DBGT questions (I know, I know)

[MasterVampire]

Ok firstly I know that DBGT is mostly crap.
They screwed up a lot of the characters, messed up power levels and is not cannon.
Now that’s out the way I’m just trying to make sense of this mess of a series if that’s even possible.


1. When Goku was fighting that metal guy General Ridlo what was up with him saying he was as strong as majin buu? I mean come on, buu was one of the most powerful in the universe and this guy just so happens to be on his same level?

2. Why was the ssj2 transformation never used? I think I only saw it once when goku briefly did it when going to ssj3 to fight Baby. You never saw Vegeta do it when he was getting pounded by Super Android 17 and you would think he would goto his max to fight him.

3. Why did they screw Gohan up so much? They made him go ssj again but never showed him in his mystic form. Did they just forget about that and his power level at the end of DBZ? He was the one of the most powerful in the universe.

4. Was was the reasoning for making goku a kid?

5. Why didn’t they just wish goku to be an adult again when they used the Namek dragonballs to restore the earth once it blew up because of Baby? They would have had 3 wishes.

6. Before the baby saga was goku really trying his hardest with the enemies he fought? General Rildo for example, when they both powered up he still looked to be even or having a hard time with him yet he never went ssj2 or even to his max ssj3 (before baby when he realized he couldn’t maintain ssj3)


Thanks

[Herms]

4. Was was the reasoning for making goku a kid?

According to the GT Perfect Files, the writers of GT felt that Goku had grown too strong by the end of Z, so turning him into a child was a way of making him more manageable. And then I suppose Super Saiyan 4 was their way of saying "forget that, let's do this instead".

5. Why didn’t they just wish goku to be an adult again when they used the Namek dragonballs to restore the earth once it blew up because of Baby? They would have had 3 wishes.

There wasn't any real reason to make him an adult again. Goku himself never minded, and Chi Chi eventually accepted it. There's a scene after the Earth is restored where Bulma notes that Goku ultimately stayed a kid, and Chi Chi says that Goku's still Goku no matter what his age.

[Kaboom]

1. When Goku was fighting that metal guy General Ridlo what was up with him saying he was as strong as majin buu? I mean come on, buu was one of the most powerful in the universe and this guy just so happens to be on his same level?

If it's any consolation, odds are he's referring to Mr. Buu, who after splitting apart his evil side, was FAR weaker than he once was.

2. Why was the ssj2 transformation never used? I think I only saw it once when goku briefly did it when going to ssj3 to fight Baby. You never saw Vegeta do it when he was getting pounded by Super Android 17 and you would think he would goto his max to fight him.

Because Toei tends to forget the stage exists. But odds are at some points, like the fight against Super 16, Vegeta might have been using it. Toei is also inconsistent with showing signs of SSj2, like lightning bolts.

3. Why did they screw Gohan up so much? They made him go ssj again but never showed him in his mystic form. Did they just forget about that and his power level at the end of DBZ? He was the one of the most powerful in the universe.

Gohan got de-powered so he wouldn't be more powerful than Goku.

4. Was was the reasoning for making goku a kid?

Probably to "spice things up," and to make the early portions of the story seem more carefree and fun like the old-school DragonBall days. If you ask me, it mostly worked.

5. Why didn’t they just wish goku to be an adult again when they used the Namek dragonballs to restore the earth once it blew up because of Baby? They would have had 3 wishes.

If the Red Shenlong from the Black Star Balls happens to be more powerful than Porunga, the wish might not be able to be reversed.

6. Before the baby saga was Goku really trying his hardest with the enemies he fought? General Rildo for example, when they both powered up he still looked to be even or having a hard time with him yet he never went ssj2 or even to his max ssj3 (before baby when he realized he couldn’t maintain ssj3)

Dramatic tension, I guess. It wouldn't have been any fun if Goku just jumped up to SSj3 and vaporized Rildo in one shot.

[Herms]

If it's any consolation, odds are he's referring to Mr. Buu, who after splitting apart his evil side, was FAR weaker than he once was.

"Odds are"? Based on what?

[Kaboom]

"Odds are"? Based on what?

Well, mainly the virtue of Mr. Buu being the only Buu still around and kicking for the last 15 years, and the only one Pan and/or Trunks, to whom he was talking, would be at all familiar with.

[Herms]

Well, mainly the virtue of Mr. Buu being the only Buu still around and kicking for the last 15 years, and the only one Pan and/or Trunks, to whom he was talking, would be at all familiar with.

