Which is better for introducing people: Kai or the Original?

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:59 am

dragonfist wrote:You count Goku's loss with Yamcha while in Oozaru? That wasn't even a fight.

Yes because Yamcha beat him by cutting his tail off.

Post by **Herms** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:30 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:He was just a wild barbaric monkey on rampage. That doesn't really count as a fight. It was just a way to get out of Pilaf's castle.

I don't see how it doesn't count as a fight. Oozaru Goku was attacking them, and Yamcha and Puar stopped him by cutting off his tail.

dragonfist · Post by **dragonfist** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:25 pm

You guys have a very wierd battle chronicles. Goku wasn't even himself when that happens and certaintly it wasn't a contest to see who was the strongest. But to each his own I guess.

Edit: On myprevious post sorry for the redundancy, apparently the poster before me and I took around the same time to respond.

B · Post by B » Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:32 pm

dragonfist wrote:You guys have a very wierd battle chronicles. Goku wasn't even himself when that happens and certaintly it wasn't a contest to see who was the strongest. But to each his own I guess.

Vegeta wasn't himself when a parasite infected him. So Baby VS Goku is not a fight? Or if you want "canon" examples, there are numerous fights that weren't competitive, but for survival. Freeza VS Piccolo, General Blue VS Goku, Yamcha VS Tambourine... the list goes on.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:33 pm

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:39 pm

Raki wrote:
dragonfist wrote:You count Goku's loss with Yamcha while in Oozaru? That wasn't even a fight.
Yes because Yamcha beat him by cutting his tail off.

I thik that win should go to Puerh.

AndoKomando · Post by **AndoKomando** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:26 pm

Well, I would do DB first, but I might also do Z first because that is what I was introduced to and that is what I will (probably use to?) introduce to people. Kai is good but it is not the exact same as Z was.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:31 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:All in all the point being, original Dragon Ball is pretty damned kind to the humans in their portrayals as worthy combatants, and show then as anything but useless.

But they don't go Super Saiyan and actually die, so they don't count.

AndoKomando wrote:Well, I would do DB first, but I might also do Z first because that is what I was introduced to and that is what I will (probably use to?) introduce to people. Kai is good but it is not the exact same as Z was.

So you would deliberately confuse people? Starting with Dragonball is the only thing that makes real sense.

AndoKomando · Post by **AndoKomando** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:44 pm

Raki wrote:So you would deliberately confuse people? Starting with Dragonball is the only thing that makes real sense.

How would I confuse people? I said I would do DB first and I meant Z first as in show that before I showed Kai.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:53 pm

AndoKomando wrote:How would I confuse people? I said I would do DB first and I meant Z first as in show that before I showed Kai.

Oh; my mistake. I misread it. However, if you show Z then Kai really isn't necessary.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:44 pm

B wrote:Vegeta wasn't himself when a parasite infected him. So Baby VS Goku is not a fight?

It is, but it's Baby vs Goku, not Vegeta vs Goku.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:45 pm

I have never seen so much red in all my days here at DaizenshuuEX!

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:57 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:I have never seen so much red in all my days here at DaizenshuuEX!

I think there's some kind of grammar flu going around. Dr. Mike's on the case, though.

dragonfist · Post by **dragonfist** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:20 pm

B wrote:
dragonfist wrote:You guys have a very wierd battle chronicles. Goku wasn't even himself when that happens and certaintly it wasn't a contest to see who was the strongest. But to each his own I guess.
Vegeta wasn't himself when a parasite infected him. So Baby VS Goku is not a fight? Or if you want "canon" examples, there are numerous fights that weren't competitive, but for survival. Freeza VS Piccolo, General Blue VS Goku, Yamcha VS Tambourine... the list goes on.

Whatever, you guys a counting a plot device Toriyama pull off to simply get Yamcha and the others out of a tight spot. That was no fight AT ALL. Unline you're other examples.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:44 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:All in all the point being, original Dragon Ball is pretty damned kind to the humans in their portrayals as worthy combatants, and show then as anything but useless.

I just said this in another thread, but it seems relevant to your post. If you take out the sci-fi shift and Raditz's arrival (and Goku's death) but still put the humans under Kami's training... they would have emerged MUCH stronger than Goku and Piccolo were at the time. And those two had been actively training up to that point. Not only that, but Kuririn with his hidden potential drawn out was nearly as strong as Vegeta was on Earth. Also, he was stronger than Goku without factoring Kaio-ken. He had the misfortune of having to immediately go up against a quirky miniboss squad with 2-3 times as much power each (aside from the Cpt., who was even stronger, and Gurd, who was just lame). So we really don't get to put that in perspective. But if he had a time machine and jumped back like a month, he would have wrecked Nappa and put up a good fight against Vegeta. If he could have gone back just over a year, he would have destroyed Raditz with the air pressure from a punch. Hardly *useless*- it's just that the other characters got to abuse racial modifiers to improve at ridiculous rates.