FUNimation Dragon Box Z #1 (In-Hands) Discussion

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:59 pm

G1Ravage wrote:.....Wow.

I'm through Piccolo's death and Goku's arrival, and I can't remember ever feeling so emotionally attached to what was going on. The music was just so powerful.

It's parts of the series like this that make me wonder if the people who swear by the dub voices and music need to have their heads examined. The Dragon Box is definitely going to be my pick for best anime purchase of the year. The picture during action scenes is superb. Everything is so clear, and the colors so smooth.

Gonna post this at TZ?

Reading this really makes me want to watch through the series!!

But yeah...I ran to Target on the off-chance they have this (for the love of God, their site said it!!) but was sorely dissapointed.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:59 pm

TheSonofKakarrot wrote:Yeah unless I have a defective copy which I doubt, there's no way this set is 2 channel mono. Because my surround sound has never done this. I might pop in a FUNi DVD just to be certain but I only get sound out of the center speaker when normally its two. Its decoding this disc as one channel mono.

EDIT: Just checked the display while playing the disc and it says "Dolby Digital 1 Ch. 48khz 96kbps."

Did I get jipped or something? Is it just the first disc that was encoded in 1 channel mono? Or should I go back to bestbuy tomm?

So just so I can understand.

You are complaining that your set with mono Japanese audio has mono audio?

Maybe you are looking for the 5.1 dub. Hit 'audio' on your remote.

May I suggest checking about the things you wish to purchase before you spend the money on them...

TheSonofKakarrot · Post by **TheSonofKakarrot** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:04 am

godofchaos wrote:
TheSonofKakarrot wrote:Yeah unless I have a defective copy which I doubt, there's no way this set is 2 channel mono. Because my surround sound has never done this. I might pop in a FUNi DVD just to be certain but I only get sound out of the center speaker when normally its two. Its decoding this disc as one channel mono.

EDIT: Just checked the display while playing the disc and it says "Dolby Digital 1 Ch. 48khz 96kbps."

Did I get jipped or something? Is it just the first disc that was encoded in 1 channel mono? Or should I go back to bestbuy tomm?
So just so I can understand.

You are complaining that your set with mono Japanese audio has mono audio?

Maybe you are looking for the 5.1 dub. Hit 'audio' on your remote.

No, I am complaining that it is not a 2 channel Mono that the FUni discs were. I could have sworn the Japense DBOx was Dobly Digital 2.0 Mono, meaning the audio is emitted from both speakers. This is a single channel mono meaning its only coming from the center speaker.

Just to break it down more:

On the previous discs, despite being mono, it was a two channel mono meaning audio comes from both speakers. This is what was indicated by my surround sound receiver whenever playing the discs. There is an image of "L" and "R" meaning the audio decoded is from both speakers despite being in mono. For the Dragonbox however, it just says "C" and the audio only comes from the center channel.

What I want to make sure is that this is indeed how the DBox was encoded. I could have sworn MajinVegetaXV stating his Japanese DBOX was a 2 channell mono, which was the same as FUNi's DVD's.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:09 am

TheSonofKakarrot wrote:What I want to make sure is that this is indeed how the DBox was encoded. I could have sworn MajinVegetaXV stating his Japanese DBOX was a 2 channell mono, which was the same as FUNi's DVD's.

The DragonBoxes are, indeed, 2 channel mono. I was just watching part of the Goku/Vegeta fight from the Saiyajin arc. Is it the same with all of the discs in the set? I'm surprised no one has caught it if this isn't some error with your setup and in fact a problem with the discs, but it wouldn't be FUNi's first audio flub in recent memory.

-Corey

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:09 am

TheSonofKakarrot wrote: No, I am complaining that it is not a 2 channel Mono that the FUni discs were. I could have sworn the Japense DBOx was Dobly Digital 2.0 Mono, meaning the audio is emitted from both speakers. This is a single channel mono meaning its only coming from the center speaker.

Just to break it down more:

On the previous discs, despite being mono, it was a two channel mono meaning audio comes from both speakers. This is what was indicated by my surround sound receiver whenever playing the discs. There is an image of "L" and "R" meaning the audio decoded is from both speakers despite being in mono. For the Dragonbox however, it just says "C" and the audio only comes from the center channel.

What I want to make sure is that this is indeed how the DBox was encoded. I could have sworn MajinVegetaXV stating his Japanese DBOX was a 2 channell mono, which was the same as FUNi's DVD's.

Dual channel Mono has a tendency to not actually work, because it's basically attempting to 'force' the disk to output stereo audio when non exists.

