Dragon Ball Chapter Book (viz) Dissection! (I'm sorry)

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Dragon Ball Chapter Book (viz) Dissection! (I'm sorry)

Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:33 pm

I didn't plan on getting this book but... here we are :?.

So right off the bat you know this is a pretty stupid idea, just writing out scenes from the manga as if it were a story book or something. I really don't know which release is more pointless, these books or the ani-manga. Actually, some people like the ani-manga cause it's like a colored manga so I'm gonna say this release is probley more pointless.

You know, the sad thing about this release is that the cover art is actually good. They should have had these as the viz big covers instead of just spinning a wheel of DragonBall art.

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So before the story begins there is a "Who's Who" page which will introduce all the characters that will appear in this book...

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It's a little odd no? This is a chapter book for kids so I would assume they'd wanna dumb it down a bit. Why would they even choose to include the actual names for the DragonBalls? And yes, they do call them by the actual names in the book! Another odd thing is Master Roshi is also known as Turtle Guy? But they don't say Turtle Guy in the story anywhere, so why even say it? Oh well, mistake?

As expected, a few changes have been made. Bulma having to pee was changed to her feeling sick from the motorcycle jump, the dirty butt joke is now changed to a kiss. (There are a few more but, you get the idea)...

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Reading this book seemed tedious, even for a kids book. Look at this, these are the first few pages of the book. In this log chopping scene, we all know how this plays out but reading it is really annoying. We all see the images from the manga or the anime in our heads while reading this, so why not just read the manga! Blarg! It's like if someone went to a museum and wrote descriptions of what each painting looked like and made it into a book. It's quite annoying.

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And lastly, in the back of the book there is an "About...." page...

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That's about it. It's pretty much what we all expected.

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Post by johnboy1 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:49 pm

Am I the only one who wished they'd have collected the printed short stories about Piccolo, Vegeta, and Trunks instead of this pointless crap?
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Post by Herms » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:12 pm

I noticed that they went with "Master Roshi" rather than "Muten Roshi" like in the Viz manga. I guess that makes sense if they're aiming this for a younger audience, but as Tanooki said it's really bizarre for them to then stick to the Chinese(ish) names for the DragonBalls rather than go with "4-star ball" and such.

They could have phrased that paragraph explaining the Monkey King's powers a little better. I'd assume they meant to say that he could turn his hairs into different animals and objects, just as he could transform himself, but they make it sounds like he could simply turn his hair into more hair.
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Post by Amigo Ten » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:24 pm

Dumbing down Dragonball? Who'd have thought it was possible?! :lol:

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Post by VenomSymbiote » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:32 pm

You know, maybe it's 'cause I'm easily impressed, but I would totally buy this. It looks fun to read, if only for a little bit.

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Post by SHINOBI-03 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:43 pm

You don't have to be sorry, Tanooki...
Herms wrote:I noticed that they went with "Master Roshi" rather than "Muten Roshi" like in the Viz manga. I guess that makes sense if they're aiming this for a younger audience, but as Tanooki said it's really bizarre for them to then stick to the Chinese(ish) names for the DragonBalls rather than go with "4-star ball" and such.
Viz started to use dub names and terms for mangas that have an American dubbed version of the anime, like Ultimate Muscle, Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, One Piece and Bobobobo-Bo-bobo. Kinda sucks...!!
Herms wrote:They could have phrased that paragraph explaining the Monkey King's powers a little better. I'd assume they meant to say that he could turn his hairs into different animals and objects, just as he could transform himself, but they make it sounds like he could simply turn his hair into more hair.
Sun Wukong powers are as following:
a JTTW fansite wrote:
Magical Powers

1- 72 Transformation (72 Bian)

Allows him to transform himself into anything and anyone. Wu Kong uses it a lot, in all imaginable ways!

Variation 1

He can change all of his hairs into any object, person or animal. After use, he can change them back to hairs.

Variation 2: Body Outside of Body Spell (Shen Wai Shen Fa)

He can amass an army in a few seconds by changing tufts of his hair into monkeys who are capable of fighting.

