DBZU and DBZU2 seems to be officially gone now.

[laserkid]

Hey, now. I'm from the old gua... wait. I didn't do anything productive back then.

Don't feel bad Kendamu, I'm in the same boat there. xD

[JulieYBM]

While we're on the subject of the 'old guard' I would totally love to see 'em on for a podcast episode.

Make it so, Mike!

Most of them want absolutely nothing to do with the series or us anymore, which I respect.

We've had Skitz, Castor, and of course Meri before. I've asked Ramza a couple times, but he randomly drops off the face of the planet for a few months at a time and I lose contact with him .

That's completely understandable, although I think it'd be fascinating to get their perspectives having been 'gone' for so long. Ah well~

[Castor Troy]

Has Chris said anything lately? I remember Mike saying he saw Cardass on AIM, and I saw Mr. E awhile back.

So I have a question. Are the Dboxes possibly bringing these people back?

How is MrE nowadays? Last time I saw him was Comic Con 2003 and he never looked so relieved to be retired.

Skitz and I were just talking a few days ago over how awesome the Dbox is.

[TVfan721]

DBZU2...isn't that the one where the main guy went in a huge ass rant against Funimation in his Movie 8 review because Vegeta said "Darn it" instead of "dammit?"

I think I found it. http://web.archive.org/web/200710231738 ... mov08.html

Even I didn't realize just how over the top some of that stuff was.

[jjgp1112]

DBZU2...isn't that the one where the main guy went in a huge ass rant against Funimation in his Movie 8 review because Vegeta said "Darn it" instead of "dammit?"

I think I found it. http://web.archive.org/web/200710231738 ... mov08.html

Even I didn't realize just how over the top some of that stuff was.

Wow, that was more over the top than I remmeber. Yeah, let's ignore the fact that those lines were actually accurate, because OH NOEZ THERE'S NO CURSING.

[Dr. Casey]

Japanese Paragas- "Damn! The threads of destiny have once again intertwined here, have they?"
English- "Errrgh! Whatever it is, I don't like it."

So the English version of Paragus is like... Paragus after getting a lobotomy? The guy's speech level seems to have gone down a few levels far as eloquency goes.

[GS7X7]

DBZU2...isn't that the one where the main guy went in a huge ass rant against Funimation in his Movie 8 review because Vegeta said "Darn it" instead of "dammit?"

I think I found it. http://web.archive.org/web/200710231738 ... mov08.html

Even I didn't realize just how over the top some of that stuff was.

Tvfan, why do you keep going out of your way to flame me on this message board? From the moment you joined your very first post was a lengthy attack on me. Since then you've made numerous other posts complaining about and insulting me while encouraging others to join in in doing so. Sure, I get that you have a strong dislike of me, my website and writings- pretty much everything about me you can think of. What I don't understand is why you feel the need to repeatedly bash me and bring me up solely to attack me in such an incredibly insulting and rude fashion. This is either the 3rd of 4th topic you've done this in. I don't like the movie Bamboozled but I don't repeatedly make topics about bashing it here or on other message boards, I just ignore it.... because it's not something I'm obsessed with.

You've been on this board for several months and posted a fair amount but about 10-15% of your posts are all about me- and usually are made in as insulting a fashion as humanly possible. That makes me think that your intense -usually followed by flames and strong insults- dislike of me extends to a very personal level because of some old vendetta, and isn't just based on some casual dislike of my work.

I don't have any idea who you are- maybe Jon Allen, maybe good ol' SJR- and I'm more than certain that you'll claim once again that you've never known me or dealt with me in the past- but at this point I'm pretty much convinced that you're someone from my past that I was enemies with long ago. A regular person who disliked my site would just ignore it and me, not repeatedly bring it up and repeatedly encourage others to attack it. Maybe you're Jon Allen, maybe SJR, maybe some other guy based on some other internet drama I had that was over 5 years ago, it doesn't really matter. But whoever you are, that was years ago dude, you need to get over it and me already.



"Wow, that was more over the top than I remmeber. Yeah, let's ignore the fact that those lines were actually accurate, because OH NOEZ THERE'S NO CURSING."


First off, yes that rant was over the top and was extremely insulting to Funimation- but you know what? I'm glad I did it because, after all my reviews of fussing at Funimation over the cursing issue, they actually included some cursing in the next movie when Trunks said "shit". If people hadn't fussed at Funimation about the cursing at all then they'd probably have just continued censoring all the cursing in the movies. I find it odd that you're more offended by my -complaining- about Funimation's censorship of language than you are by their -actual- censorship of the language. It suggests to me that censorship of language in anime dubs is of no concern to you, but flaming a company too heavily for said censorship is a big concern to you.

On that note- if Funimation would have included NO cursing in Movie 9 had nobody- myself included- complained.... would that preferable to you as opposed to people complaining heavily and Funimation actually listening and including some cursing?

