DB/Older anime fans different from new anime fans?

[SSJ2bardock]

Listen Death Note, I'm really happy for you and I'ma let you finish, but Cowboy Bebop had one of best dubs of all time. Of all time!

That wasn't funny, it was just stupid and random...

Oh please, I was quoting Kanye West, anyone with a TV knows that. It was neither stupid nor random, it was a pop-culture reference that was set up perfectly by a previous post, while yours truly was just out of nowhere and pretty stupid, not to mention it wasn't even in this thread.

Go be butt hurt somewhere else.

[penguintruth]

SSJ2bardock, everyone. Arbiter of humor. Behold his mighty power.

[MCDaveG]

Kanye never was funny since he sampled Daft Punk

[SSJ2bardock]

SSJ2bardock, everyone. Arbiter of humor. Behold his mighty power.

You made an attempt at a joke in another thread from like 3 days ago that was completely random, I called you out on it. I alluded to a very current internet trend and pop-culture reference that was in fact brought about by what someone else said, which you tried to get some sort of self validation through revenge by trying to take things out of context. It didn't work, get over it, move on.

[penguintruth]

Obviously, neither of us are comedians. My Kaio avatar is quite suitable for me.

And, on the subject of the thread (so as not to detract too much):

Recently, I've noticed that some folks who grew up around the time I did like the DBZ English dub regardless, and even perhaps because, of it being entirely different from the original Japanese version. It becomes a "so bad its good" sort of thing, with a little nostalgia thrown in.

I can sort of understand, since there are some Japanese giant monster movies that wouldn't be as entertaining if you just watched them as they are with subtitles. The shlocky dub becomes part of the experience.

Still, I'd rather like DBZ for what it is, not for what it's not.

[Super Sonic]

Recently, I've noticed that some folks who grew up around the time I did like the DBZ English dub regardless, and even perhaps because, of it being entirely different from the original Japanese version. It becomes a "so bad its good" sort of thing, with a little nostalgia thrown in.

I can sort of understand, since there are some Japanese giant monster movies that wouldn't be as entertaining if you just watched them as they are with subtitles. The shlocky dub becomes part of the experience.

There are older anime dubs like that too, or for other reasons. Believe me, most guys who don't like the Funimation dub of DBZ would rather watch it, than watch Superbook or Flying House in Japanese with subtitles.

[RogueA007]

Recently, I've noticed that some folks who grew up around the time I did like the DBZ English dub regardless, and even perhaps because, of it being entirely different from the original Japanese version. It becomes a "so bad its good" sort of thing, with a little nostalgia thrown in.

I can sort of understand, since there are some Japanese giant monster movies that wouldn't be as entertaining if you just watched them as they are with subtitles. The shlocky dub becomes part of the experience.

This is relatively my opinion about this as well.

Another good example of this in my "favorites", is the cartoon Samurai Pizza Cats (another product of Saban's era in the 90's). The English version has next to nothing in common with the Japanese source anime, "Kyattō Ninden Teyandee", it's basically one big parody of whatever's happening on screen with a healthy dose of American cartoon comedy.

But it works. Back when I was a kid I watched it like crazy and loved it. More recent (ish), I watched the Japanese version a few times and frankly, I prefer the English version to the Japanese! The Japanese version has TONS of cultural references that just really don't matter to me, along side of the fact that it doesn't have the same "vibe" as the writing in the English version does.

The things good writing can do is epically amazing.

[Big Momma]

Recently, I've noticed that some folks who grew up around the time I did like the DBZ English dub regardless, and even perhaps because, of it being entirely different from the original Japanese version. It becomes a "so bad its good" sort of thing, with a little nostalgia thrown in.

I can sort of understand, since there are some Japanese giant monster movies that wouldn't be as entertaining if you just watched them as they are with subtitles. The shlocky dub becomes part of the experience.

There are older anime dubs like that too, or for other reasons. Believe me, most guys who don't like the Funimation dub of DBZ would rather watch it, than watch Superbook or Flying House in Japanese with subtitles.

I would LOVE to see the original subbed versions of SuperBook or Flying House. I can't seem to find them ANYWHERE.

[Sebastian (SB)]

]... Actually it was. Toriyama's wife picked out the name.

I remember it being her that picked out the name when Toriyama was trying to pick out a name for Kame-senin's attack, but I don't remember whether she was actually referring to the Hawaiian King's name moreso than a pun on Kame-senin's name. The latter seems to make more sense to me. Does anyone have a source?

