Cell's Genki-Dama Claim

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:47 am

In the manga, Cell claims that he could perform a Genki-Dama if he wanted to, due to the cells he obtained from Son Goku. He never does demonstrate the ability to perform the Genki-Dama though.

However, this has been a long debated topic as to whether this was a bluff or Cell could actually perform the Genki-Dama. In the Budokai and Budokai Tenkaichi games, the Genki-Dama is included as one of Perfect Cell's moves. Apparently, one must be pure of heart to perform the Genki-Dama (where does this come from again? Forgive me if I'm wrong), although pure evil of heart may also be considered.

So, what do you think?

Shoryuken · Post by **Shoryuken** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:56 am

Was this in the manga? I just can't remember reading it.
Anyway if it's true then it's probably Cell acting just a tad too megalomanic.
This could however be blamed on Toriyama's usual forgetfulness

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:10 am

Shoryuken wrote:Was this in the manga? I just can't remember reading it.
Anyway if it's true then it's probably Cell acting just a tad too megalomanic.
This could however be blamed on Toriyama's usual forgetfulness

DBZ Volume 15
Tale 170: Cell Laughs Last
Page 39

"I could probably do a Genki-Dama too if I felt like it."

Cell says this in response to Kuririn's surprise at the fact that he can perform the Kamehameha. Cell does say "probably" though.

Shoryuken · Post by **Shoryuken** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:55 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
Shoryuken wrote:Was this in the manga? I just can't remember reading it.
Anyway if it's true then it's probably Cell acting just a tad too megalomanic.
This could however be blamed on Toriyama's usual forgetfulness
DBZ Volume 15
Tale 170: Cell Laughs Last
Page 39

"I could probably do a Genki-Dama too if I felt like it."

Cell says this in response to Kuririn's surprise at the fact that he can perform the Kamehameha. Cell does say "probably" though.

I see. Then it's probably just a product of Toriyama's forgetfulness.
If Cell somehow was to use the genkidama would it then be of evil ki?

Post by **Herms** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:16 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Apparently, one must be pure of heart to perform the Genki-Dama (where does this come from again? Forgive me if I'm wrong),

I think that's only mentioned in DBZ movie 7, though Gohan is able to bounce back the Genki-Dama during the fight with Vegeta because he doesn't have an evil heart, or some such thing.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:16 pm

Herms wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Apparently, one must be pure of heart to perform the Genki-Dama (where does this come from again? Forgive me if I'm wrong),
I think that's only mentioned in DBZ movie 7, though Gohan is able to bounce back the Genki-Dama during the fight with Vegeta because he doesn't have an evil heart, or some such thing.

Yeah, this was one of Krillin's faulty rules, the kind that get mentioned by someone of no authority on the matter (himself) the instant said rule is being broken.

In the manga, goodness/pure-hearted people can deflect the attack. This just means bad people can't block it, not that they can't use it or that good people are immune to it.

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:18 pm

To Cell's defence, in the games he gathers a Genkidama made from "stupid energy", so I guess that's how it works.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:47 pm

DNA wrote:To Cell's defence, in the games he gathers a Genkidama made from "stupid energy", so I guess that's how it works.

Man, an attack which harnesses the power of stupidity...that would be unstoppable.

Cold Skin · Post by **Cold Skin** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:58 pm

Cell does say he "probably" could, as said in one of the previous posts. He gets his datas from the spy robot, meaning he probably saw the move, the words, and judges he can do it, but maybe he doesn't know he's supposed to be pure of heart according to the anime.

In the manga, it is never stated one has to have a pure heart. When Gohan bounces the ball back, Goku just say it's because the energy is "on their side" as far as I remember. Meaning if a bad guy did it, any bad guy could bounce it back too since it would be "on their side" this time.