Few discs use it, and to complain that mono audio is 1 channel is sort of dumb.

You are basically complaining that they are giving you mono audio, when all they ever promised was mono.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:10 am

Innagadadavida wrote:I just got a job at Wal-Mart so I'll be getting a DISCOUNT on this stuff! Wooo! Not to mention free site-to-store so I can get any DVD or game I want at Wal-Mart's price minus fifteen percent.

"The only way he could be a bigger whore for [Wal-Mart] right now is if he got it tattoo'd on his ass."
- DBZA King Kai

Dragon Box, Dragon Ball Season 2, Raging Blast, and One Piece S2V4 HERE I COME!!!

Welcome to first class slavery. But at least you have a job. The discount is okay, at least for the DVDs you'll be buying.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:12 am

DBZfan29 wrote: You just have to be a smart ass all the time, don't you? I'm not a big tech person, but I understood what he was saying - sound won't come out left and right speakers on MONO track.

I'm just quoting this to save it for posterity, because it may in fact be the dumbest comment I have ever seen anyone make.

I say one of the dumbest, because I once heard someone compliment the dub GT theme in a non ironic way.

email2003 · Post by **email2003** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:13 am

G1Ravage wrote:.....Wow.

I'm through Piccolo's death and Goku's arrival, and I can't remember ever feeling so emotionally attached to what was going on. The music was just so powerful.

It's parts of the series like this that make me wonder if the people who swear by the dub voices and music need to have their heads examined. The Dragon Box is definitely going to be my pick for best anime purchase of the year. The picture during action scenes is superb. Everything is so clear, and the colors so smooth.

Yes, yes, and YES! The Japanese BGM does the series justice. It's moments like this and others that make the FUNi BGM crap.

TheSonofKakarrot · Post by **TheSonofKakarrot** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:18 am

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
The DragonBoxes are, indeed, 2 channel mono. I was just watching part of the Goku/Vegeta fight from the Saiyajin arc. Is it the same with all of the discs in the set? I'm surprised no one has caught it if this isn't some error with your setup and in fact a problem with the discs, but it wouldn't be FUNi's first audio flub in recent memory.

-Corey

Thank you Corey. Glad someone understands. I am not certain if its with all the discs in this set as I am watching them in order but I'm going to pop in disc 2 just to give it a looksie. I knew I wasn't going crazy because I used to read your comments in depth in regards to the DBox comparisons of the FUni Widescreen DVD's. Seems weird that FUNi would mess this up when all of their DVD's including the original 3 episode--24.99 discs had 2 channel mono. I'm going to check right now

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:19 am

TheSonofKakarrot wrote: And people wonder why the DB community is so ridiculed. Keep up the great work. You are doing a phenomenal job.

I'm actually watching a few tech guys laugh at you and dummy over there.

The DBZ community is generally ridiculed because the fans act like little kids who have little to know idea what they are talking about.

ultimateemail5000 · Post by **ultimateemail5000** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:29 am

No, I CRAVE ATTENTION! Sorry I just had to do it. It took me about 3 days to finish this set. It's such a shame these didnt come out in 07. Is anybody elses box on the bottom kind of peeling off? Mine started this like the day I got it. I need glue, glue to huff, then fix the box.

CashmanX · Post by **CashmanX** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:32 am

ultimateemail5000 wrote:No, I CRAVE ATTENTION! Sorry I just had to do it. It took me about 3 days to finish this set. It's such a shame these didnt come out in 07. Is anybody elses box on the bottom kind of peeling off? Mine started this like the day I got it. I need glue, glue to huff, then fix the box.

Yeah, Mine is too... But, The Japanese Dragon boxes were like that as well. My JPN Dragonbox's top is starting to peel off.

TheSonofKakarrot · Post by **TheSonofKakarrot** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:32 am

For the record, I checked 4 discs and all of them are single channel mono and not the 2 channel like the FUni DVD's and Japanese DBOX. I guess thats another "fault" with this release unless someone can prove otherwise. I highly doubt this is an error on 4 discs.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:33 am

TheSonofKakarrot wrote:I knew I wasn't going crazy because I used to read your comments in depth in regards to the DBox comparisons of the FUni Widescreen DVD's. Seems weird that FUNi would mess this up when all of their DVD's including the original 3 episode--24.99 discs had 2 channel mono. I'm going to check right now

While I'm not sure why it would be different here than on other discs that are 2 channel mono, is it possible that your receiver is trying to apply some form of Dolby Pro Logic processing and moving all of the audio into your center channel? You may want to set your receiver on a dedicated mono mode (or maybe a 'Pure' mode, that's what I use on my Denon).

