Immortality Thoughts

Super Saiyan Knuckles · Post by **Super Saiyan Knuckles** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:04 pm

Out of all the DBZ attemps for a villain to get a wish off the dragon, the one villian that suceeds may not actually exist... I'm talking, of course, about Garlic Jr. He gets his immortality in movie 1, so obviously he can't die. But could he still suffer near-fatal injuries? Like amputations? Could he get sliced in half, much like Frieza, with a Destructo Disk? Or anything else? It's a puzzling thought.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:21 pm

Well, we know he can suffer fatal injuries (since Gohan rammed through him head-first in the filler that occurs between Freeza's death and Trunks' arrival), as for decapitation though...I'd say yes. Though, whether he'd just be a head or the damage would be undone (ala the 'Interview with the Vampire' take on immortality, and how they literally couldn't change from the state they were in when they were turned) is up to you.

-Corey

Super Saiyan Knuckles · Post by **Super Saiyan Knuckles** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:52 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Well, we know he can suffer fatal injuries (since Gohan rammed through him head-first in the filler that occurs between Freeza's death and Trunks' arrival), as for decapitation though...I'd say yes. Though, whether he'd just be a head or the damage would be undone (ala the 'Interview with the Vampire' take on immortality, and how they literally couldn't change from the state they were in when they were turned) is up to you.

-Corey

He gets a hole through him? I don't remember that. I really have to see DBZ again.

Mike D · Post by **Mike D** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:03 pm

He can have his head cut off, just that he wont be killed. He can be injured, feel pain, get a disease, and even lose a fatal amount of blood but he wont be killed.

Immortality only makes you immune to death itself.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:13 pm

Can Shenron even grant immortality? Ignoring filler, we never see a successful case where it's been granted. Since Shenron can't grant wishes that exceed his maker's power, wouldn't a blast that hit the immortal kill him if it were strong enough to kill Kami?

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:29 pm

well using the case of Garlic Jr we know he can still live through intense and unending pain, even if he WISHES he was dead, so I'd say yeah you could cut his head off and he'd just be a talking Guldo style head that just lived past the otherwise fatal injury. He'd need it sewn back on or something.

As for wether or not it could actually work, its not wether or not attacks can kill Kami can kill you, its wether or not Kami has the power to make someone immortal or not. Wether or not that is so isn't ever truly said so, who knows.

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:55 pm

Remember, Kame-sennin supposedly had immortality, but he died. Maybe immortality in DB immunes you from natural death, but if you're decapitated...it's up to you.

Mugenmidget · Post by **Mugenmidget** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:19 pm

*PINHEAD* wrote:Remember, Kame-sennin supposedly had immortality, but he died. Maybe immortality in DB immunes you from natural death, but if you're decapitated...it's up to you.

That was always my take on it. You can age all day long but you're never going to die from it, but that doesn't mean you couldn't be shot or something. But a popular definition for immortal seems to be "not subject to death."

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:27 pm

Well, Kame-sennin doesn't seem to have aged much at all since we first met him in DB. I think being immortal in DB means becoming a bit of an elf. You won't age anymore, and aren't suspectible to any natural death causes.

But I doubt that asking to be immortal also makes you invulnerable. Although, one could wonder if you'd ask the dragon. "I want to be invulnerable AND immortal" if it would count as one or two wishes? XD

Mike D · Post by **Mike D** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:48 pm

I would be considered two wishes because you are asking for more than one thing.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:59 pm

Really, it's not like immortality would help Garlic Jr. THAT much. I mean, if an attack is strong enough to kill him, it would at least knock him out if he was immortal. They could just throw him in a grinder or something, and he'd be unable to do much.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:24 pm

I don't think the meat grinder would be as effective as one might think; when Garlic Jr. became immortal, he appears to take on regenerative like abilities. When Gohan made a hole straight through his gut, he was able to close it and return to normal within moments (not unlike Majin Boo).

Mike D · Post by **Mike D** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:05 pm

So, does that man he would grow another head if it got decapitated and/or grow another body on his head. This would result in two giant Garlic Jrs. I call it:

The Hydra Syndrome

Michi · Post by **Michi** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:58 am

Pedro The Hutt wrote:But I doubt that asking to be immortal also makes you invulnerable. Although, one could wonder if you'd ask the dragon. "I want to be invulnerable AND immortal" if it would count as one or two wishes? XD

Couldn't you just wish it so that you were immune to any and all causes of death? ^_^; Specifics are good. XD That'd make you so you couldn't be killed and you wouldn't die of any natural causes either... right? :3

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:33 am

That, or make a wish for one, collect the balls again. And make the other wish next year. XD

Daimao · Post by **Daimao** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:51 am

Mike D wrote:So, does that man he would grow another head if it got decapitated and/or grow another body on his head. This would result in two giant Garlic Jrs. I call it:

The Hydra Syndrome

More like the Hydra-lander Syndrome.

"I am Garlic Jr., of the Clan Macleod. There can be only o--" (chop) (grow) "er, never mind."

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:15 pm

Roshi's more of an Eternal Youth (or Eternal This Age for Ever) thing. I've never agreed with the Garlic Jr. take on Imortality. Damage should stay damage. Losing your head would make you just a head, etc... Regenerative abilities shouldn't be included.

And there is a way to make that in one wish. "I want you to make me an invalnerable immortal!" and there you go. It's 2 for the price of 1. It's all in the wording. ^^

P.S. Deus, where'd you get the new avatar? ^_^

Endishiki · Post by **Endishiki** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:30 pm

His new avatar is done by the same person who did the Bra avatar before.

Also, the one take I've seen on immortality is:

Vegita becomes immortal.

Freeza breaks his spine, making him a paraplegic for life.

LaRésistance · Post by **LaRésistance** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:34 pm

I only want to point out that Garlic Jr isn't the only villain who gets his wish granted. Dr Willow (I don't know his name in the American dub) in movie 3 does as well.

Heritic · Post by **Heritic** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:40 pm

I always thought immortality made him immune to any causes of death, be it natural or unnatural. Garlic Jr. could get a hole in him but he would still live. He'd just probably be in agony all the time, that is until he gets the hole patched up.