Variation 3

Allows him to transform one object into another object by chanting a spell and spitting blood on the object. In the case of changing an object into people, he completes the illusion by giving the fakes very simple abilities of speech and movement.

Variation 4

He can multiply his head and hands so that he has three heads and six arms. He also multiplies his magic rod so that he can use three rods at the same time. This is very useful in fighting off crowds of enemies.

Variation 5

He can transform a hair into a fake Wu Kong, freeing his true self to go elsewhere.

Variation 6

He can change his single magic rod into thousands of them which can be used for attacking multiple enemies.

2- Somersault Cloud (Jin Dou Yun)

Allows him to fly over a distance of 108000 li in one somersault.

Note: Thanks to a reader (J.N.) who commented, we can now ascertain that one li roughly equals 0.5 km.

Japanese pronounciation:

Jin Dou Yun - Kintouun


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For how long a li really is in this context, I can't find an exact
answer either. How long a li is changed through time in the
Chinese history. Today, one li is exactly 0.5km. And according
to http://economy.guoxue.com/article.php/5564 (in Chinese),
it was either 0.8316 / 2 = 0.4158km or 1.152/2 = 0.576km,
or something not far away from the two in the history. So I guess
one li is probably less than one km in this context and all other
contexts.



Therefore, 108000 li roughly equals 54000km. ^o^ Thanks, J.N.!


3- Body Freezing Spell

I can't believe I forgot this. =_= This is one of Wu Kong's most important powers, the body freezing spell. With a single syllable and a point of his finger, he can magically freeze anyone into immobility. I've never seen him use this on his enemies though, you know, the big bad demon bosses and all that, but he does use it frequently on the minor demons, so I surmise that this spell is only effective on people with weak magical powers.


4- Water Avoidance Charm (Bi Shui Jue)

Allows him to survive in deep waters. A major drawback is that he can't fight while using this charm.


5- Fire Avoidance Charm (Bi Huo Jue)

Allows him to go through fire unharmed. This charm doesn't have the Water Avoidance Charm's drawback.


6- Wind

He can induce very strong winds and windstorms.


7- Lock-Breaking Spell (Jie Suo Fa)

With a point from his finger or magic rod, all locks will open automatically.


8- Summoning

He can summon the local gods of any place he goes, that is the Earth Gods, Mountain Gods, River Gods, and the like.


9- Protective Circle

He can build a protective, albeit invisible wall by drawing a circle on the ground with his magic rod. Anyone staying inside the circle will be safe from harm as long as they don't go out. The one time he used it, San Zang was stupid enough to listen to Ba Jie and ignore Wu Kong's instructions and ended up being captured by a demon.



Abilities

1- Fiery Golden Eyes (Huo Yan Jin Jing)

When he was burnt in Lao Zi's furnace for 49 days, he sat in a place where there was only smoke, but no fire. Thus he managed to survive the burning, but his eyes were smoked into Fiery Golden Eyes. This enables him to see as far as a thousand li in the day and five, six hundred li at night. Furthermore, he can see through any disguise, illusion, or transformation.


2- Fighting

He possesses supernatural strength, so much that he feels that only a 8100kg metal rod is suitable for him. This strength and his natural agility gives him an edge in fights. He is efficient in unarmed combat and using various kinds of weapons, though his favored weapon is his magic rod.


3- Immortality and Invincibility

Wu Kong is immortal. Not only that, his 72 Transformations gives him 72 extra lives. Because he stole and ate peaches and golden pills of immortality, his body can be invulnerable to all attacks. He likes to intimidate others with this ability. He'll just bare his neck and dare you to attack him. And if you do, it's just like attacking a mountain of rock - the weapon just bounces off. He can cut open his stomach, take out his intestines, and put them back again. If his head is cut off, he can reattach it or just grow it back again, without even the hint of a scar. He can bathe in a pot of boiling oil as if it was just a hot spring. ^_^ How cool is that?


