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Post by SHINOBI-03 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:17 am

DemonRin wrote:To be Fair, VLC Media player will break Region no problem, and it's not complicated at all.
I tried it with my R4 Astro Boy set and my R1 Grinch, but it doesn't work.

Sometimes I'm not sure wether the software is brocken... or my DVDs are no longer working...!!

Are there some steps I should do before I choose "Open Disck" instently?
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Post by Undercooked Sausage » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:49 am

No alternate titles on my copy. English title cards are the only option.

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Post by Super Ghost Kamikaze » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:53 am

Undercooked Sausage wrote:No alternate titles on my copy. English title cards are the only option.
Got it. Then these are not for me. As close as the original Dragon Ball dub comes to being tolerable, I'd rather pretend Funi's dub doesn't exist as much as possible.

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Post by Puto » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:14 am

DemonRin wrote:
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Raki wrote:It's regions 1&4.
WHY FUNIMATION?! WH~~~~~~~Y?!!!

YOU LEFT Z AND GT 1,2 & 4... AND AUSTRALIA HAVE MADMAN FOR THEM... WHY EXCLUDE REGION 2 WHO HAVE NO ONE TO DISTRUBTE YOUR PRODUCTS IN THEIR COUNTRIES? WHY 1 & 4 ONLY?!!

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To be Fair, VLC Media player will break Region no problem, and it's not complicated at all.
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Post by kusakun004 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:39 am

Eddie wrote:Never trust the TV rating on a Funi DVD, anyway. They kinda just throw whatever the hell they want on there. The YYH dub comes to mind. They gave the sets a TV PG rating, despite the fact that one in every few lines has foul language, Yusuke's a little perv, and Chu drops the F bomb. No way in hell that you could air that on US television with that rating.
I think you mean he dropped the S bomb. I've seen the dub entirely about three times and that is the worst language that has been in there. But, most of YYH is TV-PG, minus a couple episodes with stronger language and violence, so their rating is correct for most of the episodes. Though a TV-PG doesn't belong on Blue Gender, so that is true that their ratings aren't always accurate.
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Post by SHINOBI-03 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:46 am

Puto wrote: Not if you have a Matsushita(sp?) DVD drive. Then you're just screwed.
QUESTION: I've seen some external DVD writers (like this one) sold here and there...

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will I'll be able to use them to play DVD's normaly? If so, can it play with a different region than the built-in DVD drive?
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Post by Eddie » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:23 pm

kusakun004 wrote:
Eddie wrote:Never trust the TV rating on a Funi DVD, anyway. They kinda just throw whatever the hell they want on there. The YYH dub comes to mind. They gave the sets a TV PG rating, despite the fact that one in every few lines has foul language, Yusuke's a little perv, and Chu drops the F bomb. No way in hell that you could air that on US television with that rating.
I think you mean he dropped the S bomb. I've seen the dub entirely about three times and that is the worst language that has been in there. But, most of YYH is TV-PG, minus a couple episodes with stronger language and violence, so their rating is correct for most of the episodes. Though a TV-PG doesn't belong on Blue Gender, so that is true that their ratings aren't always accurate.
Chu drops the F bomb in episode 31. It can be difficult to hear his lines, due to his slurred speech, but he says, "Didn't you hear what the f*** she was saying?" I'm actually a bit surprised Funi hasn't gotten in trouble for slapping the TV PG logo on whatever the heck they want. Even DBZ movie 10 had that rating, and I've yet to see an actual televised PG broadcast feature a character flipping the bird or showing a babies penis during the end credits.

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Post by SSVegetto » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:58 pm

godofchaos wrote:I'm not comparing the set to a release we may or may not get, nor a foreign release that had numerous video problems.

I review for what it is.

It's a Dragon Ball boxset. We have no news about a Dbox of it in the USA, so I'm not bringing it up, because it's not relevant to it.

And 96k isn't odd either. It's standard for Funi mono tracks on DVD, their 5.1 tracks are generally 448k, which averages to about 90 per channel.

You're trying to find issues that don't exist.

I have no problems with calling Funi on shit, and complaining about YOUR feelings on a dub when the Japanese track is there, uncut, with subtitles, is the worst kind of nitpicking.

I'm reviewing what there, is based on what I know, and what's available to the average person.

Going, 'oh shit, this sucks, cause there's a better release in Japan' doesn't do, or mean anything for the average person.

I love the Dragon Boxes as much as plenty of other people. This set is exactly what is demanded of Funi, so I'm not gonna knock them based on what may or may not happen.

The DB/Z/GT fan's wanted 4:3 footage, Japanese version subbed, and all the episodes in order.

I only bring up foreign/alternate releases of a show when there is an obvious, and notable problem in ours.

If it's not good enough, then go wait for the Dbox, it's not what I reviewed.

This is what we wanted, asked for, and demanded, at a great price.
Alright you wont compare it to a foreign release, but will you compare it to Funi's previous release?, because when you say in the review that there is rarely any details lost in the remastering process. Then we need some kind of comparison picture with Funi's Dragonball dvd releases. I think it's very important to show this. We should be able to see what was improved.

