you how much you love dragonball, lets you relive it a bit, and ends fun and happy.

Amigo Ten is right about it ending after Goku beating Piccolo Jr. where the Dragonball Anime ends. its perfect, you can't say its not, its just the Z era has so many parts that are worth telling. As far as Z is concerned I'd say Cell was a good ending. It ties up good arcs and Gohan is a bit manlier, but Freeza/Boo arc Gohan does try more. To me Cell arc Gohan reminds me of wimpy cry baby Gohan vs Nappa. He does man up..it just took a lot of pushing, but strong as he is after Cell, I think Gohan would be okay. I think like a chapter or two 7 years later would be cool. the Boo era is just TOO long, way TOO long. It's a fun time line, but its just too long, I wish Gohan got to end it as the main character really, even if he's weak, not all main characters are the strongest in the series at all times. But no use crying over spilled milk, I think Original Dragonball has a great ending, and so does the Cell arc to an extent you can simply stop watching there. Those arcs have very absolute endings to me, so its like your choice to continue or not. The Boo ending is crap to me, crap, I don't like Uub. I mean its a cute ending but...Uub is a dumb idea to me altogether and Goku is a horrible family man. It's just a very off putting ending to me, GT has a better ending then Z in a lot of ways to me.

So in the end my vote is 23rd and Cell arc.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:59 am

The only part I could do without would be the "ten years later" stuff at the very end. Goku (kidnapping?) Uub should not have happened that way. @_@
(Son Goku's mid-life crisis says hello.)

Not to say that I don't mind him taking on Uub as a pupil, but I'd prefer it to be done the way Mr. Toriyama does it in NMZ, where Uub's training at the Son home the way Goku trained at Kamesennin's home.

Even the re-drawn ending for the kanzenban doesn't really suit me. If you're going to show Vegeta's upset at what Goku's done, have Vegeta tackle Goku to the ground and stop him from leaving everyone in the first place. TT_TT

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:31 am

Three possible points:

- 23rd TenkaIchi Budokai

- Freeza fight

- Cell Game

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:11 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:No kidding, at the age of 4 he was thrown in the woods and told to fend for himself and fight a race of warriors. At like 7 he fought the most feared Ruler in the Galaxy(Freeza) and 11 he was thrown into a fight with cell. He was the strongest person there and was about to lose everyone and everything he ever loved. This poor kid didn't know what to do, Goku(like any father) stepped in and gave him guidance and the courage to finally finish cell. He taught Gohan to believe in himself.

But he did those things. He was left to fend for himself and he managed it. At 4 he learned how to survive in the wilderness. In his first fight he was scared, but he soon manned up. At 5 he was telling Piccolo to run while he held off Nappa for God's sake! He went back to help his dad even though the odds were he wouldn't be able to do anything.

He wanted to go to Namek, he even put Chichi in her place when she disagreed. On Namek he fought as confidently as anyone in the series ever has, even when faced Reaocom (which by the way I was slightly disappointed with. A pissed off Gohan should have wrecked Reacoom I think, but it never happened). And he faced off against Freeza too. Twice (admittedly while enraged, but he still at least tried to stand his ground when he wasn't).

Personally, I don't have a problem with the Gohan's-hidden-potential plot having a big send off, but I don't think it needed. In the Saiyan saga it was just there for the surprise value and to make him useful. Same for the Freeza saga, with the added benefit of putting him in the race to achieve Super Saiyan status alongside Vegeta and Goku. He gets his hidden unlocked by Guru as well. Sure he never exactly learns to control it, but whatever.

Basically from his introduction through to end of the Freeza saga, Gohan's character arc is about maturing and becoming able and willing to fight if he has to. But at the Cell games it's just all undone. I can buy him being reluctant to fight Cell because he's not sure what his rage will lead to. I don't like it one bit, but I can understand it.