[Super Sonic]

Recently, I've noticed that some folks who grew up around the time I did like the DBZ English dub regardless, and even perhaps because, of it being entirely different from the original Japanese version. It becomes a "so bad its good" sort of thing, with a little nostalgia thrown in.

I can sort of understand, since there are some Japanese giant monster movies that wouldn't be as entertaining if you just watched them as they are with subtitles. The shlocky dub becomes part of the experience.

There are older anime dubs like that too, or for other reasons. Believe me, most guys who don't like the Funimation dub of DBZ would rather watch it, than watch Superbook or Flying House in Japanese with subtitles.

I would LOVE to see the original subbed versions of SuperBook or Flying House. I can't seem to find them ANYWHERE.

Don't think they were released subbed, due to those who have them apparently thinking there'd be no market for them.

[Big Momma]

There are older anime dubs like that too, or for other reasons. Believe me, most guys who don't like the Funimation dub of DBZ would rather watch it, than watch Superbook or Flying House in Japanese with subtitles.

I would LOVE to see the original subbed versions of SuperBook or Flying House. I can't seem to find them ANYWHERE.

Don't think they were released subbed, due to those who have them apparently thinking there'd be no market for them.

They'd get my money. Don't see why that isn't enough.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

I thought Death Note had one of the best dubs of all time

Listen Death Note, I'm really happy for you and I'ma let you finish, but Cowboy Bebop had one of best dubs of all time. Of all time!

Now see If Kanye had said that at the VMA's he would be my hero and not an asshole.

By the way I lol'd

[Olivier Hague]

Are you saying the English dub wasn't good?

I think it was passable at best.

It's widely considered to be better than the original ya know...

I know, and I think that's ridiculous.
See here...

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

hey, hey I remember that thread!

I understand you love for subs but come on, Beebop was a great DUB.
I can't say it was better than the original because I haven't seen much of the original to compare the two. However I had a lot of fun with the DUB it was more than passable. Though that's just my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

[Innagadadavida]

See here...

Jesus Christ what could you possibly ask for to make the Bebop dub better? Do you want God himself to play Spike?

[Olivier Hague]

I understand you love for subs but come on, Beebop was a great DUB.

No, I disagree, sorry. It's barely passable. And I'm not saying that out of "love for subs".
Now, I know many English dubs were/are absolutely atrocious, so this one probably shines in comparison, but it's not "great". If you think it is, good for you, but I really disagree.

On the other hand, again, I overall agree with this guy (and I, too, thought the US Jet did a good job).

Jesus Christ what could you possibly ask for to make the Bebop dub better? Do you want God himself to play Spike?

Now, now... You can't imply I'm being unreasonable for simply saying that an English dub is barely passable and far inferior to the Japanese original, and then, in the same breath, state that the English dub is so good that only a divine intervention could improve it in any way. ^_^;

[NeptuneKai]

Now, I know many English dubs were/are absolutely atrocious;

You're entitled to your opinion and far be it from me to tell you you shouldn't think this way but I really wish you wouldn't say things like this in a matter of fact fashion. I personally think many English dubs nowadays are on par with their Japanese counter parts like One Piece and Naruto. It just seems like you're stating this opinion like it's common knowledge while I'm sure many would care to disagree with you.

[Innagadadavida]

Now, now... You can't imply I'm being unreasonable for simply saying that an English dub is barely passable and far inferior to the Japanese original, and then, in the same breath, state that the English dub is so good that only a divine intervention could improve it in any way. ^_^;

No, I'm honestly asking what the fuck you want out of an English dub to make it "passable" in your oh-so-humble opinion. Do you want good acting? Appropriate casting? True to the tone of the original? Accurate script? Oh wait, Bebop has all of that. And so do almost every goddamn dub that comes out this day and age. Now if its a matter of preferring the original because it's how it was intended to be watched or maybe you don't like localized phrasing/jokes or some other sense-making reason, then by all means go ahead and enjoy the subs. But don't go on and on about how all or most dubs are "atrocious." Because that's bullshit ignorance.

[Olivier Hague]

You're entitled to your opinion and far be it from me to tell you you shouldn't think this way but I really wish you wouldn't say things like this in a matter of fact fashion.

But you're OK with people saying that the English dub of Cowboy Bebop is great, period? What's the difference? ;þ

It just seems like you're stating this opinion like it's common knowledge while I'm sure many would care to disagree with you.

I wish it were common knowledge. :þ

[Herms]

No, I'm honestly asking what the fuck you want out of an English dub to make it "passable" in your oh-so-humble opinion.

He's certainly stating his opinion in a far humbler way than you are...