Especially, if you want to disregard something about the dragon box. You can disregard it, but I guarantee in this forum, Daizex people will not disregard it. That's why we need to know how it compares to the dragon box. If it is almost as good as the dragon box. Then people may buy it. But we need screen shots to show that. If there is too much detail lost, I don't think people will buy it. Or they won't buy it anyways, because the fact that Funi may release another dragon box for Dragonball.


And furthermore I wasn't asking you to nitpick. When I said is it more uncut. I just wanted to know whether or not they actually went and redubbed some lines to make the audio more uncut. I wanted to know if they changed anything. If they didn't then that is not necessarily a bad thing.

And also, did they change anything to improve the subtitles? Were they improved? Again, I'm not asking for a nitpick. I'm just asking for information. The whole point of your review, was I felt it was incomplete and I was not informed enough.


This part is not your fault. But Funimation should be informing their fan base whether or not they are going to release the dragon box for Dragonball. Otherwise I doubt people want to continue wasting their money, and then waiting longer and longer to buy more stuff. I mean we had the previous Dragonball dvd releases, then we have this release, and now a potential dragon box in the future. How much more money does Funimation want their fan base to waste? When they don't inform us what they are going to do next.

Well, as for me I'm going to wait. If someone wants can we get some comparison pictures in this thread? Either way, I probably will wait.

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Post by Kaboom » Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:40 pm

I do agree that some comparison shots with FUNi's previous releases of these episodes might be in order. Just for curiosity's sake more than anything else.
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Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:42 pm

SSVegetto wrote: Alright you wont compare it to a foreign release, but will you compare it to Funi's previous release?, because when you say in the review that there is rarely any details lost in the remastering process. Then we need some kind of comparison picture with Funi's Dragonball dvd releases. I think it's very important to show this. We should be able to see what was improved.
...It is a review, not a comparison... He is reviewing this set, not others.

That's why we need to know how it compares to the dragon box. If it is almost as good as the dragon box. Then people may buy it. But we need screen shots to show that. If there is too much detail lost, I don't think people will buy it. Or they won't buy it anyways, because the fact that Funi may release another dragon box for Dragonball.
That would be reserved for a review on DaizenshuuEX.

And furthermore I wasn't asking you to nitpick. When I said is it more uncut. I just wanted to know whether or not they actually went and redubbed some lines to make the audio more uncut. I wanted to know if they changed anything. If they didn't then that is not necessarily a bad thing.
"More uncut"? The dub is "uncut". "Uncut" doesn't mean tons of swearing has to be added in.

This reminds me of a post on the FUNimation forums where somebody wanted Dragon Ball Z to be released "truly uncut" with sex scenes and a scene where it shows Bulma giving birth to Trunks...:mad:
And also, did they change anything to improve the subtitles? Were they improved? Again, I'm not asking for a nitpick. I'm just asking for information. The whole point of your review, was I felt it was incomplete and I was not informed enough.
Read point no. 1.
This part is not your fault. But Funimation should be informing their fan base whether or not they are going to release the dragon box for Dragonball. Otherwise I doubt people want to continue wasting their money, and then waiting longer and longer to buy more stuff. I mean we had the previous Dragonball dvd releases, then we have this release, and now a potential dragon box in the future. How much more money does Funimation want their fan base to waste? When they don't inform us what they are going to do next.
Uh... why the hell are you so cynical of FUNimation in every post you make? FUNimation isn't some huge group of evil schemers who are trying to rip you off in every way possible, they are a business.

It's quite obvious that you understand nothing about making business decisions, and that company's can't just announce everything at once like that.

They probably don't even know if a Dragon Ball Dragon Box is even a plausible business move yet; they will most likely wait and see how these sets, and the Z boxes sell before they even think about a Dragon Ball Dragon Box.
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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:11 pm

Eddie wrote:
kusakun004 wrote:
Eddie wrote:Never trust the TV rating on a Funi DVD, anyway. They kinda just throw whatever the hell they want on there. The YYH dub comes to mind. They gave the sets a TV PG rating, despite the fact that one in every few lines has foul language, Yusuke's a little perv, and Chu drops the F bomb. No way in hell that you could air that on US television with that rating.
I think you mean he dropped the S bomb. I've seen the dub entirely about three times and that is the worst language that has been in there. But, most of YYH is TV-PG, minus a couple episodes with stronger language and violence, so their rating is correct for most of the episodes. Though a TV-PG doesn't belong on Blue Gender, so that is true that their ratings aren't always accurate.
Chu drops the F bomb in episode 31. It can be difficult to hear his lines, due to his slurred speech, but he says, "Didn't you hear what the f*** she was saying?" I'm actually a bit surprised Funi hasn't gotten in trouble for slapping the TV PG logo on whatever the heck they want. Even DBZ movie 10 had that rating, and I've yet to see an actual televised PG broadcast feature a character flipping the bird or showing a babies penis during the end credits.
The uncut run of 1-67 has penises and middle fingers, I believe.
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Post by SSVegetto » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:22 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
SSVegetto wrote: Alright you wont compare it to a foreign release, but will you compare it to Funi's previous release?, because when you say in the review that there is rarely any details lost in the remastering process. Then we need some kind of comparison picture with Funi's Dragonball dvd releases. I think it's very important to show this. We should be able to see what was improved.
...It is a review, not a comparison... He is reviewing this set, not others.