Secondly, an "uncut" dub is not uncut if they censor something from it- and censoring out all curse words from an "uncut" dub constitutes censorship. This is the second time you've fussed about me fussing about Funimation's censorship of cursing in this topic- actually your second post here is simply a more insulting reiteration of your first post that failed to address any of the points I made earlier.

Let me ask you- are you in favor of anime dubs censoring out curse words? In this case, are you in favor of Funimation doing so with their "uncut" dub of DBZ? Specifically with the movies? Before you answer, I should point out that Funimation made two dub versions of the Brolly film- both an "uncut" one and a "cut" one. Thus there was really no need for Funimation to censor out curse words to avoid offending people- any soccer moms concerned with such naughty language could just buy the edited, censored version of the Brolly movie. Your responses thus far suggest that you're completely unconcerned about censorship of language in dubs advertised as "uncut", so unconcerned to the point that complaints about censorship of cursing seems to bother you more than the actual censorship itself.

Thirdly, how did you feel about Movie 9 containing at least one swear word in the uncut dub? Are you glad they included some cursing- or would you have preferred that Funimation censored the dub from having any swear words like they had done with all of their previous movie versions (excluding Pioneer?'s movies)?


And finally, what were your thoughts on Funimation's censorship of visual footage in the "uncut" dub of the dvd Ginyu Assault? Were you in favor of or opposed to their censorship of visual footage?

And what are your thoughts about Psaros complaining about it? Before you answer this one, I should point out that I think this was the last time Funimation tried censoring actual animation from the advertised-as-uncut episodes.

That would seem to suggest that Funimation actually DID listen to their complaints and occasionally make changes in response to them. I'm not sure what you would conclude from that but I myself am glad that people actually fussed at Funimation. Funimation has come a long way but it never would have changed and improved as much as it did had Dbz fans simply never bothered to complain at all to them.

[jjgp1112]

Exactly - swearing completely unconcerns me. Only ridiculous F-Bombs are really annoying to me, but it doesn't matter if they're saying "dammit" or "darn it." Was FUNi a little lazy with it and sometimes did some unnecessary censoring, but really, Funimation's definition of Uncut is no footage being edited out. It doesn't need to be full of swearing to be considered "uncut." It's not like they slapped some big "100% UNCUT AND UNCENSORED! TOO HOT FOR TV!" label on the DVDs.

[Greenman]

First off, yes that rant was over the top and was extremely insulting to Funimation- but you know what? I'm glad I did it because, after all my reviews of fussing at Funimation over the cursing issue, they actually included some cursing in the next movie when Trunks said "shit".

I gotta watch the dub of movie 9 now.

[jjgp1112]

First off, yes that rant was over the top and was extremely insulting to Funimation- but you know what? I'm glad I did it because, after all my reviews of fussing at Funimation over the cursing issue, they actually included some cursing in the next movie when Trunks said "shit".

I gotta watch the dub of movie 9 now.

I don't remember Trunks EVER saying shit. He said, "What the hell are you?!" but he never said shit.

[GS7X7]

Ah my mistake then, it's been many years since I watched that movie dubbed. My point still stands though that they included cursing in the dub of Movie 9. (whether it's "shit" or "hell"- it's still cursing, kid's shows don't say "hell")


Actually there have been times when the uncut dub is more profane than the original. Does anyone remember the uncut dub of Babidi flipping off Goku (or whoever he was flipping off)? I think he yells out "SHOVE IT!" while flipping the bird which (given the nature of what he was doing with his finger) seems more profane than whatever Babidi originally said. (again, my memory could be wrong about this- I know it's been many years since I saw that episode dubbed)

[Greenman]

Ah my mistake then, it's been many years since I watched that movie dubbed. My point still stands though that they included cursing in the dub of Movie 9.

Are you talking about "hell" or another word? Because "hell" isn't really a curse word, I don't think.

[Conan the SSJ]

Are you talking about "hell" or another word? Because "hell" isn't really a curse word, I don't think.

Nor is "butt", yet FUNi continually edited out that in the aired/edit-VHS version. When in the last decade did the word butt become inappropriate? I remember Nickelodeon using it all the time, as well as several other Cartoon Network shows. That more than anything amuses the hell out of me, course nothing can beat Roshi's tomato soup!

Sorry if I'm getting off topic. Interestingly, while watching Robotech, I caught at least one episode where "hell" was used. I guess writing was a lot more lenient back then?

[penguintruth]

Look, a guy being smashed into a rock wall repeatedly or burned by a ki blast wouldn't scream, "Darn!"

I think the least they can do is give us a "damn"! Nobody anywhere even says "darn" anymore. I haven't heard "darn" regularly since I was in fourth grade. I think even modern fourth graders are dropping the f bomb by now.

Do people still say "heck", even? Or "gosh"?

If you have the power to blast an entire planet into nothing, you don't have to use "heck".

[Innagadadavida]

They could exclaim "ZARK!" Or derogatorily refer to one another as "pormwranglers."
They are aliens, afterall.

[penguintruth]

They could exclaim "ZARK!" Or derogatorily refer to one another as "pormwranglers."
They are aliens, afterall.