He wasn't talking to Pan or Trunks though, he was talking to himself. But either way, Trunks would be very familiar with the original fat Boo and super Boo, since he fought both.

[MCDaveG]

And you know that Uub can't participate on Tenkaichi Budokai??? Because there is clearly stated before that you can't wear any type of protector and he wears helmet disguised as Papayaman.

[finnishjuoppo]

And you know that Uub can't participate on Tenkaichi Budokai??? Because there is clearly stated before that you can't wear any type of protector and he wears helmet disguised as Papayaman.

things chanche lad,things chanche

[Rocketman]

2. Why was the ssj2 transformation never used? I think I only saw it once when goku briefly did it when going to ssj3 to fight Baby. You never saw Vegeta do it when he was getting pounded by Super Android 17 and you would think he would goto his max to fight him.

Toei is completely unable to draw the lightning bolts that are the main signifier of SSJ2.

3. Why did they screw Gohan up so much? They made him go ssj again but never showed him in his mystic form. Did they just forget about that and his power level at the end of DBZ? He was the one of the most powerful in the universe.

From one standpoint, it could be because Gohan was simply too powerful. Mystic Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks and FAR stronger than SSJ3 Goku, all without any restrictions at all. Unless they brought Vegetto back, the only hero stronger than him would be Gogeta, and that went away when Goku got shrunken.

The real reason, of course, is that Toei was sucking Goku's dick so hard it was in danger of falling off.

[kenisu3000]

In answer to the whole General Rild business, let's not forget that during the Boo saga, Dabura is canonically mentioned as being about as strong as Cell... and although I guess it's believable that someone from the Demon World (or whatever it was called) would measure up like that, it still makes me raise an eyebrow that Toriyama would just throw Cell's power level out there as an aside, like it was nothing much.

And I'm actually quite a big fan of GT. I consider myself much more of an "advocate" of it than most other fans. I absolutely love the first 16 episodes.

Although it does still bug me that adult Trunks and Goten never got to perform Fusion. I really want to see an adult Gotenks!

[Herms]

In answer to the whole General Rild business, let's not forget that during the Boo saga, Dabura is canonically mentioned as being about as strong as Cell... and although I guess it's believable that someone from the Demon World (or whatever it was called) would measure up like that, it still makes me raise an eyebrow that Toriyama would just throw Cell's power level out there as an aside, like it was nothing much.

It's pretty common for the new villian's strength to be built up by having the old villian or somehow said to be on par with them have their clock cleaned. There's Tao Pai Pai killing Blue with his tongue, Raditz taunting Piccolo, the Saibaimen being called about as strong as Raditz and then getting mowed down, Vegeta getting beaten up by Recoome and then Freeza, 17 killing Gero, Cell beating up 17, and then Dabra being called about as strong as Cell like you mentioned, only to be eaten by Boo. So Rild being described as on par with Boo fits into that tradition.

[Rocketman]

So Rild being described as on par with Boo fits into that tradition.

And then base Goku, base Trunks and Pan each firing a small ki blast destroys him.

[Kendamu]

In answer to the whole General Rild business, let's not forget that during the Boo saga, Dabura is canonically mentioned as being about as strong as Cell... and although I guess it's believable that someone from the Demon World (or whatever it was called) would measure up like that, it still makes me raise an eyebrow that Toriyama would just throw Cell's power level out there as an aside, like it was nothing much.

It's pretty common for the new villian's strength to be built up by having the old villian or somehow said to be on par with them have their clock cleaned. There's Tao Pai Pai killing Blue with his tongue, Raditz taunting Piccolo, the Saibaimen being called about as strong as Raditz and then getting mowed down, Vegeta getting beaten up by Recoome and then Freeza, 17 killing Gero, Cell beating up 17, and then Dabra being called about as strong as Cell like you mentioned, only to be eaten by Boo. So Rild being described as on par with Boo fits into that tradition.

I dunno where I got this term from, but I have a name for these types of characters: Measuring Sticks. When an established powerful character gets busted up or killed by someone new and/or improved, they're being used as Measuring Sticks. Yamcha's always been a bit of a Measuring Stick. A very memorable example of people being used as Measuring Sticks was Trunks killing Freeza very easily and then, right after, Goku deflecting Trunks' attacks effortlessly.

[Metalwario64]

So Rild being described as on par with Boo fits into that tradition.

And then base Goku, base Trunks and Pan each firing a small ki blast destroys him.

