Dragon Box to include BOTH dub tracks?

[jjgp1112]

That's pretty immature to want another fanbase to be shunned just because you've been shunned before. Like a "Someone pushed me, so I'm gonna push another kid just because I didn't like being pushed."

Like I typed before, you just want both dub tracks because Johnson's score sucks. Imagine how many fans out there share your tastes and tell me that's worth sacrificing video quality.

And again: how do we know the video quality will be significantly affected? We're not the ones encoding this release, so we should just hold our breath until we pop the damn thing in our DVD player. To quote Taku in the IRC chat, it took Funi THREE MONTHS to even tell us what audio track would be there. They obviously tested to make sure it wouldn't affect video quality.

[B]

But they're still releasing this in America. And whether you like it or not, Dub fans MATTER in America and will still buy this. So they might as well satisfy them too. Simply having them shunned just because you've been shunned before is immature.

It's not so much immaturity as it is a cold shoulder. Nobody actively wants someone else to feel left out, but at the cost of something the other party wants, they'll make the sacrifice. You're essentially doing the same thing by advocating FOR the dub music. It's human nature.

@B - arent you being a bit melodramastic calling it 'fear of the worst'?

Did you REALLY think Funi was going to put them out without including their own music?

I'm not being melodramastic or melodramatic. Stop watching primetime TV dramas if you think the phrase "fear of the worst" is anything close to being dramatic.

[LeprikanGT]

@Sparky - Thats what I'm thinking...If they can put a 3 hour movie on a dvd with an English French and Spanish track on it in 5.1 and it be a 'real time' movie, why would 2 hours of animation suffer?

[Metalwario64]

I hope the video quality is better than the Japanese version!

[.:PoetikaL:.]

But they're still releasing this in America. And whether you like it or not, Dub fans MATTER in America and will still buy this. So they might as well satisfy them too. Simply having them shunned just because you've been shunned before is immature.

They are not the target audience for this release though. The point of the US Dragon Box release is... well, that it's a US release of the Dragon Box. It should actually be the Dragon Box. If this affects the audio or video quality then it won't really be the Dragon Box.

Right there is the answer. Bolded and Italicized.

[Metalwario64]

I guess we shouldn't have English subtitles or menus then either...

[jjgp1112]

To quote godofchaos: This isn't a direct release of the Japanese Dragon Box, this is another company's version of it.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Why should a portion of the fanbase have to be shunned just to make this a better release?

Err, not to be blatantly antagonistic, but I think that's the question the fans of the Japanese, fullscreen version have been asking for...oh, 14 years now? ;p

The dub audience has been catered to quite a bit. Excessively so, one might even argue. Per FUNimation, this was going to be a bit of a "kiss and make up" to the fans of the Japanese version. So, if adding a dub track that's already been released a few times ends up degrading the release, it's a bit of a pain.

We'll just have to wait and see if the bitrate will suffer. And chances are, it won't. We have no reason to believe that it will or will not look significantly worse, so we should just shut up until we actually SEE IT.

I agree, we should wait, however FUNimation's track record isn't so good.

Does anyone here have any of the Japanese Dbox discs? Exactly how much disc space did they use up? I seem to remember the DEX podcast saying they had tons of leftover room on the disc. As long as there is room, I don't think anyone will mind having all 3 audio tracks.

Tons of room? Not really. The DragonBoxes practically pegged the encoders at the maximum possible bitrate for both audio and video. I'll pull a disc later, but I don't seem to remember them having any crazy free space left on the discs (you might be thinking of FUNimation actually, their discs in the past didn't utilize the maximum capacity of the medium).

Honestly, how likely is it that the video quality is going to suffer because of the extra audio track? As far as technology has come these days it can't be that much of an issue. Plus this is a high profile release so they aren't just gonna botch it up. People should just be happy that we're getting a release everybody can enjoy.

Again, not to be blatantly antagonistic, but FUNimation has a track record of throwing in one (or two) variables that ruin releases like this. I'm not sure if they still use the same encoder (but I'm assuming they do, since I still see complaints), but they have a standing record in the industry of being known for botching the encodes on their DVD releases. So advances in technology really don't stand for much, given that FUNimation themselves have admitted to using an older encoding solution.

In the end, we'll see. However, given the decreased disc count and additional audio tracks compared to the Japanese source material...eh, I worry. We'll see soon enough though.

-Corey

[Amigo Ten]

I guess we shouldn't have English subtitles or menus then either...

It's not the language, it's the quality. If it's not at all affected by the extra track, well then everything's fine.

[isucamper]

Here I'm looking at the back of the LoTR Two Towers DVD. The run time is 179 minutes, a lot longer than 6-7 Dragonball episodes(which if you figure about 20 minutes for each episode they would add up to at max 140 minutes). Along with that the disc also had room for both Digital 5.1 surround sound(an option I doubt will be on the Dragonbox) and Stereo surround sound. It also had English and Spanish audio and subtitles. Keeping that in mind the video quality was beyond great. So how will the Dragonbox suffer?

