Are the Artificial Human Numbers Based on Their Strength?

DBZfan29 · Post by **DBZfan29** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:00 pm

I really don't care which artificial human is stronger than the others, but I would like to the answer to the question: Are the artificial humans numbers based on their strength?

Okay, so you can kind of assume that No. 17 is stronger than 18, and No. 18 is stronger than no. 19 and 20. Then, No. 16 is stronger than the others but wasn't complete (I remember the FUNi dub saying a few years ago he was the ultimate android or something, but I don't like the dub anymore and know it can be inaccurate at times). I guessed the lower numbering means they are stronger. Right?

Then I played the "what-if" story in Budokai Tenkaichi 3 where No. 16 went back in time. No. 8 said something like "8 time 2 is 16, so he's stronger." Again, this might be another dubbing error and it is just a what-if story (I mean, come on, we're getting a SSJ3 Broli for cryin' out loud!). So, who's the strongest? Lower numbered or higher numbered artificial humans? Since No. 8 appeared a while before Dr. Gero was mentioned in the series, should I just disregard him? Please help because I would like this mystery solved.

B · Post by B » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:01 pm

Watch Movie 7 for your answer.

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:02 pm

neither of them, they are from strongest to weakest Cell, 16, 18/17, 19/20, 8

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:02 pm

I would say their power and their number have nothing to with each other.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:04 pm

The Cybernetic Humans are numbered according to when they were made, I don't think it has anything to do with their strength.

DBZfan29 wrote: Then I played the "what-if" story in Budokai Tenkaichi 3 where No. 16 went back in time. No. 8 said something like "8 time 2 is 16, so he's stronger." Again, this might be another dubbing error and it is just a what-if story (I

I think that was just #8 being a goof, nothing to be taken too seriously.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:13 pm

Yeah, it's nothing to do with strength. If a few of the higher numbers are weaker, then it's just a coincidence. It's silly to think that #8 would be stronger than all of them.

DBZfan29 · Post by **DBZfan29** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:14 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:The Cybernetic Humans are numbered according to when they were made

So 8 was first I get that. Then 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. 20 and 19 were created first (presumably), then 17 and 18, and then 16 (since he wasn't complete). There's also 13-15, who were finished after everyone else. That would mean the number went up for 8 - never saw 9-12 - and then it went down from there. I'm confused...

B · Post by B » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:16 pm

DBZfan29 wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:The Cybernetic Humans are numbered according to when they were made
So 8 was first I get that. Then 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. 20 and 19 were created first (presumably), then 17 and 18, and then 16 (since he wasn't complete). There's also 13-15, who were finished after everyone else. That would mean the number went up for 8 - never saw 9-12 - and then it went down from there. I'm confused...

They were created in order, why would you think otherwise? Just because they appeared out of order... =/

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:16 pm

Why would you think 17 and 18 were built after 19 or 20? Or that 16 was incomplete and built last (unless I'm forgetting some major things here)?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:24 pm

DBZfan29 wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:The Cybernetic Humans are numbered according to when they were made
So 8 was first I get that. Then 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. 20 and 19 were created first (presumably), then 17 and 18, and then 16 (since he wasn't complete). There's also 13-15, who were finished after everyone else. That would mean the number went up for 8 - never saw 9-12 - and then it went down from there. I'm confused...

They were built in the order they're numbered. The Android chart kinda shows this.

16 was left inactive because Gero thought he was a failure. 17 and 18 he was reluctant to use because he couldn't control them, and was still trying to get them under control I suppose.

To put it very simply, they were named when he started building them, not when he finished building them.

Post by **Herms** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:42 am

And we now 19 was built before 20 because he was the one who converted Gero into 20 (or at least 17 and 18 assume as much).

DBZfan29 wrote:(I remember the FUNi dub saying a few years ago he was the ultimate android or something, but I don't like the dub anymore and know it can be inaccurate at times).

Well, in the original story (ie excluding movie 7 and GT), 16 is the strongest out of all the numbered androids. But then of course Cell's ultimately much stronger.

Shoryuken · Post by **Shoryuken** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:34 am

Herms wrote:And we now 19 was built before 20 because he was the one who converted Gero into 20 (or at least 17 and 18 assume as much).

DBZfan29 wrote:(I remember the FUNi dub saying a few years ago he was the ultimate android or something, but I don't like the dub anymore and know it can be inaccurate at times).
Well, in the original story (ie excluding movie 7 and GT), 16 is the strongest out of all the numbered androids. But then of course Cell's ultimately much stronger.

How does #13 then rank?

Post by **Herms** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:41 am

Shoryuken wrote:How does #13 then rank?

I don't think there's anything to really judge that on.

Yamcha_krillin · Post by **Yamcha_krillin** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:37 am

Shoryuken wrote:
Herms wrote:And we now 19 was built before 20 because he was the one who converted Gero into 20 (or at least 17 and 18 assume as much).

DBZfan29 wrote:(I remember the FUNi dub saying a few years ago he was the ultimate android or something, but I don't like the dub anymore and know it can be inaccurate at times).
Well, in the original story (ie excluding movie 7 and GT), 16 is the strongest out of all the numbered androids. But then of course Cell's ultimately much stronger.
How does #13 then rank?