I'm not an expert like GoC, but...well, I'll just leave that there

-Corey

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:34 am

I love watching my Dragonbox with subs. To be honest, I'm still awestruck. Thanks Funimation.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:35 am

Channel Mode
This parameter defines the number of full bandwidth audio channels being encoded. Available modes depend upon the selected Data Rate and Sample Rate parameters. The Data Rate parameter can be manually adjusted from 56 to 640 kbps, or if Automatic is selected, the appropriate data rate for the desired channel mode is automatically set.
The available parameters are: • 1+1 Dual Mono (Ch. 1, Ch. 2 encoded)
Note: 1+1 is not valid for DTV or DVD. • 1/0 Mono (C encoded, Auto = 96 kbps) • 2/0 Stereo (L/R or Lt/Rt; Auto = 192 kbps) • 3/0 (L, C, R; Auto = 256 kbps) • 2/1 (L, R, Ls; Auto = 256 kbps) • 3/1 (L, C, R, Ls; Auto = 320 kbps) • 2/2 (L, R ,Ls, Rs; Auto = 320 kbps) • 3/2 (L, C, R, Ls, Rs; Auto = 384 kbps or 448 kbps)

Quoted from one of the Dolby professional quick start guides.

Once again, doesn't matter if it can be done, it doesn't work properly.

Expecting 2 channel audio from a mono set is moronic.

TheSonofKakarrot · Post by **TheSonofKakarrot** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:37 am

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
TheSonofKakarrot wrote:I knew I wasn't going crazy because I used to read your comments in depth in regards to the DBox comparisons of the FUni Widescreen DVD's. Seems weird that FUNi would mess this up when all of their DVD's including the original 3 episode--24.99 discs had 2 channel mono. I'm going to check right now
While I'm not sure why it would be different here than on other discs that are 2 channel mono, is it possible that your receiver is trying to apply some form of Dolby Pro Logic processing and moving all of the audio into your center channel? You may want to set your receiver on a dedicated mono mode (or maybe a 'Pure' mode, that's what I use on my Denon).

I'm not an expert like GoC, but...well, I'll just leave that there

-Corey

The setting is the same one that I use for the FUNi DVD's when I just checked it and the FUNi DVD's came up fine. I know what you are saying. I have the setting set to "Auto" which was why I was always able to get the audio from both left and right speakers on the FUNi DVD's in mono. However if I put the mode to "standard" what happens is as you said it tries to force it into dolby pro logic and thus, leading to audio out of only the center speaker. However, even in that case, the receiver still decodes the audio as 2 channel and not one. The case with the FUNi Dbox is something I've never witnessed before which is why it caught my eye because the moment the episode came on, there was only one image and that was of a "C." And when I hit "display" it shows all the information and says "1 channel " etc etc. the Funi DVD's (widescreen and original) all say "2 channel."

Its not that big of a deal but I figured since we were getting "replicas of the Japanese release" I figured they'd have it down to a tee. I noticed the 96kbps but I didn't think they woudn't have the 2 channel mono as in the Japanese version. Oh well.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:38 am

For the past couple of days I've had a random DBox disc in the DVD player (depending on what episodes I felt like seeing). It's been a lot of fun. Especially today since I've coupled it with playing "Attack of the Saiyans."

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:44 am

Don't you people know how to read?

SSj Kaboom wrote:GoC is trying to be nice and helpful, but you guys aren't exactly helping. Just provoking.

That said, let's all just drop the argumentative, needless, pointless bullcrap right now, and get back on topic, alright? That means NO more responses on the matter, no last words... zilch. Stop. Now. Or I'll just start editing or deleting posts accordingly.

I f*cking meant it. And not just for the argument then, either. For good. I've already removed some of the tripe, so quit being jackasses. I'm not going to lock another DragonBox thread because you people can't seem to be civil to each other.

TheSonofKakarrot · Post by **TheSonofKakarrot** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:48 am

Also I forgot to mention Corey that I usually watch the Japanese version of DBZ in a mode called "Simulated Stereo." Its a DSP on the receiver that "simulates" stereo. Because I havent watched DBZ in so long I completely forgot about this setting. So even though the audio is 1 channel mono and not 2 like the other discs, using this DSP the audio is coming from both speakers. However, the fact remains that its not the 2 channel mono like the Dbox and original Funi discs are.

I still think its odd that this is supposed to be the Dragonbox with "Nothing changed" and there's a bunch of little odds and ends. The 96kbps I understand because they also have another audio option unlike the Japanese dBOX.