Do you think a DBZGT character is faster than sound?

Deep Thought · Post by **Deep Thought** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:53 pm

Goku in the Sayajin Saga beat that a long time ago. Snake Way is 1,000,000 kilometers long. Goku, after training with Kaio-sama, could travel that length in a day. Doing some quick math yields this.

Goku speed; 11,574 meters per second.

Speed of Sound; 343 meters per second.

That almost ends that discussion. DBZ-verse is an insanely powerful verse, especially if you go by the anime.

However, I discovered an interesting speed-scaling method. Look;

Goku (Pre-Roshi training); 11 meters per second. Based on the 100 meter challenge that Roshi assigned Goku and Kurrin.

Goku (Post-Roshi training); 18 meters per second. Based on Roshi's speed, since Goku was Roshi's equal in almost every way during the Tournament.

Goku (Beginning of DBZ); 64 meters per second. Based on Goku's Snake Way run.

Goku (Sayajin Arc); 11,574 meters per second. Based on Goku's Snake Way run.

Pretty interesting, eh?

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:53 pm

The answer is Yes.

As easy exmaple would be Gotenks flying around the Planet like 8 times in a few moments.

I'm more than sure any of the Z-warriors would more that fast easily.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:09 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:The answer is Yes.

As easy exmaple would be Gotenks flying around the Planet like 8 times in a few moments.

Well, actually, Gotenks defused very shortly after he stopped flying round the world. So however many times he did it, it took him about half an hour.

CashmanX · Post by **CashmanX** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:40 pm

Amigo Ten wrote:
LeprikanGT wrote:The answer is Yes.

As easy exmaple would be Gotenks flying around the Planet like 8 times in a few moments.
Well, actually, Gotenks defused very shortly after he stopped flying round the world. So however many times he did it, it took him about half an hour.

He took a nap after he flew around the world.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:47 pm

He flew off the Lookout and in "realtime" flew around the earth 8 or 9 times; landed on a rock and took a nap while Piccolo caught up with him.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:03 pm

Oh, he does say he took a nap. It still took Piccolo nearly half an hour to get to wherever Gotenks was though.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:30 pm

Deep Thought wrote: Goku (Pre-Roshi training); 11 meters per second. Based on the 100 meter challenge that Roshi assigned Goku and Kurrin.

Goku (Post-Roshi training); 18 meters per second. Based on Roshi's speed, since Goku was Roshi's equal in almost every way during the Tournament.

Goku (Beginning of DBZ); 64 meters per second. Based on Goku's Snake Way run.

Goku (Sayajin Arc); 11,574 meters per second. Based on Goku's Snake Way run.

Pretty interesting, eh?

Certainly indicates that there are some incredible advantages to the afterlife training!
(Which I suppose could be interpreted as "There are advantages to being the guy who has to save the day at the last minute!". Not that Toriyama couldn't have had Goku leave a little sooner and still have pulled that off. ^^ )

TriforceCaptre · Post by **TriforceCaptre** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:22 pm

To whomever keeps making these "Could so and so, do such and such?" topics and/or likes the discussions within them:
Y'ever read "The Physics of Super Heroes"? Just throwing it out there, I assume you would enjoy it.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:59 pm

TriforceCaptre wrote:To whomever keeps making these "Could so and so, do such and such?" topics and/or likes the discussions within them:
Y'ever read "The Physics of Super Heroes"? Just throwing it out there, I assume you would enjoy it.

Full of plagiarism errors in the Superman excerpt: the original Kryptonians were supermen because of evolution, not because of the gravity of Krypton. They had their powers on Krypton, too. They essentially evolved differently for two reasons: they've been evolving for millions of years longer than Earth's been around, AND because it had a higher gravity.

That aside, the idea does make for a somewhat interesting read.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:59 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:But seriously, jokes aside. Just put an end to this thread. We've already established that there is no answer.

Toriyama says Kinto'un is Mach 1.5. Gohan is faster. I think that's a pretty simple answer, pretty much from the author's mouth.

LeprikanGT wrote:He flew off the Lookout and in "realtime" flew around the earth 8 or 9 times; landed on a rock and took a nap while Piccolo caught up with him.

To be fair, in the manga you couldn't tell how many times he flew around the world or how long it took him. We also don't see him take the nap.

Post by **Herms** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:38 pm

Bussani wrote:Toriyama says Kinto'un is Mach 1.5. Gohan is faster. I think that's a pretty simple answer, pretty much from the author's mouth.

