Dragonball GT BGM

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Yes...if you honestly think the original score got no scenes whatsoever wrong, and that no dub, whether it be FUNi or otherwise - ever topped it at one point or another, in one aspect or another.

Believe it or not some fans actually think this and its this that bothers me because they automatically asume that the original did every scene better just because it came first.

[penguintruth]

In what scene did the dub music surpass the original? It'd be nice to get some context. Tell me a specific scene.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

In what scene did the dub music surpass the original? It'd be nice to get some context. Tell me a specific scene.

I can't think of a specific scene of the top of my head because it's been about two and a half years now since I've watched Dragon Ball Z with Shunsuke's score, but I remember there were times when the music was put in that didn't match the tone of the scene and not put in at the right time.

Before you start flamming me about being a dubbie, I just want you to know that I dislike Faulconer's score and the only Funimation score I've ever liked is Menza's.

[penguintruth]

Faulconer and Menza's music sounded about the same to me.

[UristtheGreat]

Faulconer's atleast sounded like music. Menza's sounded like...dying robots with a slight beat behind it.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Faulconer and Menza's music sounded about the same to me.

So did Kikuchi's and Tokunaga's, whats your point?

[penguintruth]

Faulconer and Menza's music sounded about the same to me.

So did Kikuchi's and Tokunaga's, whats your point?

Hm, I don't really think Tokunaga's sounded that much like Kikuchi's.

Kikuchi has three sounds in his score: ADVENTURE, OPERATIC NATURE, and THEME REPRISE. The more child-like tunes, like "Gohan and Piccolo" fall into ADVENTURE, as do a lot of the trumpet and pomp tracks, the big "presenting" ones that are usually used around Mr. Satan or the Budoukais. The OPERATIC NATURE I call it is so because it's these huge orchestral pieces that feel like they're representing big surges of power, like they were forces of nature. Some of Faulconer's tracks attempt to replicate this, with dire consequences. The third are reprises of opening and closing themes and can also fall into ADVENTURE or OPERATIC NATURE.

Tokunaga, on the other hand, has more of a music box-like quality to a lot of his music. There are plenty of ADVENTURE-like bits, but those tend to lapse into bombastic, upbeat ditties, often also mixing with THEME REPRISE. There aren't a lot of big, forceful orchestral pieces like with Kikuchi. It's a lot of very somber pieces you would expect in fantasy settings, instead. Compared to Kikuchi's work, it's pretty low-key, and in my opinion, not nearly as good, but still pretty fitting for GT.

Of course, I'm not a music expert. This is just what I've picked up after listening to the BGM tracks from DB/Z/GT for years.

EDIT: Oh, and I guess there's also a lot of music in Kikuchi's score which seems to be influenced by old martial arts movies. I can't think of any particular composer or movie, but if you go back and watch some old martial arts films from the seventies you'll hear music that Dragon Ball, especially the original series, sort of took from.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Yeah, I guess they sound pretty different but some tracks just have the same "feel" to me.

Faulconer and Menza's music sounded about the same to me.

Like you, I'm no music expert, so what I'm saying might be completely wrong but this is the impression I get from watching the series.

Faulconer's score is more upbeat and synthesized which includes techno and electronica tracks with little to no guitar or drum use.

Menza's score is more softer in tone and it includes guitar and drum use in every track.

[LilKokuLink]

In what scene did the dub music surpass the original? It'd be nice to get some context. Tell me a specific scene.

This is my opinion where I think the dub music surpasses the original... These are the ones I can remember best. Take the time to look at it if you're interested.

- Goku Goes Super Saiyan 3 for the first time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0MK9mm6-vA - Original Japanese.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NqKe549 ... re=related - Funimation dub.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Iy8XZIU1HM - 5.1 surround soundtrack.
- Vegeta's Final Flash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQoccKwsQZg - Original Japanese.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP14O1si-NU - Funimation dub.


I'm not sure if you wanted the new 5.1 soundtrack, so I added the one I could find.

[UristtheGreat]

Vegeta's Super Saiyan Theme and Goku's Super Saiyan 3 Theme are some of the Faulconer tracks I actually enjoy listening to. But ultimately they don't compare to Kikuchi's score.

[VegettoEX]

For the record, this thread is about DBGT music. Unless there are comparisons to be drawn, Faulconer's music has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

[UristtheGreat]

I was referencing the comparison scenes that LilKokuLink posted above me.

[penguintruth]

Goku Goes Super Saiyan 3 for the first time.

Yeah, I still prefer the big, dramatic sweep of the Japanese music to a swell of techno-rock.

But as VegettoEX said, we should keep this about GT's music.

[kenisu3000]

Whoa-hoh! The music section hasn't seen this much action in a long time!

50+ posts in just a matter of a few days in a topic about GT BGM? Wow, Satan must be getting out his snow-blower!

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Vegeta's Super Saiyan Theme and Goku's Super Saiyan 3 Theme are some of the Faulconer tracks I actually enjoy listening to. But ultimately they don't compare to Kikuchi's score.

Agreed, I generally dislike Faulconer's score apart from those two tracks and a few others.

[Super 17]

Whoa-hoh! The music section hasn't seen this much action in a long time!

50+ posts in just a matter of a few days in a topic about GT BGM? Wow, Satan must be getting out his snow-blower!

I know right. Hahaha. Too bad I dont have time to come in here and reply to all of you. Sucks not being 18 and younger :/

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Whoa-hoh! The music section hasn't seen this much action in a long time!

50+ posts in just a matter of a few days in a topic about GT BGM? Wow, Satan must be getting out his snow-blower!

I know who would have thought!


Just goes to show that people get really defensive and post a lot when some people say the replacement music was better than the original.

[jjgp1112]

Can that "new" product be good? Can it have fans? Sure! You exist, after all. Robotech also exists. There's always going to be a fascinating quality about "the original" though, and it's a quality that can't ever be pin-pointed in perfect words. It is because it is. It was first. It's "the" version. That's what someone set out to make, and that's how most people throughout the world prefer to view things -- as was originally intended -- language, music, or otherwise.

Then explain to me why I've personally never cared for the original other than the fact that it's another version? And to go even further than that, why is it that just because it's original, that it means it's automatically correct in someone's opinion. Some people may think that this song fits This scene (at around 1:10 or so) more than the slow paced music used originally (at around 6:15 or so). It's all subjective and some people may look at change as an improvement, not a detriment. There's more than just what you think.

[JulieYBM]

The original is factually the correct version. Liking or disliking it has nothing to do with the matter. A licensor's adaptation/reversioning does not affect the fact that the original is the proper and universal representation of the series.

[jjgp1112]

The original is factually the correct version. Liking or disliking it has nothing to do with the matter. A licensor's adaptation/reversioning does not affect the fact that the original is the proper and universal representation of the series.

No, it's just the original: it doesn't make it correct just because someone intended it that way. Someone could make an epic action movie, but with the soundtrack being polka music that is completely unrelated to what's going on. Most people would bash it for having a horrible score and if someone made a version of the movie music that completely fit the tone, everyone would praise it and call it how the movie should've been scored, regardless of the filmmaker "intending" to have silly polka music as the soundtrack.

So what I'm asking is, if an action movie had a polka music soundtrack, would you say that that soundtrack was correct, even though it didn't fit at all, just because it was what was there originally?