Oh, Belgium, man!

[TVfan721]

GSM777, get over yourself dude and quit trying to feel sorry for yourself, no one's buying it. Obviously there has to be some truth to my criticism of you or otherwise you wouldn't get so defensive and crazy everytime you reply. I have NO idea who you are and I don't care. I've never spoken to you before I started posting here. If you want to believe otherwise, then go ahead buddy, you can think whatever you want. Maybe it's easier for you to stomach my criticism if you think I have a personal problem against you because you obviously can't seem to handle the fact that are people out there in the world that simply don't like your work and never did.

You claim that because your work was made 5 years ago, people shouldn't talk bother talking about it. Well guess what, this is a Dragonball Z forum and your little hate site IS related to Dragonball Z, therefore, it's going to get talked about on this forum from time to time whether you like it or not. If your ego couldn't handle criticism, then you shouldn't have made the site in the first place. The whole "5 years ago" thing means nothing. The show DBZ itself ended many years ago but we still talk about that so your reasoning makes no sense.

As for this thread, I didn't even attack you. I found your site in the archives and I remember someone had asked to see the movie 8 review, so I posted it on this site for them. I've barely even mentioned you if it all really since last July when I made my first thread here. I've never said anything that was insulting towards you, I've merely stated facts and nothing more so get yourself, quit the pity party, and stop with those stupid paranoid rambling posts that look like they were written by a lunatic which is something your work on DBZU2 looks like! But by all means dude, if you want to continue making these posts, then please do because they are all highly funny and entertaining to read.

[Conan the SSJ]

Look, a guy being smashed into a rock wall repeatedly or burned by a ki blast wouldn't scream, "Darn!"

I think the least they can do is give us a "damn"! Nobody anywhere even says "darn" anymore. I haven't heard "darn" regularly since I was in fourth grade. I think even modern fourth graders are dropping the f bomb by now.

Do people still say "heck", even? Or "gosh"?

If you have the power to blast an entire planet into nothing, you don't have to use "heck".

Check out the redub of the Vegeta(/Saiyan) & Namek sagas, as well as touch-ups done to the Ginyu/Freeza eps, you may be surprised. Also, has movie 7 been forgotten? They had #13 sprouting "ass" and "damn" like a Yuyu Hakusho character. If I may say, I liked Vegeta's line to Goku in movie 12 when he decides to go through with Fusion; "If I live, life will be a hell; if I die, IT will be a hell--". But yeah, it's very corn-ball when the most the majority uncut dub let itself get away with was stuff like "butt" and a few literal context "hell"s.

As for this thread, I didn't even attack you.

Could've fooled me. I may've misinterpreted from reading just a few of your posts as well, but you almost do come off as a passive aggressive flamer. I don't wanna add on to what you view as Saiyaman's "paranoia", but maybe to support your emphasis on how you're not "after" the guy, leave him alone? Or even just PM or email him to settle whatever issues he has with ya'. For what it's worth tvfan, I'm optimistic that you're telling the truth, but I've been where Saiyaman feels like he's at and once got temp banned because of a certain person he and I knew who re-registered here just to keep pushing some ridiculous troll-like garbage long best forgotten. My humble advice, don't push the guy 'for kicks' and try to be civil.

[VegettoEX]

tvfan721: Your responses are just as crazy-sensitive and holier-than-thou as what you're complaining about. Knock it off.

GS7X7: Expect to be criticized. From what people are talking about and posting, the words that you wrote in the past deserve to be criticized and put in their place. At the same time, yes, I agree -- people should not necessarily be held accountable TODAY for what they wrote BACK THEN and no longer believe in or agree with. You're allowed to change opinions over time. You're allowed to learn new things. That's called "growing up" -- but it's not something you're showing that you have done or are capable of.

That's part of the reason why no-one bothers to attack some of the things I wrote back in 1999. Beyond my belief (delusional or otherwise) that I truly backed up all of my opinions of the time, the fact is that I've moved on and continued to contribute to the community. I'm still around, so random things I said ten years ago just aren't relevant to bring up. That's not to say that you SHOULD HAVE continued to contribute and make a name for yourself; not everyone wants that for themselves online -- people move on. However, you have to realize that since your name is tied to those words, and EXCLUSIVELY those words... well, deal with it. If you don't want to read how people are interpreting the past from their own memories and in the framework of today, you shouldn't be on the internet any more.

[GS7X7]

Ex, you don't know me or anything about me. I have grown up and moved on but if someone wants to attack me and I think some of the complaints are unfair, then I'll defend myself.

You did the exact same thing when you wrote a very lengthy editorial on your site defending yourself when Seashore Angel sent an e-mail flaming and attacking you. You didn't just "ignore it" or "get off the internet." That having been said I don't see why you think it's okay that you defended yourself but that you don't think I should defend myself.


(And I wonder, does my successful "dual-music on dvd"s petition and work deserve to be "criticized" and "put in it's place"?)