#16's death

Post by **SaiyaJedi** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:59 pm

number18 wrote:http://www.lovelycyborg.com/shrine/androidabc.gif

It was in the original manga #32 or #31, and then it was put in Shonen Jump. I'm not sure if it's in the Viz manga.

The actual Japanese for #20 states:
"Finally, he upgraded himself. However, he was destroyed by #17. ((Human plus Machine))"

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:01 am

That's pretty much what the VIZ translation is saying <_<

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:12 am

number18 wrote:Well WAY TO SCREW IT UP, DEUS!!

number18 · Post by **number18** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:17 am

Wow. I totally saw that coming. Hahaha.

Anyway Gohan, you have to admit the Japanese leaves a little bit more open to interpretation...although yeah, technically, "upgrading" himself would allude to becoming a cyborg.

Post by **SaiyaJedi** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:39 am

Actually, why don't I just translate the entire thing?

This is everything about Dr. Gero's Jinzôningen!!
After #8, they were created with the goal of killing Son Goku, who destroyed the Red Ribbon Army.

[Goku: "Hmm..."]

#1-#7
All had problems.

#8
Had a kind personality, and became good friends with Son Goku. Failure.

#9-#15
All seemed to have problems, but #13, #14, and #15 were apparently well along the way to completion.

#16
It's not quite clear why, but Dr. Gero called it a failure. It seems that perhaps its personality was the problem, but was there some other mystery?....
((Complete Artificial Construct))

#17
Because too much focus was put on power, would not do what he was told. Failure.
((Human Base))

#18
Power was suppressed compared to #17, but still would not do what she was told. Failure.
((Human Base))

#19
A success at last, but destroyed by Vegeta.
((Complete Artificial Construct))

#20
Finally, he [Dr. Gero] upgraded himself. However, he was destroyed by #17.
((Human Plus Machine))

CELL
Previously, Dr. Gero intended to bring his Jinzôningen into the world through biotechnology, but as it was time-consumingly difficult, he left it to the computer to continue the experiment. It was produced by combining the cells of Goku, Vegeta, Freeza, Freeza's father, and numerous kinds of creatures. From this state, it is further supposed to make #17 and #18 combine with it to become its Perfect Form.

number18 · Post by **number18** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:54 am

WOoooooord up! Thank you Julian.

I'd just REALLY like to know what exactly the difference is between "human base" and "human plus machine."

I mean, I guess it's referring to human Gero's brain plus a machine body. God I just answered my own question. ~_~;

SDHero · Post by **SDHero** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:11 am

Yeah, no positronics in Dr. Gero's brain...he just wanted to sorta put it in a glass jar/container...thing. As a mad scientist (technically a mad roboticist, but who's splitting hairs?) he knows the awesome power of a brain in a jar.

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:50 pm

Just remember Dr. Uiro (or whatever you want to write his name) from movie 2. He only had his brain "alive" and he referred to him as...himself.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:23 pm

SaiyaJedi wrote:
This is everything about Dr. Gero's Jinzôningen EDITED BY DAYSPRING FOR SAKE OF SPACE!!

CELL
Previously, Dr. Gero intended to bring his Jinzôningen into the world through biotechnology, but as it was time-consumingly difficult, he left it to the computer to continue the experiment. It was produced by combining the cells of Goku, Vegeta, Freeza, Freeza's father, and numerous kinds of creatures. From this state, it is further supposed to make #17 and #18 combine with it to become its Perfect Form.

[tosses shit against fan]About that computer that made Cell, does anybody else think it's possible that it could have been Jinzôningen #1?[/tosses shit against fan]

Seriously though, I often thought Metal Sargent could have been #7 since 1-8 were for the RR. What do you think?

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:42 pm

#1-#7 were failures, though, and Sgt. Metallic wasn't.

number18 · Post by **number18** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:47 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:#1-#7 were failures, though, and Sgt. Metallic wasn't.

WASN'T he?????????

lol I'm kidding. I can't remember half of the Red Ribbon saga...which is shameful to me, who is numba one jinzouningen fan.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:40 am

number18 wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:#1-#7 were failures, though, and Sgt. Metallic wasn't.
WASN'T he?????????

lol I'm kidding. I can't remember half of the Red Ribbon saga...which is shameful to me, who is numba one jinzouningen fan.

Sgt. Metallic was a Robot owned by the RR that failed to kill Goku because its battery died out. Robots/androids were made for the RR by Gero. Robots/adroids #1-7 by Gero were failures. Hence Sgt. Metallic could be one of robos #1-7.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:44 am

Yet #19 is noted to be a success, but he was destroyed...

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:51 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Yet #19 is noted to be a success, but he was destroyed...

And #16 was the most powerful of all the androids (excluding Cell) yet he was a failure.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:05 am

That crazy Gero!

Heritic · Post by **Heritic** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:36 am

Is it ever explained why #16 was said to be a failure? Was it because of his personality? I mean it's not like #16 couldn't follow orders or anything, even after Gero died he went to kill Goku.

number18 · Post by **number18** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:43 am

We assume it's just because he was a nature-loving hippy. He doesn't want to do anything besides kill Goku. Like nothing else. He doesn't want to fight anyone for fun. I bet Gero was like GET ME A SANDWHICH!@ And 16 was like no way, I just want to kill Goku.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:48 pm

I think with #16, Toriyama was originally intending to make him some kind of ultra badass, but changed his mind later.

Post by **SaiyaJedi** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:43 pm

Super Sonic wrote:I think with #16, Toriyama was originally intending to make him some kind of ultra badass, but changed his mind later.

But he is badass. Just try and tell me that tapping Cell on the shoulder before walloping him in the chin wasn't badass.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:46 pm

I loved that part.^^

Kanzenshuu

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