I am not sure, but I really have a feeling that was supposed to be some awkward sick inside humor or something... It's just too random and funny to be serious!

[caejones]

To be fair, Dabura is from the mysterious other side of the universe... kinda implied that the 'demon realm' / Makai had something like a mirror-image thing going on (Not that there's any evidence for this, but it helps make Dabura easier to believe... maybe Demon! Cell was a goodguy who was destined to rid himself of people and that made him weaker, or something? ).

Rild? Blah. Blah blah blah blah blah! Jee, if it was that easy, maybe they should have just gotten Kamesen'nin to hypnotize Dr. Gero into making new machines that could be used for good (or training, if nothing else... or to find Dragonballs!)?
*sigh*.

And it never bothered me that Goku didn't return to his adult form. It was established early on that he didn't care... it confuses me that so many fans do.
And it had the little convenience of letting his tail grow back for plot-device purposes.

[kenisu3000]

It's pretty common for the new villian's strength to be built up by having the old villian or somehow said to be on par with them have their clock cleaned. There's Tao Pai Pai killing Blue with his tongue, Raditz taunting Piccolo, the Saibaimen being called about as strong as Raditz and then getting mowed down, Vegeta getting beaten up by Recoome and then Freeza, 17 killing Gero, Cell beating up 17, and then Dabra being called about as strong as Cell like you mentioned, only to be eaten by Boo. So Rild being described as on par with Boo fits into that tradition.

I know, but it still irks me for some reason.

[SSJmole]

Here's my thoughts

1. When Goku was fighting that metal guy General Ridlo what was up with him saying he was as strong as majin buu? I mean come on, buu was one of the most powerful in the universe and this guy just so happens to be on his same level?

How is that different to Frieza been strongest in universe yet after there were stronger. Most likely he was as strong as Kid Buu. Goku stated it so he must have been.

2. Why was the ssj2 transformation never used? I think I only saw it once when goku briefly did it when going to ssj3 to fight Baby. You never saw Vegeta do it when he was getting pounded by Super Android 17 and you would think he would goto his max to fight him.

I suppose It could be SSJ 2, look at goku when he Went SSJ the first time then look at him by buu when he transformed its less over the top. Maybe SSJ2 at first has lightning ect.. but when it is controlled the lightning stops as that would be power coming off them.

3. Why did they screw Gohan up so much? They made him go ssj again but never showed him in his mystic form. Did they just forget about that and his power level at the end of DBZ? He was the one of the most powerful in the universe.

I think the Mystic thing was either a) temporary and wore off or b) Since it was unlock potential from with in him and he failed train ect... after it he literally wasted his potential and so couldn't do it.

4. Was was the reasoning for making goku a kid?

Story wise no it was an accident. Real life they most wanted to try and reclaim some charm from Dragonball so made him a kid to feel like Dragonball mixed with Z

5. Why didn’t they just wish goku to be an adult again when they used the Namek dragonballs to restore the earth once it blew up because of Baby? They would have had 3 wishes.

The black star balls did it and were more powerful. They said only a wish on black star balls would reverse and doing that would make it likely the earth would blow up

6. Before the baby saga was goku really trying his hardest with the enemies he fought? General Rildo for example, when they both powered up he still looked to be even or having a hard time with him yet he never went ssj2 or even to his max ssj3 (before baby when he realized he couldn’t maintain ssj3)

Goku was adjusting to still be child as seen when he tried his Instant Transmission and it failed. When It came time for Baby fight it had been months he had learned to control his new body.

[Rocketman]

I suppose It could be SSJ 2, look at goku when he Went SSJ the first time then look at him by buu when he transformed its less over the top. Maybe SSJ2 at first has lightning ect.. but when it is controlled the lightning stops as that would be power coming off them.

SSJ2 always has lots of lightning in the manga. Toei just forgets to add it in the anime.

[SSJmole]

I suppose It could be SSJ 2, look at goku when he Went SSJ the first time then look at him by buu when he transformed its less over the top. Maybe SSJ2 at first has lightning ect.. but when it is controlled the lightning stops as that would be power coming off them.

SSJ2 always has lots of lightning in the manga. Toei just forgets to add it in the anime.

I wasn't arguing that. I was thinking in story that could explain it.

[mister yummy]

My theory on Rildo is that when Goku became a kid again, his power decreased dramatically. Because of this, his ability to judge the power of others isn't reliable. He's comparing Rildo's power to Buu's with a faulty point of reference. Rildo isn't as strong as Buu, but Goku thinks he is because Goku himself is also weaker.