FUNimation Dragon Box Z #1 (In-Hands) Discussion

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:26 am

Has anyone posted any (Correct by GoC's standards) Japanese DBox shots to compare to the correct FUNi ones we have?

tinlunlau · Post by **tinlunlau** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:47 am

i checked the Canadian Best Buy ad again and I stand corrected here.
It costs $59.99 plus tax in Canada. Not $57.99 plus tax.

So just a heads-up for Torontonians out there.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:48 am

DemonRin wrote:Has anyone posted any (Correct by GoC's standards) Japanese DBox shots to compare to the correct FUNi ones we have?

The only comparison shots I've seen were for color only, not quality. TanookiKuribo posted them pages ago. It was a side-by-side-by-side-by-side shot from Pioneer to DBox.

hunterxhunter21 · Post by **hunterxhunter21** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:51 am

Kendamu wrote:
DemonRin wrote:Has anyone posted any (Correct by GoC's standards) Japanese DBox shots to compare to the correct FUNi ones we have?
The only comparison shots I've seen were for color only, not quality. TanookiKuribo posted them pages ago. It was a side-by-side-by-side-by-side shot from Pioneer to DBox.

Found on page 38 to save you the hunting time.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:55 am

Thanks. By the way, I've noticed that on my TV the Dragon Box skin tones aren't as pink as the GoC Certified screencaps I normally see. I have an AOC Envision HDMI TV (like 22" or 24" or something) and I'm playing the DVDs on my PS3 with upscaling set to "Normal" (so it comes out as 4:3). The colors don't look "off" to me at all, but the skin tone looks a bit more like the skin tone you normally see in most other Dragonball-related media.

I don't plan on "fixing" it anytime soon. Looks great to me. Just thought I'd bring it up.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:58 am

Kendamu wrote:Thanks. By the way, I've noticed that on my TV the Dragon Box skin tones aren't as pink as the GoC Certified screencaps I normally see. I have an AOC Envision HDMI TV (like 22" or 24" or something) and I'm playing the DVDs on my PS3 with upscaling set to "Normal" (so it comes out as 4:3). The colors don't look "off" to me at all, but the skin tone looks a bit more like the skin tone you normally see in most other Dragonball-related media.

I don't plan on "fixing" it anytime soon. Looks great to me. Just thought I'd bring it up.

That is mostly due to the fact that even with a picture perfect PNG, every monitor is setup to display things differently.

You can attempt to fix this via calibration (and many people would argue it's necessary) but if you don't care, it's not worth your time (although it will make most things look quite prettier.)

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:04 am

godofchaos wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Thanks. By the way, I've noticed that on my TV the Dragon Box skin tones aren't as pink as the GoC Certified screencaps I normally see. I have an AOC Envision HDMI TV (like 22" or 24" or something) and I'm playing the DVDs on my PS3 with upscaling set to "Normal" (so it comes out as 4:3). The colors don't look "off" to me at all, but the skin tone looks a bit more like the skin tone you normally see in most other Dragonball-related media.

I don't plan on "fixing" it anytime soon. Looks great to me. Just thought I'd bring it up.
That is mostly due to the fact that even with a picture perfect PNG, every monitor is setup to display things differently.

You can attempt to fix this via calibration (and many people would argue it's necessary) but if you don't care, it's not worth your time (although it will make most things look quite prettier.)

Thanks. I might play around with it just to learn more about my TV and its various settings, but at this point what I'm seeing now is absolutely awesome.

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:07 am

Kendamu wrote:
DemonRin wrote:Has anyone posted any (Correct by GoC's standards) Japanese DBox shots to compare to the correct FUNi ones we have?
The only comparison shots I've seen were for color only, not quality. TanookiKuribo posted them pages ago. It was a side-by-side-by-side-by-side shot from Pioneer to DBox.

No, I mean FUNi DBox to JAPANESE DBox comparison, not Pioneer -> FUNi Single -> Orange Brick -> DBox

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:09 am

I don't think anyone has, but theoretically they're the exact same footage. I'd like to see a side-by-side, too, though. It was said that the differences between the two would be negligible.

hunterxhunter21 · Post by **hunterxhunter21** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:10 am

DemonRin wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
DemonRin wrote:Has anyone posted any (Correct by GoC's standards) Japanese DBox shots to compare to the correct FUNi ones we have?
The only comparison shots I've seen were for color only, not quality. TanookiKuribo posted them pages ago. It was a side-by-side-by-side-by-side shot from Pioneer to DBox.
No, I mean FUNi DBox to JAPANESE DBox comparison, not Pioneer -> FUNi Single -> Orange Brick -> DBox

There was one WAY back. But godofchaos said something was wrong with them. I don't remember any others coming up.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:39 am

DBZfan29 wrote:
Big Momma wrote:
Raki wrote:I think my Dragonbox looks awesome on my desk. Anybody else think so?
I think I'm just gonna wait till this bad boy is around $30 at Wal-Mart to purchase it. Plus, I'm a little low on cash...with Modern Warfare 2 and Raging Blast coming out tomorrow...
Around $30... it's going for $67 in Wal-mart now, do you really think it's going to drop to $30 any time soon?