Sure, the user does ask energy so that he can protect the planet. But many possibilities arise from there: a bad guy could just pretend to have pure intentions when asking, and would the planet and element be able to sense that he's not. Are they even "concious", do they really have a choice about giving their energy, wouldn't they just do it even if he said "give me that stupid energy"? Humans have the choice, but is nature really something conscious to the point of realizing and judging what's wrong and what's good, who's lying and who's not? Isn't it just offering all of its beauty and its services to everybody regardless of how good or evil they are? Aren't Goku's words just a respect formula that he wouldn't even need to say? Did he really have to say those words on Kaio's planet too, since we only see him remaining silent, but the gathering has already started when the scene begins? Mmm... Many things to think over...

Anyway, the point is, Cell THINKS he could do it, but implies he's not even sure himself, it's just a guess in the end!

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:53 pm

Cold Skin wrote:Cell does say he "probably" could, as said in one of the previous posts. He gets his datas from the spy robot, meaning he probably saw the move, the words, and judges he can do it, but maybe he doesn't know he's supposed to be pure of heart according to the anime.

It's more than that. From what I remember, the anime heavily implies Cell has the memories of those whose DNA he inherits, up to the time they sweat/bled it off. If it weren't for Gero's computer recordings which essentially raised him, he'd probably be a poor, confused bug with Dissociative identity disorder (in other words, a green skitso). Now that's a video game What If waiting to happen!

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:41 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:From what I remember, the anime heavily implies Cell has the memories of those whose DNA he inherits, up to the time they sweat/bled it off.

Because memories are stored in the DNA.

Freeza Heika · Post by **Freeza Heika** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:49 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Conan the SSJ wrote:From what I remember, the anime heavily implies Cell has the memories of those whose DNA he inherits, up to the time they sweat/bled it off.
Because memories are stored in the DNA.

It depends on your source. If we're asking every movie to ever involve cloning, then yes; if we're asking someone who knows what they're talking about, no.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:51 pm

Rocketman wrote:Because memories are stored in the DNA.

That certainly seems to be the logic behind Cell using Freeza's moves, as dumb as that is by real world standards.

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:54 pm

People are always blaming me D:

Post by **Herms** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:56 pm

DNA wrote:People are always blaming me D:

Hey, you wouldn't happen to have the memory of where I left my keys stored in you, would ya?

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:40 am

Rocketman wrote:
Conan the SSJ wrote:From what I remember, the anime heavily implies Cell has the memories of those whose DNA he inherits, up to the time they sweat/bled it off.
Because memories are stored in the DNA.

And this is why you don't apply science to DBZ.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:59 am

mAcChaos wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Conan the SSJ wrote:From what I remember, the anime heavily implies Cell has the memories of those whose DNA he inherits, up to the time they sweat/bled it off.
Because memories are stored in the DNA.
And this is why you don't apply science to DBZ.

But DBZ is applying science to itself by mentioning DNA at all.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:17 am

Herms wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Because memories are stored in the DNA.
That certainly seems to be the logic behind Cell using Freeza's moves, as dumb as that is by real world standards.

I guess one could argue he saw them use those techniques, courtesy of the spy robot.

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:41 am

Rocketman wrote:Because memories are stored in the DNA.

If so, why he was surprised when he saw Piccolo regenerates his arm? Shouldn't he know already that he can regenerate without being told by someone else?

Cold Skin · Post by **Cold Skin** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:17 am

SHINOBI-03 wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Because memories are stored in the DNA.
If so, why he was surprised when he saw Piccolo regenerates his arm? Shouldn't he know already that he can regenerate without being told by someone else?

That's a good point, I really think as I said that he knows about what the spy robot could see, that's why he can still be surprised.

Now it's true that Freezer never shot his special "finger beams" (I know it's not the real way, but I guess anyone can see what it is that way). He may have found his "Freezer abilities" on his own, or it may come to him instinctively since it seems to be pretty natural to fire those for Freezer, not like it would be a specific technic that needs to be "learned" but rather some way of shooting that his body offers naturally, just a kind of blast specific to his nature. But of course, that's just a guess, there's no proof of what I'm saying.

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