But I can't get over him giving up. He had that moment already, when fighting Vegeta. He was injured and beaten and bloody, and he thought he couldn't go on, but Goku convinced him he had to, for the sake of his friends and family and the Earth. And he did. He got up to fight Vegeta some more, and after that, all through Namek, he didn't need to be told. Now, character retreads are by no means unique to Gohan, it's just his happened at the worst possible time. And then in the Buu saga he's back to how he was in the Freeza saga, how he should have been all along. Perhaps not strong enough to save the world, but damned if he won't at least try.

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:32 pm

well that can all be explained. He was put in a life or death situation went all out and still didn't know what to do. In the cell saga, he was everyones last hope, there was no one else. In the Saiyan arc he had Goku and Piccolo to protect him. In the Freeza arc, he had the both of them plus Krillin and Vegeta giving him his motivation.

However with cell that was it,he was on his own. No one was stronger than he was. Goku put so much confidence and when Cell wouldn't die Gohan had a second of hopelessness. Like "I'm suppose to be the hero but I can't do anything"(and I'm sure all those last fights where he gets beat up, got to his head too...you know starts feeling like a failure) but then Goku just rejuvenates his sons confidence.

In the buu saga, he becomes like everyone else, if you're not Goku you're not good enough. He was supposed to be the stongest and he gets out classes by everyone. He finally gets a revamp and bam....knocked aside for the sake of Goku being the hero.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:36 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:In the Saiyan arc he had Goku and Piccolo to protect him.

Piccolo was dead and Goku was completely crippled.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:37 pm

I didn't want DBZ to end at all

Wish they'd made a new series following up on DBZ's end, instead of that stupid Kai version.

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:39 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:In the buu saga, he becomes like everyone else, if you're not Goku you're not good enough.

That is the Freeza saga actually.

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:51 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:
SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:In the buu saga, he becomes like everyone else, if you're not Goku you're not good enough.
That is the Freeza saga actually.

Not really, Thought Freeza did have the upper hand everyone was able to hold their own until Goku showed up, and it wasn't until then did people start dying.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:02 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:well that can all be explained. He was put in a life or death situation went all out and still didn't know what to do. In the cell saga, he was everyones last hope, there was no one else. In the Saiyan arc he had Goku and Piccolo to protect him. In the Freeza arc, he had the both of them plus Krillin and Vegeta giving him his motivation.

However with cell that was it,he was on his own. No one was stronger than he was. Goku put so much confidence and when Cell wouldn't die Gohan had a second of hopelessness. Like "I'm suppose to be the hero but I can't do anything"(and I'm sure all those last fights where he gets beat up, got to his head too...you know starts feeling like a failure) but then Goku just rejuvenates his sons confidence.

In the buu saga, he becomes like everyone else, if you're not Goku you're not good enough. He was supposed to be the stongest and he gets out classes by everyone. He finally gets a revamp and bam....knocked aside for the sake of Goku being the hero.

Well yeah, that's my point. Alone, at crisis point, when he was the only one who could do anything, he bailed. Once again it's Goku who steps in to make the difference. It's not a good ending for Gohan or for the series.

Travis Touchdown · Post by **Travis Touchdown** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:33 pm

The Cell Saga for me. Seemed like a great closure point. Goku fights the Red Ribbon Army all over again with those androids. Made it seem like the series went full circle. And then his son takes over for him, which is what the series felt like it was leading up to. Vegeta vows to never fight again, Trunks heals his version of the future. Goku chooses to remain dead because he attracts the bad guys. Everything was tied up so nicely.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:13 pm

Travis Touchdown wrote:The Cell Saga for me. Seemed like a great closure point. Goku fights the Red Ribbon Army all over again with those androids. Made it seem like the series went full circle. And then his son takes over for him, which is what the series felt like it was leading up to. Vegeta vows to never fight again, Trunks heals his version of the future. Goku chooses to remain dead because he attracts the bad guys. Everything was tied up so nicely.

All those problems were created by continuing past Freeza.

