Can someone please tell me how Yamcha was beating Olibu?

[Xyex]

Yamcha had plenty of time to train between that fight and any fight we saw him in before hand, its possible.

Plenty of time? Seven years is 'Plenty of time' to go from maybe Ginyu Force level to, at the very least, equal to base Vegeta in the Android Saga? If I want to be generous with his power the last time we saw him that's still at least a 40 fold increase of power. Something not even the Saiya-jins accomplished (not counting transformational increases) and they were actually training in those seven years, Yamcha wasn't.

[Olympian]

Yamcha had plenty of time to train between that fight and any fight we saw him in before hand, its possible.

Plenty of time? Seven years is 'Plenty of time' to go from maybe Ginyu Force level to, at the very least, equal to base Vegeta in the Android Saga? If I want to be generous with his power the last time we saw him that's still at least a 40 fold increase of power. Something not even the Saiya-jins accomplished (not counting transformational increases) and they were actually training in those seven years, Yamcha wasn't.

You have to keep in mind that in the context of the anime, Yamcha was already ahead of the Ginyu Force level, before the Buu Saga even began. Surely before that, even.

And frankly, even in the Manga, with Gero mistaking Yamcha`s ki for Goku`s (from the time he was in Namek), i do not think it would be out of the real of possibility that Yamcha was ahead of Recoome when he final stage of the Cell saga hit. The fact that Goku was not a SS, when he dealt with the Ginyu, seems to cement well in terms of timeline, with Gero`s statement.

[Bussani]

You have to keep in mind that in the context of the anime, Yamcha was already ahead of the Ginyu Force level, before the Buu Saga even began. Surely before that, even.

And frankly, even in the Manga, with Gero mistaking Yamcha`s ki for Goku`s (from the time he was in Namek), i do not think it would be out of the real of possibility that Yamcha was ahead of Recoome when he final stage of the Cell saga hit. The fact that Goku was not a SS, when he dealt with the Ginyu, seems to cement well in terms of timeline, with Gero`s statement.

Gero didn't know how strong Goku was on Namek. He made a guess based on Goku's increases in the past (which Goku far surpassed on his way to and on Namek, even without Super Saiyan). All Gero had really was "he should be somewhere between this strong if he doesn't train much at all, and this strong if his increase is similar to what we've seen before." Yamcha could be weaker then Ginyu and he could still mistake him for Goku.

[Rocketman]

And frankly, even in the Manga, with Gero mistaking Yamcha`s ki for Goku`s (from the time he was in Namek)

The last data they had on Goku was 8,000.

[Drayenko]

Wasn't it over 9000!!?

[Maphisto86]

Wasn't it over 9000!!?

I believe a line in a famous play went "Whenever I hear someone say "It's Over Nine Thousand!"... I release the safety-catch of my Browning".

Anyway, yes this filler scene was a bit ridiculous but it's one of the more likeable stretches of character development in Dragonball. I mean poor Yamcha was blown up by a glorified bipedal plant for crying out loud. The dude was always getting defeated throughout the series and now all of it paid off when he soundly defeated two minor characters.

[Xyex]

You have to keep in mind that in the context of the anime, Yamcha was already ahead of the Ginyu Force level, before the Buu Saga even began. Surely before that, even.

And frankly, even in the Manga, with Gero mistaking Yamcha`s ki for Goku`s (from the time he was in Namek), i do not think it would be out of the real of possibility that Yamcha was ahead of Recoome when he final stage of the Cell saga hit. The fact that Goku was not a SS, when he dealt with the Ginyu, seems to cement well in terms of timeline, with Gero`s statement.

Gero didn't know how strong Goku was on Namek. He made a guess based on Goku's increases in the past (which Goku far surpassed on his way to and on Namek, even without Super Saiyan). All Gero had really was "he should be somewhere between this strong if he doesn't train much at all, and this strong if his increase is similar to what we've seen before." Yamcha could be weaker then Ginyu and he could still mistake him for Goku.