Give it time, mah boi, give it time...it'll at least be at around $40 by the time spring rolls around. I still have to finish my DragonBall Season One set/GT Sets, so those can bind me over 'till then.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:40 am

hunterxhunter21 wrote:
DemonRin wrote:
Kendamu wrote: The only comparison shots I've seen were for color only, not quality. TanookiKuribo posted them pages ago. It was a side-by-side-by-side-by-side shot from Pioneer to DBox.
No, I mean FUNi DBox to JAPANESE DBox comparison, not Pioneer -> FUNi Single -> Orange Brick -> DBox
There was one WAY back. But godofchaos said something was wrong with them. I don't remember any others coming up.

Found the caps as posted in the threads...

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll24 ... enFUNi.jpg (this was the one used in the 'comparison')

And from when Haseo went back and redid it http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/792/dboxraditz05.png

Colors are different (can't say for sure which is proper, as even Haseo has pointed out his drivers have had issues, so it's possible his colors are off.)

The original is resolution reduced.

And it's jpg compressed.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:41 am

Right! Now I remember those! Yeah... not really enough of a difference to care. Really, I don't see a difference.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:44 am

There really shouldn't be any difference to make comparison shots with, should there? I mean, FUNi is using the exact same DBox footage that Japan got, right? The only difference should be in the packaging.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:45 am

Kendamu wrote:Right! Now I remember those! Yeah... not really enough of a difference to care. Really, I don't see a difference.

Not proper for a comparison regardless...

especially by you (no offense, if you don't notice the difference, you don't notice it... but it's there, and more than obvious in a few places: few easy places to spot, left side around where the hair meets the skin, and also look at his left eyebrow [left as in the left side of the picture]).

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:49 am

Big Momma wrote:There really shouldn't be any difference to make comparison shots with, should there? I mean, FUNi is using the exact same DBox footage that Japan got, right? The only difference should be in the packaging.

We went over this in the podcast.

Using the same footage doesn't, and never was likely, to mean they are just 'pasting' in the DVD copies from the Japanese box.

It was never expected to be identical to the Japanese boxes.

Especially with mpeg2 (codec dvd uses), if you set an encoder to work exactly the same, and fed it the same material, you'd get different output every time.

It'll help a few of you if you listen to podcast 184 (many of the numbers were based on random guesses, or using logical math based on what we knew at the time, but will help explain some of what was expected.)

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:49 am

godofchaos wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Right! Now I remember those! Yeah... not really enough of a difference to care. Really, I don't see a difference.
Not proper for a comparison regardless...

especially by you (no offense, if you don't notice the difference, you don't notice it... but it's there, and more than obvious in a few places: few easy places to spot, left side around where the hair meets the skin, and also look at his left eyebrow [left as in the left side of the picture]).

Maybe more than obvious to you and whatnot, but I'm the guy who won't even "fix" his TV to make it look exactly like the screens I've seen because it already looks so fantasmo that I don't wanna touch it.

No offense, but your Nerd Level is just that much higher than mine.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:51 am

Kendamu wrote: Maybe more than obvious to you and whatnot, but I'm the guy who won't even "fix" his TV to make it look exactly like the screens I've seen because it already looks so fantasmo that I don't wanna touch it.

No offense, but your Nerd Level is just that much higher than mine.

Never said you had to fix your TV, most people don't.

I'm one of the more calmer ones actually. I know at least 3 people who have sheets of calibration data written down involving specific studio processes, authoring houses, etc. And they redo the settings for each movie.

But regardless, you can't do a real comparison with screencaps that have a reduced resolution, and are heavily compressed.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:56 am

godofchaos wrote:Never said you had to fix your TV, most people don't.

That's not what I was implying. You're a nerd and you're an ass, but you at least don't tell people what to do with their TV when they don't ask for it.

I'm one of the more calmer ones actually. I know at least 3 people who have sheets of calibration data written down involving specific studio processes, authoring houses, etc. And they redo the settings for each movie.

I get'cha. Not on the same lines, but I know much worse nerds than you. I read the Superhero Hype forums and I'm a Ninja Turtles fan.

*shudders*

But regardless, you can't do a real comparison with screencaps that have a reduced resolution, and are heavily compressed.

I know, but what you posted (from earlier in the thread) just a moment ago is pretty much all we have to go on so that's what I'm gonna use until something better shows up.

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:07 am

That image of the Japanese DBox isn't the right resolution, so it's not "Proper"...

God this is so confusing...

Comparing the two images at different resolutions is wrong, if one has been compressed down, to properly compare you have to compress the other, and then it's not "Proper" as godofchaos says... so why is ANYONE comparing?

We need two images of the same frame at the same resolution with the same compression, both taken "Properly" from GoC's standards.

One image from the Japanese DBox, one from the FUNi one...