Gohan vs. Dabura

[goodguy777]

Hmmm which is which:
SSJ Gohan or SSJ2 Gohan,
Perfect Cell = Dabra or Super Perfect Cell = Dabra

[Kaboom]

There's nothing to ponder. Gohan wasn't a Super Saiyan 2, and as such he couldn't possibly be matching a Super Perfect Cell-level opponent. Dabra is somewhere within Perfect Cell's range.

[goodguy777]

There's nothing to ponder. Gohan wasn't a Super Saiyan 2, and as such he couldn't possibly be matching a Super Perfect Cell-level opponent. Dabra is somewhere within Perfect Cell's range.

That's why I'm wondering why they still discuss this thing. They can follow the manga(ssj) or daizenshuu(ssj2), as for Dabra = Perfect Cell, there's nothing to back it up except theories.

[Kaboom]

That's why I'm wondering why they still discuss this thing. They can follow the manga(ssj) or daizenshuu(ssj2),

The Daizenshuu just made a boo-boo. Some editor missed it when he was facts-checking, or something. Regardless, some people are still convinced that the guidebooks' word is law, even when it goes against what's actually in the original material.

"The Daizenshuu says that Goku is wearing nothing but a purple bikini in this chapter."
"... What? No, look. He's wearing his Gi as usual."
"Nu-uh. Daizenshuu says it's a bikini. The Daizenshuu is officially sanctioned material by Toriyama himself, so it must be right!"
"But he's NOT wearing a bikini; you can see that right there in front of your face, on the page."
"DAIZENSHUU."

as for Dabra = Perfect Cell, there's nothing to back it up except theories.

Goku: "There was this Cell guy we fought seven years ago. Dabra's probably about as strong as him." Established: Dabra is on the level of an unspecified form of Cell.

Then, Dabra matches Super Saiyan Gohan in an even fight. Gohan is within Perfect Cell's range of power. Established: Dabra is also within Perfect Cell's range of power.

[goodguy777]

That's why I'm wondering why they still discuss this thing. They can follow the manga(ssj) or daizenshuu(ssj2),

The Daizenshuu just made a boo-boo. Some editor missed it when he was facts-checking, or something. Regardless, some people are still convinced that the guidebooks' word is law, even when it goes against what's actually in the original material.

"The Daizenshuu says that Goku is wearing nothing but a purple bikini in this chapter."
"... What? No, look. He's wearing his Gi as usual."
"Nu-uh. Daizenshuu says it's a bikini. The Daizenshuu is officially sanctioned material by Toriyama himself, so it must be right!"
"But he's NOT wearing a bikini; you can see that right there in front of your face, on the page."
"DAIZENSHUU."

Cloth or Bikini is not a mythical transformation. Anyway, it's everybody's choice which they will believe in.

as for Dabra = Perfect Cell, there's nothing to back it up except theories.

Goku: "There was this Cell guy we fought seven years ago. Dabra's probably about as strong as him." Established: Dabra is on the level of an unspecified form of Cell.

Then, Dabra matches Super Saiyan Gohan in an even fight. Gohan is within Perfect Cell's range of power. Established: Dabra is also within Perfect Cell's range of power.

After 7 years of hiatus, hmmmm.

[Piccolo Daimao]

There's nothing to ponder. Gohan wasn't a Super Saiyan 2, and as such he couldn't possibly be matching a Super Perfect Cell-level opponent. Dabra is somewhere within Perfect Cell's range.

That's why I'm wondering why they still discuss this thing. They can follow the manga(ssj) or daizenshuu(ssj2), as for Dabra = Perfect Cell, there's nothing to back it up except theories.

People aren't pondering that. They're pondering why Son Gohan wouldn't or couldn't transform into a Super Saiyan. And what we've worked out from this discussion is...well, nothing. Apart from a number of theories that can be easily dismissed by using a number of other theories.