I assume you're looking at the original release and not the extended cut which spanned over two discs?

The Dbox discs aren't compareable to any old DVD. A better comaprison would be to look at a "Super Bit" DVD in which all special features and unneeded audio tracks are left off in order to fill the disc with a maxed out video track.

If you compare the Super Bit version of Snatch to the regular release, you WILL see a difference. I have and I did.

[LeprikanGT]

@B what I'm saying is youre making ti out to be the worst thing that could possibly be happening to the DragonBox...hey how about the US NOT get the DragonBox...that seems like the literal 'worst' that could happen.

[B]

I guess we shouldn't have English subtitles or menus then either...

Except if you can read, a "US release of the Dragon Box" would be for US fans. The primary language in the United States is English.

You're cherrypicking and grasping at straws.

[Metalwario64]

I guess we shouldn't have English subtitles or menus then either...

Except if you can read, a "US release of the Dragon Box" would be for US fans. The primary language in the United States is English.

You're cherrypicking and grasping at straws.

Aw... I tried to be funny!:(

Maybe we should nix all of the audio tracks! If we had no audio at all, then the video quality would be superior to the Japanese release!

[MajinVejitaXV]

To quote godofchaos: This isn't a direct release of the Japanese Dragon Box, this is another company's version of it.

True, however FUNimation is obviously trying to make people believe that this is an exact replica of the Japanese release (the packaging, the statements they've released, etc). If they end up screwing the pooch, it'll just serve to hurt them again with fans of the series.

-Corey

[Hujio]

That's pretty immature to want another fanbase to be shunned just because you've been shunned before. Like a "Someone pushed me, so I'm gonna push another kid just because I didn't like being pushed."

You're right, it probably is immature to think that, but has the dub fan ever gotten the shaft? Do they really know what it's like? Sure the dub fan matters in America, but all of the other fans apparently haven't mattered until now. We're finally getting what we asked for, patiently waited for, and then we hear that even though is meant for us, they're going to cater to the dub fans again. Almost putting us in the back seat again, so to speak. I don't care if they include a dub track, I'm just don't want two of them. Pick one and go with it. I'm not even debating quality at this point, I'm debating the need for this to even happen.

As far as quality is concerned, let's at least get some real numbers out there. An average episode is ~24 minutes. So these discs will have almost 3 hours of animation, not 2 hours.

Basically, just read what Corey wrote.

[LeprikanGT]

At this point...the DragonBox is going to sell, and its going to sell well. I dont think THAT many fans are NOT going to buy it if its got the 3rd track...although MORE fans will buy it b/c thats the music they like.

[B]

@B what I'm saying is youre making ti out to be the worst thing that could possibly be happening to the DragonBox...hey how about the US NOT get the DragonBox...that seems like the literal 'worst' that could happen.

That's more likely than not not a problem, seeing as it's got a release date.

The worst case scenario is the actual product sucking major ass(such as, I dunno... the video quality being compromised because of too many things stuffed into a single disc), since the fact the DBOX is coming out is just that, an absolute fact.

[isucamper]

Tons of room? Not really. The DragonBoxes practically pegged the encoders at the maximum possible bitrate for both audio and video. I'll pull a disc later, but I don't seem to remember them having any crazy free space left on the discs (you might be thinking of FUNimation actually, their discs in the past didn't utilize the maximum capacity of the medium).

I'd really appreciate it if you could look!

[Innagadadavida]

Yeah, we have a complete release - a DBZ release that EVERYBODY can be satisfied by, not just a portion. So all of this complaining is absolutely retarded. Why should a portion of the fanbase have to be shunned just to make this a better release?

WOW!! Let's back the truck up for a second? Did you just ask why a portion of the fanbase should be shunned to make a better release? You think it's fair that a portion of the fanbase has been shunned since 1996, but now that they're finally getting exactly what they want we can't shun the other side? That doesn't make much sense to me. For once, a portion of the fanbase has finally been recognized by FUNimation.

Yes, in a perfect world, nobody should be "shunned." A perfect release is one that makes all parties happy. Regardless of who received the short end of the stick in the past. Yes it sucks that FUNimation has mostly catered to dub fans in the past, but just because they're trying to make up for their mistakes doesn't mean they should drop their bread and butter. They're a company. They're not in the business to be awesome. They're in the business to make money.

But for all intents and purposes, I don't believe FUNimation has ever tried to purposefully "shun" anybody. I think it has been a matter of misunderstanding in the past. I don't think they released the orange bricks to piss people off. I think they honestly believed everybody would like it. Also they've had Japanese language and subs on all their releases since they started doing their own DVDs.

[Metalwario64]

FUNimation is obviously trying to make people believe that this is an exact replica of the Japanese release

If that was the case then why would they advertise English subtitles and a dub track?