The narrator is Kaiou?

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:48 am

Yeah, I know being played by the same voice actor doesn't mean they are the same character...

But, have you ever thought of the story being told to us from Kaiou's perspective and point of view?

After all, he is the lord of the Northen Galaxy, which includes the Earth.

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:44 am

Very unlikely, I'd think. Kaiou isn't always aware of what happens with Goku and didn't know anything about him until he reached his planet.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:33 am

It obviously was not intended, but I've always saw it like this, as personal thing.
The guy is a god, who trained Goku, and heled him out several times afterward.
The way he narrates his story, it really feels like we're being told this great epic story from him.
Like I say, completely opinionated, but it's always the way I felt.

Post by **Herms** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:33 pm

alakazam^ wrote:Very unlikely, I'd think. Kaiou isn't always aware of what happens with Goku and didn't know anything about him until he reached his planet.

He could be retelling the story long after it happened, for posterity I suppose. I made a post to that effect aways back:

Kaio's grandkid: Hey grandpa, whatever happened to your planet? And why are you dead?

Kaio: Well you see, when Goku teleported Cell to my planet, Cell-

Kaio's grandkid: Wait, what?

Kaio: Goku, a Saiyan I trained, who was fighting an android from the Red Ribbon Army-

Kaio's grandkid: What the hell are you talking about? Start at the beginning!

Kaio: Oh all right. *grumble grumble* But don't say I didn't warn you..."Long, long ago, deep in the mountains..."

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:08 pm

Herms wrote:
Kaio: Well you see, when Goku teleported Cell to my planet, Cell-

Kaio's grandkid: Wait, what?

Kaio: Goku, a Saiyan I trained, who was fighting an android from the Red Ribbon Army-

Kaio's grandkid: What the hell are you talking about? Start at the beginning!

Kaio: Oh all right. *grumble grumble* But don't say I didn't warn you..."Long, long ago, deep in the mountains..."

Oh man that is just perfect.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:20 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Herms wrote:
Kaio: Well you see, when Goku teleported Cell to my planet, Cell-

Kaio's grandkid: Wait, what?

Kaio: Goku, a Saiyan I trained, who was fighting an android from the Red Ribbon Army-

Kaio's grandkid: What the hell are you talking about? Start at the beginning!

Kaio: Oh all right. *grumble grumble* But don't say I didn't warn you..."Long, long ago, deep in the mountains..."
Oh man that is just perfect.

$3 says Kaio Jr then goes off to be a main character in the new game.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:15 pm

Wait... if Kaio-sama has grandkids... then... he laid an apple? O_o

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:17 pm

The Tori-bot wrote:Wait... if Kaio-sama has grandkids... then... he laid an apple? O_o

Aaaaaawwwww yeeeeaaaaaaah.

Post by **Herms** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:48 pm

The Tori-bot wrote:Wait... if Kaio-sama has grandkids... then... he laid an apple? O_o

Yeah, the notion of Kaio having a grandkid doesn't really make sense now that we know he's a member of an asexual race born from fruit. Just replace "Kaio's grandkid" with "young Shinjin", I guess.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:28 pm

The main thing I hated about King Kai and the narrator having the same voice is that it made the scene where Vegeta's getting his ass kicked by Frieza kinda confusing. I couldn't tell whether it was the narrator or King Kai talking.

Post by **Herms** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:38 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:The main thing I hated about King Kai and the narrator having the same voice is that it made the scene where Vegeta's getting his ass kicked by Freeza kinda confusing. I couldn't tell whether it was the narrator or King Kai talking.

I never had that problem with Z myself, but for some reason when watching Kai there were lots of times when I got confused over whether Kaio or the narrator was talking.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:59 pm

Herms wrote:
The Tori-bot wrote:Wait... if Kaio-sama has grandkids... then... he laid an apple? O_o
Yeah, the notion of Kaio having a grandkid doesn't really make sense now that we know he's a member of an asexual race born from fruit. Just replace "Kaio's grandkid" with "young Shinjin", I guess.

I don't see why he still couldn't be his 'grandfather', ala Gokû and Gohan.

RemiLeopold · Post by **RemiLeopold** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:02 pm

I've always had my own theory on this.