[goodguy777]

There's nothing to ponder. Gohan wasn't a Super Saiyan 2, and as such he couldn't possibly be matching a Super Perfect Cell-level opponent. Dabra is somewhere within Perfect Cell's range.

That's why I'm wondering why they still discuss this thing. They can follow the manga(ssj) or daizenshuu(ssj2), as for Dabra = Perfect Cell, there's nothing to back it up except theories.

People aren't pondering that. They're pondering why Son Gohan wouldn't or couldn't transform into a Super Saiyan. And what we've worked out from this discussion is...well, nothing. Apart from a number of theories that can be easily dismissed by using a number of other theories.

Theories = non canon

Manga = canon

Databooks = considered as canon

[Rocketman]

I only accept the databooks if they don't contradict what we see in the manga or common sense.

[goodguy777]

It's a gag manga! It never was nor was it meant to be scientifically sound or accurate.

[Khalid Shahin]

I only accept the databooks if they don't contradict what we see in the manga or common sense.

THIS!!! I agree with that statement. In fact that statement is pretty much commonsense, and the only way to argue against it if you are saying the databooks are correcting how things should've been. For the records, it was SSJ1 Gohan vs Dabura, right?

[Piccolo Daimao]

For the records, it was SSJ1 Gohan vs Dabura, right?

From visual evidence, yes.

[goodguy777]

I only accept the databooks if they don't contradict what we see in the manga or common sense.

THIS!!! I agree with that statement. In fact that statement is pretty much commonsense, and the only way to argue against it if you are saying the databooks are correcting how things should've been. For the records, it was SSJ1 Gohan vs Dabura, right?

You can't correct anything in the gag manga, it was hinted by respectable SSj Kaboom.
It's a gag manga! It never was nor was it meant to be scientifically sound or accurate.

For the records, it was SSJ1 Gohan vs Dabura, right?

From visual evidence, yes.

From visual evidence, it's a gag manga.

[rereboy]

You must be trollin`...

[Piccolo Daimao]

From visual evidence, it's a gag manga.

OK, I thought you should stop now, or else you might get banned.

[Kaboom]

For the records, it was SSJ1 Gohan vs Dabura, right?

Clearly and obviously.


goodguy777, what's your point?

[goodguy777]

From visual evidence, it's a gag manga.

OK, I thought you should stop now, or else you might get banned.

What did I do? This is what I called unfair treatment. Authorities were allowed to say Dragon Ball is a gag manga while I'm not.

[Piccolo Daimao]

From visual evidence, it's a gag manga.

OK, I thought you should stop now, or else you might get banned.

What did I do? This is what I called unfair treatment. Authorities were allowed to say Dragon Ball is a gag manga while I'm not.

Yes, but you need to conduct yourself in a civilised manner rather than doing something that's going to arouse the moderators' attentions and cause hostility towards yourself at the same time.

[goodguy777]

Yes, but you need to conduct yourself in a civilised manner rather than doing something that's going to arouse the moderators' attentions and cause hostility towards yourself at the same time.

With due respect, this is what SSj Kaboom did in all of my thread. Isn't that spamming too because it was not conduct in a civilized manner. At least, in civilized manner I'm saying that Dragon Ball is a gag manga because it started off as a gag but not action packed.

[VegettoEX]

I will kindly ask non-moderators to please stop moderating.

Also, everyone REALLY needs to take a second to re-read their posts. Honestly, I'm having a REALLY difficult time even figuring out what some of you are TRYING TO SAY. I can't tell if it is because you are non-native English speakers, of you are just being lazy with your posting behavior. You need to be clear, concise, and above all else, respectful.

[Kaboom]

With due respect, this is what SSj Kaboom did in all of my thread. Isn't that spamming too because it was not conduct in a civilized manner. At least, in civilized manner I'm saying that Dragon Ball is a gag manga because it started off as a gag but not action packed.

I made that statement as the closing comment because it was relevant to the topic, and a point that needed to be made. What you are doing now is just throwing a fit, spamming, and playing the blame game yet again. You've already been warned about this.