Hermits' immortality

[Kaboom]

Taopaipai is almost 300 years old when the series starts, though. How's he do that?

Really?! I had no idea.

Baba is immortal due to her ties with the afterworld.

Source, please?

I've heard that before. I think it's just fan-conjecture.

[Herms]

Taopaipai is almost 300 years old when the series starts, though. How's he do that?

Really?! I had no idea.

Do be exact, according to Daizenshuu 7 he was born in Age 459, making him 291 years old when he first appears during the RR arc in Age 750.

[Castor Troy]

I almost read this thread as "Herms' Immortality". That means Kanzentai will last forever.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Baba is immortal due to her ties with the afterworld.

Source, please?

Well, she can go freely to and from the afterworld and has been alive for over five hundred years so its safe to say that she is immortal.

About Taopaipai, I just said he wasn't a sennin, I didn't say he wasn't immortal.

[caejones]

I think the sort of mastery that makes the Sen'nins sen'nins differs from the training that makes Goku capable of leveling mountains with a fart.
It took KameSen'nin 50 years to master the kamehameha, and three years to get the water from Karin, while Goku did both of these in a tiny fraction of the time. Even though Kuririn and Yamcha took longer to accomplish these, they both did it more quickly than KameSen'nin.
In Goku's case, well, he's Goku, and a Saiyan to boot. I tend to think "energy" control is an inherent advantage that saiyans have over Earthlings, so Goku's instant Kamehameha isn't all that special.
Kuririn had been at a monistary before training under KameSen'nin, and he and Yamcha both watched KameSen'nin and Goku use the Kamehameha before they used it--and I'm not sure I'd say either learned to control it all that well.
Meanwhile, KameSen'nin blew up the moon.

I think KameSen'nin trained to master ki, while Goku and Kuririn trained to master martial arts. If Kuririn hadn't settled down to start a family, I could see him gaining Sen'nin status.
T'en and Chaozu... I could see either of them to be 'immortal' in the Sen'nin sense by the end of DBZ.
I don't think Goku cares. Hee.


I'm not sure what to make of TaoPaipai, though. Perhaps Tsuru-Sen'nin kept reinvigorating him until he got enough control to keep himself alive for centuries?

[Herms]

Well, she can go freely to and from the afterworld and has been alive for over five hundred years so its safe to say that she is immortal.

Kami could also go freely between the living world and afterlife, and he wasn't immortal. And the Great Elder was over 500 years old, but he died of natural causes. So I don't think that proves anything. There don't seem to be any true immortals in the DB world. Even the Kaioshin have finite lifespans, even though they're the highest gods, and can live for millions of years.

[Kendamu]

I think the sort of mastery that makes the Sen'nins sen'nins differs from the training that makes Goku capable of leveling mountains with a fart.
It took KameSen'nin 50 years to master the kamehameha, and three years to get the water from Karin, while Goku did both of these in a tiny fraction of the time. Even though Kuririn and Yamcha took longer to accomplish these, they both did it more quickly than KameSen'nin.

You also have to remember that, with the Kamehameha, Kamesen'nin likely spent a lot of those 50 years inventing it. Goku and the others got to learn from a master with a finished product by that point.

It's similar to boxing. Modern boxing works based on generating power through certain types of body movement while maintaining mobility. If we go back to the earliest form of gloved boxing (1500-900 BC), it took thousands of years to learn how to turn our bodies and throw our arms out in the exact way that generates the most power and speed. Now that we have this knowledge, though, a person can learn how to do the Jab, Cross, Hook, and Uppercut in a day. Of course, it'd take a lot of practice to master them and clean up the little mistakes (like how Goku and Kuririn's Kamehameha were sloppy at first), but people can get the general idea very quickly.

[fktizle]

He did die, well because of Kid Buu . Regardless, I think their all just sennins. How they accomplish this is beyond me. We could leave it to the fact that they had special training specifically for this purpose. Tao probably did this do. It's stated that the sennin of legend was an alchemist. Maybe thats why Goku and the others couldn't reach that form, because they weren't into alchemy.

[Herms]

Come to think of it, is there any way to prove that normal people on DB Earth don't all live for centuries?

[Scarz]

Come to think of it, is there any way to prove that normal people on DB Earth don't all live for centuries?

My theory is that since DB Earth is so far advance in technology, the health care there must be extraordinary! That's why Baba and Roshi were able to live so long, not to mention Bulma's mother. She doesn't look a day over 30 in GT, must be great having Doctor for a husband.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Come to think of it, is there any way to prove that normal people on DB Earth don't all live for centuries?

My theory is that since DB Earth is so far advance in technology, the health care there must be extraordinary! That's why Baba and Roshi were able to live so long, not to mention Bulma's mother. She doesn't look a day over 30 in GT, must be great having Doctor for a husband.

But dying of old age isn't natural and not connected to health care. Maybe, if normal people do indeed live longer than us in DB Earth, it's to do with their environment. Technology improves with environment, I think. Like, back in the old days, life expectancy wasn't as long as it was nowadays.

[Xyex]

Come to think of it, is there any way to prove that normal people on DB Earth don't all live for centuries?

.....

I'm... not sure there is, actually. I mean... Krillin gets gray hair and all in GT but... that doesn't really mean much. We never see anyone in DB die of old age or anything.

I think there may have been something somewhere (SEG?) that talked about Saiya-jin aging and how they lived about the same length as humans, just stayed in their prime longer, but I can't remember if it gave any kind of age range for them....

[Dayspring]

Wasn't there a potion or phoenix or something mentioned in early DB that granted immortality? I figured 'immortality' in this sense just meant that the aging process was halted or ridiculously slowed.

[Herms]

I think there may have been something somewhere (SEG?) that talked about Saiya-jin aging and how they lived about the same length as humans, just stayed in their prime longer, but I can't remember if it gave any kind of age range for them....

Yeah, that was in the SEG: Character Volume, and no, it doesn't give an actual range for how long Earthlings live.

[alakazam^]

It's stated that the sennin of legend was an alchemist.

Who?