4- Knowledge and Intelligence

From the looks of it, Wu Kong studied very hard at school, uh, I mean at Pu Ti Zu Shi's cave. He knows a lot about anything related to magic - like the energy change in moon phases, types of demon influence, Yin and Yang, the five elements (wu xing), the eight symbols (ba gua), etc. etc. He is also a very clever guy - always thinking up different ways to trick and defeat other demons.


5- Horses

Don't forget that Wu Kong was once the Bi Ma Wen. The glorified stable boy of Heaven. >D He excels at taking care of horses and most horses obey him instinctively.


6- Healing and Medicine

Wu Kong is a skilled doctor as he studied traditional medicine with his first master. Regretfully, he only utilizes this ability on one occasion to diagnose and cure an emperor's sickness.
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Post by Rory » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:27 pm

It's completely redundant, but I'm loving the cover art none the less.

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Post by Herms » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:46 pm

SHINOBI-03 wrote: Sun Wukong powers are as following:
I've read a few abridged versions of Journey to the West, so I knew most of those. And I play as Son-Son a lot in Marvel Vs. Capcom 2.

But so anyway, I said earlier that the names Viz was using for the dragonballs were "Chinese-ish". Basically, they're direct romanizations of the Japanese way of writing the Chinese words for "1-star ball" etc, which is a bit different than the proper way to write these Chinese words in English. It's kind of like the telephone game: an English imitation of a Japanese imitation of Chinese. So for instance, the proper way to write the Chinese for "1-star ball" in English is yi xing qui, but Viz uses isshinchu. I don't actually know anything about Chinese, so hopefully I got all that right.
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Post by Adamant » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:58 pm

Herms wrote: But so anyway, I said earlier that the names Viz was using for the dragonballs were "Chinese-ish". Basically, they're direct romanizations of the Japanese way of writing the Chinese words for "1-star ball" etc, which is a bit different than the proper way to write these Chinese words in English.
And they got the phonetical spellings for the names wrong on top of that. Guh.
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Post by The Tori-bot » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:34 pm

I demand that you scan the scene in which Bulma *ahem* aquires the Dragon Ball from Kame-Sen'nin.
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Post by linkdude20002001 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:35 pm

Adamant wrote:
Herms wrote: But so anyway, I said earlier that the names Viz was using for the dragonballs were "Chinese-ish". Basically, they're direct romanizations of the Japanese way of writing the Chinese words for "1-star ball" etc, which is a bit different than the proper way to write these Chinese words in English.
And they got the phonetical spellings for the names wrong on top of that. Guh.
Yeah... "Oshinchu"? What's up with that? Doesn't Viz call it "Ushinchu" in the comic version?

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Post by Olivier Hague » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:46 pm

"Ryushinchu" is awesome, too. Pronounced "ree-yoo", huh? Sure.

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Post by Herms » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:27 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:"Ryushinchu" is awesome, too. Pronounced "ree-yoo", huh? Sure.
Obviously they subscribe to the Capcom USA school of pronouncing "Ryu".
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Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:35 am

I demand that you scan the scene in which Bulma *ahem* aquires the Dragon Ball from Kame-Sen'nin.
He uh.. just gives it to her. Just like that. :shock:

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Post by SHINOBI-03 » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:48 am

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:
I demand that you scan the scene in which Bulma *ahem* aquires the Dragon Ball from Kame-Sen'nin.
He uh.. just gives it to her. Just like that. :shock:
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Post by Chuquita » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:56 am

By what I've just read of the scans, it seems redundant, but not awful. Its kind of amusing, honestly. :lol:
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Post by Son Sebbe » Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:14 pm

/Just ordered it :D
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Post by Big Boss » Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:18 pm

Son Sebbe wrote:/Just ordered it :D
Why? :P

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Post by RoarkVegeta » Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:23 pm

Son Sebbe wrote:/Just ordered it :D
O.O


Also, if someone could make an avatar of Gokuu in the corner of the cover...




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Post by jda95 » Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:54 pm

Does all the Viz manga call the balls "Iishinchuu" and "Suushinchu"?


Why didn't they just translate it or use "Yi Xing Qiu"?

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