Goku's Skin Colour

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:09 pm

Pain wrote:Is there really a problem with Son being "Practically Black"? The color change was obviously done for a reason. Bardock's skin was somewhat dark, as well. Maybe it's genetic. Maybe his mom was a dark-skinned Saiya-Jin?

What Bardock special were you watching? Bardock was white as hell. We never even see a dark skinned saiyajin in the entire run of the show leading me to believe they don't exist.

Goku's skin got darker in GT, and only in GT because they wanted to "update" everyone's image even if it meant Goku becoming tan and Vegeta having a mustache, both these things are ridiculous but happened anyway.

I don't see his skin being dark at all in that Buu saga pic

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:21 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Pain wrote:Is there really a problem with Son being "Practically Black"? The color change was obviously done for a reason. Bardock's skin was somewhat dark, as well. Maybe it's genetic. Maybe his mom was a dark-skinned Saiya-Jin?
What Bardock special were you watching? Bardock was white as hell. We never even see a dark skinned saiyajin in the entire run of the show leading me to believe they don't exist.

He`s not that pale...

VS

Don`t know if this one is official but it clearly shows the difference:

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:38 pm

Point taken, I wouldn't call that "practically black" though.

I wouldn't even call the Goku in the GT special "practically black" either to be honest.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:58 pm

rereboy wrote:
Don`t know if this one is official but it clearly shows the difference:

If I recalled right, that image is from one of the Daizenshuu books.

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:53 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:If I recalled right, that image is from one of the Daizenshuu books.

Daizenshuu 6 to be exact. Here's a better scan, if you want to grab it.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:11 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:Point taken, I wouldn't call that "practically black" though.

I wouldn't even call the Goku in the GT special "practically black" either to be honest.

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But once again I say, I didn't see any problem with Son being dark-skinned. He looked "cool" to a certain degree. And what makes you so sure that dark-skinned Saiya-Jin don't exist, at all?

B · Post by B » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:14 pm

Well, Bardock is definately tanned in every incarnation you find him in. Games, that scan, or his special.

And Goku doesn't look bad in GT, that stupid picture has his and Goku Jr.'s eyes in the wrong area of the cornea... the corner.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:21 pm

B wrote:And Goku doesn't look bad in GT, that stupid picture has his and Goku Jr.'s eyes in the wrong area of the cornea... the corner.

Son Goku Sr. and Jr. look rather shiny. The animation looks really strange. Anyone know where it's from? Is that even an official image?

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:22 pm

I think it boils down to artistic choices. Perhaps American cartoons aren't the best comparison, but look at Superman's animated series from the '90s. He has a definite tan due to the style of shading they used - yet, gone in Justice League. A similar thing happened to Batman, but not to quite the extent as Superman. Both in the same canon, mind you. So, yeah... I personally don't think this is really all that discussion-worthy, but that may just be me.

Pardon if the images are big, but I didn't think so. It's a shame this forum has no spoiler tags.

PS - Don't even get me started on Luthor.

Thanos · Post by **Thanos** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:26 pm

Pain wrote:But once again I say, I didn't see any problem with Son being dark-skinned. He looked "cool" to a certain degree. And what makes you so sure that dark-skinned Saiya-Jin don't exist, at all?

I never said there was anything wrong with it.

I'm just wondering why it is so. Maybe if he had always been dark-skinned, but for him to suddenly start getting dark by the end of DBZ, seems strange.

Now, on the subject of dark-skinned Saiyajin...

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:31 pm

bkev wrote:I think it boils down to artistic choices. Perhaps American cartoons aren't the best comparison, but look at Superman's animated series from the '90s. He has a definite tan due to the style of shading they used - yet, gone in Justice League. A similar thing happened to Batman, but not to quite the extent as Superman. Both in the same canon, mind you. So, yeah... I personally don't think this is really all that discussion-worthy, but that may just be me.

Pardon if the images are big, but I didn't think so. It's a shame this forum has no spoiler tags.

PS - Don't even get me started on Luthor.

But the thing that gets me is this: Now I can see how this can be either a mistake or just an artistic style change, but that skin-tone is used for every promotion which features GT Goku. Games, posters, action figures, the 10th Anniversary Special. All of which keep GT Son Goku with this same skin-tone. This leads me to believe that there was a reason behind this color change.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:35 pm

Pain wrote:

He looked "cool" to a certain degree. And what makes you so sure that dark-skinned Saiya-Jin don't exist, at all?

Not in my book skippy, and I say that because we never see any black saiyajins...ever. Groups of Saiyajins were shown many times in flashbacks and I never saw a black one. You'd think we'd at least see one if they existed.

(Then again maybe it's better we didn't, he'd probably look like a sambo thanks to Japan and it's awesome cultural sensitivity/sarcasm)

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:42 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Pain wrote:

He looked "cool" to a certain degree. And what makes you so sure that dark-skinned Saiya-Jin don't exist, at all?
Not in my book skippy, and I say that because we never see any black saiyajins...ever. Groups of Saiyajins were shown many times in flashbacks and I never saw a black one. You'd think we'd at least see one if they existed.

(Then again maybe it's better we didn't, he'd probably look like a sambo thanks to Japan and it's awesome cultural sensitivity/sarcasm)

Well Paragus looked Mexican and Tulluce was grey, so what makes you think that the Saiya-Jin are only limited to one color? Do they even have race?

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:44 pm

Pain wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:
Pain wrote:

He looked "cool" to a certain degree. And what makes you so sure that dark-skinned Saiya-Jin don't exist, at all?
Not in my book skippy, and I say that because we never see any black saiyajins...ever. Groups of Saiyajins were shown many times in flashbacks and I never saw a black one. You'd think we'd at least see one if they existed.

(Then again maybe it's better we didn't, he'd probably look like a sambo thanks to Japan and it's awesome cultural sensitivity/sarcasm)
Well Paragus looked Mexican and Tulluce was grey, so what makes you think that the Saiya-Jin are only limited to one color? Do they even have race?

Yeah their race is saiyajin.

Paragus looked tan, not Mexican. I'll give you saiyajins can tan how about that?

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:47 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Pain wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote: Not in my book skippy, and I say that because we never see any black saiyajins...ever. Groups of Saiyajins were shown many times in flashbacks and I never saw a black one. You'd think we'd at least see one if they existed.

(Then again maybe it's better we didn't, he'd probably look like a sambo thanks to Japan and it's awesome cultural sensitivity/sarcasm)
Well Paragus looked Mexican and Tulluce was grey, so what makes you think that the Saiya-Jin are only limited to one color? Do they even have race?
Yeah their race is saiyajin.

Paragus looked tan, not Mexican. I'll give you saiyajins can tan how about that?

I'm not at ease with it, yet I will agree for now. This isn't over.....

Smooth Criminal · Post by **Smooth Criminal** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:07 pm

Goku just wanted everyone to see how jacked and tan he is.

RoarkVegeta · Post by **RoarkVegeta** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:08 pm

He's totally white in Dragonball. Then he got a tan.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:22 pm

Smooth Criminal wrote:Goku just wanted everyone to see how jacked and tan he is.

He just wanted to show how hot he was to females, like Chi-Chi said in the begining of DBGT. Plus a child.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:43 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
Smooth Criminal wrote:Goku just wanted everyone to see how jacked and tan he is.
He just wanted to show how hot he was to females, like Chi-Chi said in the begining of DBGT. Plus a child.

You aren't who you claim to be, are you?

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:43 pm

Its only in GT that we start to really see a change in skin tone, so maybe its just based on how they colored him. I mean the art style was a very different with GT.The tan theory was fun so lets just go with that and cut GT some slack this time.