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:16 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:
SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:In the buu saga, he becomes like everyone else, if you're not Goku you're not good enough.
That is the Freeza saga actually.
Not really, Thought Freeza did have the upper hand everyone was able to hold their own until Goku showed up, and it wasn't until then did people start dying.

In the Majin Buu saga Goku didn't fight until the end. Everybody hold their own against M. Buu- Gotenks, Gohan, etc.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:59 pm

If by "holding their own" you mean "got lucky," then I agree.

Otherwise, I mean, c'mon. Trunks and Goten fuse into Super Miracle Dumbass and fuck around until they become completely drained of power, and like against Cell seven years prior Gohan fails to use his overwhelming Bullshit Powerup to defeat Boo quickly and make an end of it.

The only one who did anything worthwhile in that saga was Vegetto, and the only reason he failed was an inadvertent one that wasn't his fault.

~Da Lemmy

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:19 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:The only one who did anything worthwhile in that saga was Vegetto, and the only reason he failed was an inadvertent one that wasn't his fault.

Actually, that was more of a short term Xanatos Gambit.

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:27 pm

I would like to say a good ending point would have been the Cell Saga but then I remembered that Goku died in the end and I pretty much prefer a "Non-Goku-Death" ending. Although I see that a lot a people want Goku dead surprisingly.

The best ending point would have been, and of course I think this goes without saying, the Pilaf Saga. When I read it the manga for the first time it just felt like a proper ending to really fun adventure.

But I believe the best ending point would be any saga that didn't have Goku die, abandon his family for several years, or disappears completely only to show up 100 year later as some sort of Dragon Ball, spirit, god, protector bullshit thing.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:34 pm

Scarz wrote:I would like to say a good ending point would have been the Cell Saga but then I remembered that Goku died in the end and I pretty much prefer a "Non-Goku-Death" ending. Although I see that a lot a people want Goku dead surprisingly.

Cuz he'z da troo villain of da sho not anyone else hes horrible!!!!111!!

*Ahem*
Am I the only one who actually thinks the Buu arcs ending was sufficient?

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:38 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Scarz wrote:I would like to say a good ending point would have been the Cell Saga but then I remembered that Goku died in the end and I pretty much prefer a "Non-Goku-Death" ending. Although I see that a lot a people want Goku dead surprisingly.
Cuz he'z da troo villain of da sho not anyone else hes horrible!!!!111!!

*Ahem*
Am I the only one who actually thinks the Buu arcs ending was sufficient?

No. It sorta works for me, but I definitely would've changed a few things.

-Gohan, NOT GOKU, being the final hero.

-Gohan and Videl wedding saga, please. If Chichi and Goku got one, why can't they?

-No Uub. For god's sake, NO UUB!

CrayZ · Post by **CrayZ** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:23 pm

Amigo Ten wrote:
SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:well that can all be explained. He was put in a life or death situation went all out and still didn't know what to do. In the cell saga, he was everyones last hope, there was no one else. In the Saiyan arc he had Goku and Piccolo to protect him. In the Freeza arc, he had the both of them plus Krillin and Vegeta giving him his motivation.

However with cell that was it,he was on his own. No one was stronger than he was. Goku put so much confidence and when Cell wouldn't die Gohan had a second of hopelessness. Like "I'm suppose to be the hero but I can't do anything"(and I'm sure all those last fights where he gets beat up, got to his head too...you know starts feeling like a failure) but then Goku just rejuvenates his sons confidence.

In the buu saga, he becomes like everyone else, if you're not Goku you're not good enough. He was supposed to be the stongest and he gets out classes by everyone. He finally gets a revamp and bam....knocked aside for the sake of Goku being the hero.
Well yeah, that's my point. Alone, at crisis point, when he was the only one who could do anything, he bailed. Once again it's Goku who steps in to make the difference. It's not a good ending for Gohan or for the series.

Even Goku needed help in DB...keep in mind Gohan was a kid just like Goku was when he need help.