You can have comparisons in a review. Guess what, it is remastered, so having a comparison to see what was improved or lost is perfectly acceptable. Everyone did that when the dbz season sets came out.

Metalwario64 wrote:
That's why we need to know how it compares to the dragon box. If it is almost as good as the dragon box. Then people may buy it. But we need screen shots to show that. If there is too much detail lost, I don't think people will buy it. Or they won't buy it anyways, because the fact that Funi may release another dragon box for Dragonball.
That would be reserved for a review on DaizenshuuEX.
Meaning what? That he cant show comparisons , only DaizenshuuEX is allowed to do that?
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And furthermore I wasn't asking you to nitpick. When I said is it more uncut. I just wanted to know whether or not they actually went and redubbed some lines to make the audio more uncut. I wanted to know if they changed anything. If they didn't then that is not necessarily a bad thing.
"More uncut"? The dub is "uncut". "Uncut" doesn't mean tons of swearing has to be added in.
You failed to read my original post to grasp what I meant. So read this
SSVegetto wrote: Also, did they redub the English audio for the first 13 episodes to sound more uncut? I noticed when watching the madman Australian dvds. The English dub is not even as uncut as the Japanese dub. Not the video, but the translations. You didn't tell us anything about the subtitles either. It leaves us with more questions.

For example: Roshi was talking about giving his undewear to Bulma. You never hear that in the English dub.
This question remains unanswered for us. All you did say was the dub was good. And you didn't provide examples?

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And also, did they change anything to improve the subtitles? Were they improved? Again, I'm not asking for a nitpick. I'm just asking for information. The whole point of your review, was I felt it was incomplete and I was not informed enough.
Read point no. 1.
I can't ask a question? What's wrong with you? Asking if a product has any redubbed any lines, or made or improved subtitles is perfectly applicable to have in a review.


Metalwario64 wrote: Uh... why the hell are you so cynical of FUNimation in every post you make? FUNimation isn't some huge group of evil schemers who are trying to rip you off in every way possible, they are a business.

It's quite obvious that you understand nothing about making business decisions, and that company's can't just announce everything at once like that.

They probably don't even know if a Dragon Ball Dragon Box is even a plausible business move yet; they will most likely wait and see how these sets, and the Z boxes sell before they even think about a Dragon Ball Dragon Box.

I look at it from a consumers point.

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Post by VegettoEX » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:24 pm

Let's not have a bunch of random back-and-forths where you just tell the other person to read. Converse or don't bother posting.
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Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:32 pm

SSVegetto wrote:I can't ask a question?
Putting words in my mouth again. Don't.

And you weren't asking about the subtitles, you were criticizing the review for not comparing the subtitles to other releases, which wasn't the point.
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Post by KaiserNeko » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:40 pm

Eddie wrote:Chu drops the F bomb in episode 31. It can be difficult to hear his lines, due to his slurred speech, but he says, "Didn't you hear what the f*** she was saying?"
Actually, it was episode 30. Furthermore, he says, "Didn't you hear the the foxy was saying!?" He calls her Foxy all the time, considering she's a fox demon. Checked the subtitles too, s'what he says.

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Post by laserkid » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:53 pm

Sounds like a case of misunderstood dialogue. For the longest time I thought the Haro's in Gundam Seed's dub were swearing at people, so I can relate. >.>
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Post by G1Ravage » Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:29 pm

laserkid wrote:Sounds like a case of misunderstood dialogue. For the longest time I thought the Haro's in Gundam Seed's dub were swearing at people, so I can relate. >.>
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Post by jjgp1112 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:30 pm

Did they redub the first 13 episodes?
Yamcha: Do you remember the spell to release him - do you know all the words?
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Post by Tweaker » Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:33 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Did they redub the first 13 episodes?
I imagine they wouldn't need to, considering the Madman sets had them completely intact and uncut.

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Post by The Time Traveller » Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:58 pm

I've made a few comparisons using Madman's Collection Part 1.

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This is how zoomed in the opening is, but it's only the opening, the series isn't as badly zoomed in for some reason, not all that much is cropped off, but on the opening it's quite a lot.

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The colour looks nice on the Season set...

EDIT: Fuck that, totally different cels for this shot, sorry.

EDIT 2: Some more things I managed to snap.

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The detail is almost exactly the same but the grain isn't as visible.

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The reason the last picture looks so bad is because Madman sucks hard, look at that! It looks terrrrrible, PAL sucks...
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