Well, it does assume that when Toriyama made Gohan faster than Kinto-un, that he still remembered he had made Kinto-un as fast as Arale, and Arale as fast as mach 1.5.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:49 pm

Herms wrote:
Bussani wrote:Toriyama says Kinto'un is Mach 1.5. Gohan is faster. I think that's a pretty simple answer, pretty much from the author's mouth.
Well, it does assume that when Toriyama made Gohan faster than Kinto-un, that he still remembered he had made Kinto-un as fast as Arale, and Arale as fast as mach 1.5.

He wrote it, he can't unwrote it!

Or can he?

lash · Post by **lash** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:05 am

They can probably surpass sound in speed by not light.

Of course disregarding goku's instantaneous movement.

And the question is pretty vague since the speed of sound depending on the medium can be actually as fast as c...in which no one in Z is capable of reaching with pure speed.

goku the krump dancer · Post by **goku the krump dancer** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:14 am

You know what I noticed? Theres plenty of characters that are faster than or equal to light speed. Weather it be Dragonball,DC,Marvel, or any other anime character. But since they are light speed than which character is faster than the speed of darkness? Remember that where ever light goes darkness was already there.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:26 am

goku the krump dancer wrote:You know what I noticed? Theres plenty of characters that are faster than or equal to light speed. Weather it be Dragonball,DC,Marvel, or any other anime character. But since they are light speed than which character is faster than the speed of darkness? Remember that where ever light goes darkness was already there.

Darkness doesn't really have a speed, but...if you really want to look at it that way, it's the same as the speed of light, since it's just an absence of light. That is, if you turn a light off, it takes the same amount of time for the absence of light to reach your eyes as it would take for the light to reach your eyes when you turned the light on in the first place.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:09 am

Deep Thought wrote:Goku in the Sayajin Saga beat that a long time ago. Snake Way is 1,000,000 kilometers long. Goku, after training with Kaio-sama, could travel that length in a day. Doing some quick math yields this.

Goku speed; 11,574 meters per second.

Speed of Sound; 343 meters per second.

That almost ends that discussion.

From the "Absolute Zero" thread:

Herms wrote: Nobody said anything about kilometers being fictional DragonBall units of measurement. But they are used throughout DragonBall, and Goodguy's point, I believe, was that the kilometers in DragonBall would presumably be the same as real-world kilometers. My point was that in DragonBall, kilometer distances are simply thrown out randomly, and don't form any sort of coherent framework for the distances involved in the story.

Discuss.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:26 pm

goku the krump dancer wrote:You know what I noticed? Theres plenty of characters that are faster than or equal to light speed. Weather it be Dragonball,DC,Marvel, or any other anime character. But since they are light speed than which character is faster than the speed of darkness? Remember that where ever light goes darkness was already there.

Barry Allen and Wally West technically went even faster than that in The "Final Crisis."

Of course, Final Crisis also assumes nothing prior to Week 52 of "52" and "Countdown" is canon. Stupid fucking Monitor race.

On-topic: Does DB have a race of beings beyond the Dai Kaioshin that monitor the parallel timeline/universes? Discuss!

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:58 pm

Dayspring wrote:On-topic: Does DB have a race of beings beyond the Dai Kaioshin that monitor the parallel timeline/universes? Discuss!

Wouldn't the parallel timelines just have parallel versions of the Kaio and Kaioshin too? Or maybe it's part of the Kaioshin's job, since they look after all of existence...cept the Demon Realm.

...Wait, how is this on topic?

smiley · Post by **smiley** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:00 am

Something very simple that shows that they are much faster than sound: Roshi can intercept machinegun bullets in close range (that are usually supersonic) but can't keep track of Goku's speed against Baba's fighters and on the 22nd budokai. Therefore, Goku must be multiple times the speed of those bullets for that to be possible.

Then, there's things like Tao being faster than his own pillar that can cover a country-wide area in less than 15 minutes, or Gotenks making "several dozens" of full circles around the planet in less than half an hour.

Yeah, they're faster than sound. I think the better question is if they're faster than light.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:18 am

smiley wrote:Yeah, they're faster than sound. I think the better question is if they're faster than light.

Light could circle the world and get back to where it started in something like 1.08 seconds. Unless it works differently in the Dragon Ball universe, but if that were the case, then wondering whether they were faster than light or not would be pointless.

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