I'd always figured the DB Universe to be a story told from a grandfatherly-type to a child, and the reason Kaio has the narrators voice is because the narrator identifies with Kaio most, and wants to make the child laugh.

That's why the MOVIE ANNOUNCER narrator in the Funi dub always irked me. I always thought of the entire franchise to be a story told to you from a grandfatherly-type.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:27 pm

RemiLeopold wrote:.

That's why the MOVIE ANNOUNCER.

I'd say he sounds more like a monster truck announcer.

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:54 pm

I know that, but never paid attention when watching the show

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:56 am

Interestingly enough, the story mode of Sparking is voiced by Sean Schemmel's Kaiou in the dub track instead of their usuall narrator.

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:11 am

This kinda reminds me of Yu Yu Hakusho.
This was done for both the Japanese version and the Dub, but the Narrator is the same voice as the Blue Ogre who always hangs around Koenma. (His name is Jyoji IIRC, but don't quote me on that) and it's that way for the entire series.
Whenever Yusuke has a fight, you see Koenma and the Ogre watching on a video screen, and Koenma is shown able to pause and rewind it.

so then, on the second to last episode, Koenma hands the ogre a stack of Videos and says "Ogre, Edit these, add some Naration and we'll make a TV show out of this".

It was hysterical.

Maybe this is the same thing? XD
Nah, just kidding, but it is a pretty neat notion. The Idea of Kaio telling the "Legend of Son Goku" to someone is a neat Idea. It also lends itself to the final narration of "This is the Story as far as I can tell you, I can't say anymore. Of course the world would come under peril many times from now, but it will always be safe because it's protected by a great bunch of guys!" (Paraphrased since I don't wana Dig out the book)
It's like, that's Kaio saying that XD

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:13 am

DemonRin wrote:This kinda reminds me of Yu Yu Hakusho.
This was done for both the Japanese version and the Dub, but the Narrator is the same voice as the Blue Ogre who always hangs around Koenma.

That narrator voice in Yu Yu Hakusho is my most favourite from all the anime series, it's kinda sympathic for my ears don't know why..... I mean that Japanese one of course

russ869 · Post by **russ869** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:33 pm

Yeah, I like this idea. Because in a story such as this, an omniscient narrator is basically like God. And so in that sense it stands to reason that Kaiou-sama would be the narrator. But as someone already mentioned, while Kaiou is able observe a lot of things across long distances, he is not omniscient. And he almost certainly wasn't even aware of Gokuu's existence until after he died. Yet, he is still the narrator even from the beginning of the series. Clearly this doesn't mesh logically.

jjgp1112 wrote:The main thing I hated about King Kai and the narrator having the same voice is that it made the scene where Vegeta's getting his ass kicked by Freeza kinda confusing. I couldn't tell whether it was the narrator or King Kai talking.

Yeah, I seem to recall that being a problem on at least one occasion. Due the fact that Kaiou-sama likes to talk to himself all the time in a brooding manner. And also the fact that the narrator often expresses surprise and personality, such as when Trunks first appears: "W- What the...?! There's another Super Saiyan?!! Who is this boy who has miraculously cut Freeza clean in two?"

MCDaveG wrote:
DemonRin wrote:This kinda reminds me of Yu Yu Hakusho.
This was done for both the Japanese version and the Dub, but the Narrator is the same voice as the Blue Ogre who always hangs around Koenma.
That narrator voice in Yu Yu Hakusho is my most favourite from all the anime series, it's kinda sympathic for my ears don't know why..... I mean that Japanese one of course

Yeah, that series also had a good narration effect that helped setup the dramatic tension.

Post by **Herms** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:32 pm

DemonRin wrote:Whenever Yusuke has a fight, you see Koenma and the Ogre watching on a video screen, and Koenma is shown able to pause and rewind it.

so then, on the second to last episode, Koenma hands the ogre a stack of Videos and says "Ogre, Edit these, add some Naration and we'll make a TV show out of this".

There's also a point near the end, after the final tournament wraps up, where the narrator is giving the closing narration and suddenly it turns out to be Jorge/whatever, standing there talking to himself. Koenma asks him what the heck he's doing.