Weaker then Android 17,16 and 18 but stronger then 14 and 15 by a bit.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:04 pm

Shoryuken wrote:
Herms wrote:And we now 19 was built before 20 because he was the one who converted Gero into 20 (or at least 17 and 18 assume as much).

DBZfan29 wrote:(I remember the FUNi dub saying a few years ago he was the ultimate android or something, but I don't like the dub anymore and know it can be inaccurate at times).
Well, in the original story (ie excluding movie 7 and GT), 16 is the strongest out of all the numbered androids. But then of course Cell's ultimately much stronger.
How does #13 then rank?

#13, #14, and #15 were considered too flawed to repair, so presumably substancially weaker than #16, #17, and #18. Since they struggled with them in movie 7, I'd say stronger than #19 and #20, though.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:19 pm

Shoryuken wrote:
Herms wrote:And we now 19 was built before 20 because he was the one who converted Gero into 20 (or at least 17 and 18 assume as much).

DBZfan29 wrote:(I remember the FUNi dub saying a few years ago he was the ultimate android or something, but I don't like the dub anymore and know it can be inaccurate at times).
Well, in the original story (ie excluding movie 7 and GT), 16 is the strongest out of all the numbered androids. But then of course Cell's ultimately much stronger.
How does #13 then rank?

Assuming that Goku, Vegeta and Trunks are at the same strength in this movie as they are in the Android Saga, #13 would be equal to Super Saiyan Goku, who, in the manga, is at about the same level of strength as Super Saiyan Vegeta, who was beaten by #18. This would mean that #13 is weaker than #18, who is weaker than #17, who is weaker than #16. Since #14 and #15 are also somewhat weaker than SSJ Trunks and SSJ Vegeta, as is implied in the movie, they would have to be considerably weaker than #13, since #13 is implied to be the leader and while Goku was unable to defeat #13, #15 was destroyed by SSJ Vegeta, who, I repeat, is at about the same level of strength as SSJ Goku. #19 and #20 are both weaker than SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta, so they would probably be weaker than #14 and #15. Keep in mind that #15 gave SSJ Vegeta some trouble before he was destroyed.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:40 pm

Bussani wrote:
DBZfan29 wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:The Cybernetic Humans are numbered according to when they were made
So 8 was first I get that. Then 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. 20 and 19 were created first (presumably), then 17 and 18, and then 16 (since he wasn't complete). There's also 13-15, who were finished after everyone else. That would mean the number went up for 8 - never saw 9-12 - and then it went down from there. I'm confused...
They were built in the order they're numbered. The Android chart kinda shows this.

<snip>

16 was left inactive because Gero thought he was a failure. 17 and 18 he was reluctant to use because he couldn't control them, and was still trying to get them under control I suppose.

To put it very simply, they were named when he started building them, not when he finished building them.

I only just now remembered the dub-line that confuses this...
As I recall, Dr. Gero, when trying to prevent #18 from releasing #16, says that "I haven't completed him yet. If you activate him, he might malfunction.". I got the impression he was BS-ing to discourage #16's release, so never considered if it was true or not (kinda got the impression it wasn't from Gero's attitude).

While on the subject, either #17 or #18 mentions that Gero destroyed "all the other androids up to 15" and asks why #16 was kept. The Buu saga anime reveals that #8 isn't included among the destroyed, but the part of this that I'm more interested in verifying is the implication that #16 was kept around for some reason when the others weren't.

Post by **Herms** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:29 pm

caejones wrote:The Buu saga anime reveals that #8 isn't included among the destroyed,

#8 is shown in the manga at that point as well.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:41 pm

caejones wrote:
Bussani wrote:
DBZfan29 wrote: So 8 was first I get that. Then 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. 20 and 19 were created first (presumably), then 17 and 18, and then 16 (since he wasn't complete). There's also 13-15, who were finished after everyone else. That would mean the number went up for 8 - never saw 9-12 - and then it went down from there. I'm confused...
They were built in the order they're numbered. The Android chart kinda shows this.

<snip>

16 was left inactive because Gero thought he was a failure. 17 and 18 he was reluctant to use because he couldn't control them, and was still trying to get them under control I suppose.

To put it very simply, they were named when he started building them, not when he finished building them.
I only just now remembered the dub-line that confuses this...
As I recall, Dr. Gero, when trying to prevent #18 from releasing #16, says that "I haven't completed him yet. If you activate him, he might malfunction.". I got the impression he was BS-ing to discourage #16's release, so never considered if it was true or not (kinda got the impression it wasn't from Gero's attitude).

While on the subject, either #17 or #18 mentions that Gero destroyed "all the other androids up to 15" and asks why #16 was kept. The Buu saga anime reveals that #8 isn't included among the destroyed, but the part of this that I'm more interested in verifying is the implication that #16 was kept around for some reason when the others weren't.

I assumed #17/#18 did not know about #8's existence, which is probably why he/she made the mistake of saying that Dr. Gero destroyed all androids up to 15. Maybe #16 was kept for the same reasons as #17 and #18: he thought he'd be able to keep them under control if he improved them and he could later use them to kill Goku.

#8 is shown in the manga towards the end of the Majin Boo Saga, but he wouldn't have been destroyed anyway, since he stayed at Jingle Village with the other villagers after General White's defeat.

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:36 pm

This looks like he even built the Pirate robot for pirates (on the right)..... http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/File:MaybeJinzo3.jpg

But yeah I know! He only did those shown in the chapter pic in manga))))