What is your canon policy? Do you have one?

johnboy1 · Post by **johnboy1** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:43 pm

The title really says it all. What do you think represents "true" Dragon Ball? What is your opinion on filler, GT, the movies, the TV specials, the original illustrated stories, the guidebooks, and all the other extraneous crap we seem to love so much? Do you have a canon policy at all? If not, then how do you debate, or do you?

Me? My canon consists of the manga in its Kanzenban form and the Burdock TV special. The latter is included due to its events being explicitly referenced in the manga after its production (meaning the TV special existed, then was referenced in the manga, not the other way around). This is, in my opinion, true, unadulterated Dragon Ball, and is the ultimate word in any debate.

A-dono · Post by **A-dono** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:08 pm

I consider the original manga and anything Toriyama clearly and explicitly states to be the primary canon. Anime filler is the source of a great deal of Dragonball's most egregious plot holes so I tend to dismiss it as extraneous, even the stuff that Toriyama may or may not have had a hand in.

I don't think all filler is bad, but 85% of it is an eyesore to me.

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:18 pm

A-dono wrote:I consider the original manga and anything Toriyama clearly and explicitly states to be the primary canon. Anime filler is the source of a great deal of Dragonball's most egregious plot holes so I tend to dismiss it as extraneous, even the stuff that Toriyama may or may not have had a hand in.

I don't think all filler is bad, but 85% of it is an eyesore to me.

That's pretty much what I consider canon (even though Toriyama probably doesn't give a rat's ass) I also consider the Bardock special and the Jump Special to be canon

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:20 pm

To me, if it's in the manga, it definatley canon.
If it's in the anime, and it doesn't contradict the manga, then it's good in my book!
If it even slightly contradicts the manga, then it's absolutely not canon.
So basicly, it's manga + whatever else fits.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:24 pm

The manga + non-contradictory information released / endorsed by the same entities that wrote / published the manga (which means I would exclude anime-related stuff, but include that new tidbit about the Kaiô's origins, for example).

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:27 pm

Manga + Toriyama-endorsed Databooks = Undisputed Canon

Anime filler that does NOT contradict the Manga = Fair to be considered canon

Everything else, including all of GT = Not Canon in the slightest.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:33 pm

Pretty much just the manga and whatever random tidbits Toriyama comes out with (and even some of those I don't really bother with).

yunzabit · Post by **yunzabit** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:35 pm

My canon? That's all of the Dragonball manga until the end of the Freeza arc and the Bardock special.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:36 pm

The manga alone. The Daizenshuu and anything Toriyama has said are on the same level as the anime, i.e. not canon at all.

Remix · Post by **Remix** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:54 pm

Well, my thing is pretty simple.

If it ain't in the manga or Trunks/Bardock specials, it ain't canon. That and the Daizenshuu. Everything else is filler.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:57 pm

Remix wrote:Well, my thing is pretty simple.

If it ain't in the manga or Trunks/Bardock specials, it ain't canon. That and the Daizenshuu. Everything else is filler.

But... The manga and the Trunks special conflict...

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:01 pm

The manga itself is my "primary canon."

Everything else, like the anime, movies, guidebooks, and so on, fall into one big general "secondary canon."

The Bardock special is somewhere in-between.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:17 pm

The manga
TV Specials
Jump Special

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:40 pm

Rocketman wrote:The manga alone. The Daizenshuu and anything Toriyama has said are on the same level as the anime, i.e. not canon at all.

What about the Barcock special?

Oolong215 · Post by **Oolong215** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:44 pm

The manga, Burdock special and info from the super Exciting Guides are the only things I consider canon.

Remix · Post by **Remix** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:49 pm

Amigo Ten wrote:
Remix wrote:Well, my thing is pretty simple.

If it ain't in the manga or Trunks/Bardock specials, it ain't canon. That and the Daizenshuu. Everything else is filler.
But... The manga and the Trunks special conflict...

Do they? Huh. You're gonna have to remind me how they're at odds. I honestly can't remember.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:51 pm

Remix wrote:Do they? Huh. You're gonna have to remind me how they're at odds. I honestly can't remember.

There's only one major difference. In the anime special, Trunks first goes Super Saiyan after Gohan is killed. In the "Trunks Story" special chapter of the manga, Trunks is already a Super Saiyan at the beginning of the story.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:52 pm

Remix wrote:
Amigo Ten wrote:
Remix wrote:Well, my thing is pretty simple.

If it ain't in the manga or Trunks/Bardock specials, it ain't canon. That and the Daizenshuu. Everything else is filler.
But... The manga and the Trunks special conflict...
Do they? Huh. You're gonna have to remind me how they're at odds. I honestly can't remember.

Trunks is shown as a Super Saiyan before Gohan dies in the manga, whereas in the special he achieves it for the first time up discovering Gohan's body.

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:43 am

Rocketman wrote:The manga alone. The Daizenshuu and anything Toriyama has said are on the same level as the anime, i.e. not canon at all.

Why are the Daizenshuu and guidebooks from Toriyama not canon?

Thanos · Post by **Thanos** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:44 am

The only thing I don't consider canon are the some of the movies, only because they're impossible to ignore and impossible to just give a pass as fitting with the story.

Like with the Janenba movie... Vegeta is dead? What!? You're telling me Boo was taking a break while that shit went down?

Although, I'm unhappy with some portions of the filler. For instance, without the filler, there's a chance Ginew would still be alive.

Maybe King Cold too, because I had this fantasy about him escaping and getting healed, like Freeza and Coola did. Those two were much worse off than King Cold, yet he dies... bullshit!