As has been mentioned, the last data Gero had for Goku was his 8,000 level in the Saiya-jin saga. 32,000-ish if you go with the Kaioken+Kamehameha combo he used on Vegeta, but that would be viewed as 'channeled power' like the Kamehameha he used on Raditz. Going by Goku's power growth from the 23rd Budokai (the earliest we know him to be watching for certain) through to the start of the Saiya-jin saga, which is what Gero would take as normal growth for Goku, I wouldn't expect Gero to expect Goku's base level, without Kaioken and channeled power for enhanced attacks, to exceed 50,000, maximum, and likely to be closer to the 30,000 to 35,000 range.

So, maybe Yamcha could have beaten Recoome in the Android Saga, but then he (like Gohan) sits on his ass for 7 years. Which means even if 50,000 was his level in the Android Saga he'd be less than that in the Buu Saga. Meanwhile Olibu's got to be somewhere around the level of the base Saiya-jins in the Android Saga, at least.

[LeprikanGT]

At the beginning of Z Goku was less than 1000 as he was 'beaten' by Raditz and on Namek when his body was switched 'he' was a like 68,000. Thats far from 40 fold increase.

Yamcha was far stronger than the Ginyu force at around the same time everyone but oku was getting beat by them.

[Rocketman]

At the beginning of Z Goku was less than 1000 as he was 'beaten' by Raditz and on Namek when his body was switched 'he' was a like 68,000. Thats far from 40 fold increase.

Goku was 416 at the beginning and 90,000 when he was switched with Ginyu.

[Xyex]

At the beginning of Z Goku was less than 1000 as he was 'beaten' by Raditz and on Namek when his body was switched 'he' was a like 68,000. Thats far from 40 fold increase.

Goku was at 416 at the start of Z and 90,000 when he arrived on Namek, yes, but you fail to include in this increase the fact that Goku abused the Zenkai on the way to Namek. Goku's power increased about 20x in his 6-ish months with King Kai and then another 10.8x between the Vegeta fight and his arrival on Namek (and then another 22.2x~ to 33.3x~ times between fighting Ginyu and fighting Freeza) yes, but you need to also realize he was getting power-ups out the wazoo at this point.

If Yamcha were to match Goku's 20x increase with King Kai that would still only put him in the 20,000s when revived. Following this he wont get the massive jumps in power that Goku got. Why? Because Goku was getting power from nothing, something that the human characters can't do. Goku left Earth with a bag full of Senzu Beans and arrived on Namek with two. Kill the gravity training (something Yamcha never did), remove the Zenkais (something Yamcha can't get) and Goku would have been lucky to be at 8,500 when he reached Namek.

Yamcha was far stronger than the Ginyu force at around the same time everyone but oku was getting beat by them.

Only if you go by filler that makes no sense.

[Bussani]

Xyex implied it, but abusing the Senzu beans was another part of it. Without them, even a Saiyan wouldn't have been able to gain so much strength in only 6 days. They'd be spending half their time in a healing tank.

[Kunzait_83]

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[Xyex]

Wasn't even? Did we watch the same fight?
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Calling it "not all that even" in terms of how the fight itself played out is kinda bullshit, in spite of whatever further power Paikuhan was keeping in check.

I say it wasn't 'all that even' because, as you said, once Pikkon decided to end the fight it ended, quickly. It seems to me that he wasn't using even his full weighted power there. Like if Piccolo were to fight apparently evenly with Krillin for a few minutes, then go up to his full weighted level and end the match in a couple of blows.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Yamcha was far stronger than the Ginyu force at around the same time everyone but oku was getting beat by them.

Only if you go by filler that makes no sense.

Uh... *blink*

[LeprikanGT]

Oh, didnt know Yamcha and them fighting the ginyu force was filler.

But even so that shows him easily fighting people that had just owned Vegeta and Gohan.

Plus [not sure if this is filler too] don't you get stronger while fighting in Other World? Yamcha had been there a bit as was Krillin and he did say Yamcha was fighting a lot up there.

I think its fairly possible he could have beaten Olibu.

[Rocketman]

don't you get stronger while fighting in Other World? Yamcha had been there a bit as was Krillin and he did say Yamcha was fighting a lot up there.

I think its fairly possible he could have beaten Olibu.

There are a little over one and a half hours between Yamcha's death and Kid Buu's appearance.

[Maphisto86]

don't you get stronger while fighting in Other World? Yamcha had been there a bit as was Krillin and he did say Yamcha was fighting a lot up there.

I think its fairly possible he could have beaten Olibu.

There are a little over one and a half hours between Yamcha's death and Kid Buu's appearance.

Yeah that's quite true and there is no evidence that anyone gets stronger by transfering from the "living" world and the afterlife. Where we ever given any real notion of Yamcha's strength by the Buu saga? Obviously he is not an obese shut-in so he keeps in shape and may have even gotten a lot stronger by training in the seven(?) years between the Cell games and the Buu saga (like in the fanmanga "Elsewhere").

[Xyex]

Where we ever given any real notion of Yamcha's strength by the Buu saga? Obviously he is not an obese shut-in so he keeps in shape and may have even gotten a lot stronger by training in the seven(?) years between the Cell games and the Buu saga (like in the fanmanga "Elsewhere").

No, we weren't, which is part of the issue. The last time we actually see Yamcha do something is against the Saibamen. He just sort of sits around playing cards with King Kai during Namek, gets impaled by 20 in the Android Saga, and then sits around playing cards with Puar for the rest of the series. And in the Buu Saga he's shown to have given up fighting, much as Gohan did, so he's likely weaker now than he was before.

I see it as highly unlikely that Yamcha ever got higher than 50,000 at his best. Tien's the only one I see getting near or over 100,000. Course, I don't subscribe to the 'constantly increasing power' concept with Krillin's power-up on Namek, or his 75,000 level post Namek. Wit that I suppose he might have broken 100,000 prior to the Androids showing up, but he'd certainly be below it again by the Buu Saga anyway.

[Bussani]

But even so that shows him easily fighting people that had just owned Vegeta and Gohan.

Which is also why people call shenanigans on that little piece of filler. Training at Kaio's is definitely better than training on Earth, but he wasn't even there for that long when the Ginyu Force showed up.

As stated by the manga, Popo showed them Kami's ship the day after the fight with Vegeta. 10 days later, they left for Namek. They arrived there 34 days later. So at most, Yamcha and the others would have been at Kaio's for 45 days, but we also have to subtract however long it took them to get there (Kaio says they got there faster than Goku, but he took months). Then about 6 days passed while Goku traveled to Namek. So in the end, they had somewhere under 50 days to go from being around Raditz's strength to being able to rival the Ginyu Force.

On top of that, I always got the impression that they'd only just arrived on Kaio's planet when Kaio called Goku up to tell him, which was sometime in the 6 day trip to Namek. In fact, filler agrees with this by showing that he hadn't even started training them yet, didn't it? They had to catch Bubbles first in filler, which happened after Kaio told Goku about them being there. So...if you put all the filler together, Yamcha went from losing to a Saibaiman to able to fight the Ginyu Force in something like 6 days, plus however much time passed between Goku arriving on Namek and that filler from happening.

[Godo]

Dr. Gero didn't know about North Kaio. So therefore, he would assume that Goku's increase from that one year would at least stay the same for the subsequent years.
We have Goku at 406, and then at 8,000. That makes for a (roughly) 20x increase. The year when he returned to Earth he would be estimated at 160,000. Dr. Gero should have known that he was out of Space (he had spy robots, remember?).
Then he had 3 years of training on earth, and we can assume a 2x increase each year from Dr. Gero's part. That makes a 1,280,000 in powerlevel.
Even if we take lower multipliers, say 2x a year for Goku after the Vegeta fight, that would put him at 168,000 at least.

So if he confused Yamcha with Goku, Yamcha could very well have a power higher than 50,000.
Just because of that he loses his fights and is a underdog, it doesn't mean that he has to be weak.
200,000 by the arrival of Dr. Gero and his gang was already too little to be able to help out, so it isn't impossible that Yamcha was that strong, since we don't know.

But if he was to compete with Olibu, he must have put some poison in his coffee to be able to beat him.