Criticism

[Freeza Heika]

This may or may not have been brought to anyone's attention when it was new, but I recently found this: http://www.b1tchcast.com/?p=17.

I'm not pointing it out because I want to drudge up conflict, I merely thought Vegetto EX would like to know what a podcast with what I imagine is decent exposure, due to the individual fame of those involved, is out there broadcasting in response to his seemingly genuine concern.

If someone pointed out before, then I am sorry for pointing it out again.

[Ex-Dubbie369]

Wow.



Just...... wow..........

I just find it amusing how this asshole talks about journalistic integrity while at the same time, show absolutely none at all.

[B]

He blew it out of proportion and made pretty radical assumptions. I can't recall EX claiming Rager should never dub again or that he hated dubs in general.

While this is technically besides the point of what EX wrote or what this bitch guy is talking about, but when it comes to DBZ, nobody ever seems to get it.

[MarcFBR]

The only people who I imagine will care are the people who hate Mike anyways.

The truth of the matter is, people choose to believe what they want, and nothing else. Far worse has been said about Mike in relation to an imagined insult than the imagined insult even if it was real.

Some people have a stick up their ass and feel the need to pass it on.

And let's be honest, like I said... the only people who will believe it are the people who hate Mike anyways and have never spoken to him, so all the more power to them.

I'm sure right down the corner are the people who believe Funimation is trying to bring the downfall of civilization, they'll have a nice time screaming at each other.


Edit- Also... individual fame... really?

[Blue]

Wow this makes me angry on several different levels. This is the most unprofessional podcast I have ever experienced. What a dick move.

[The Time Traveller]

They read Mike's stuff in a mocking nerd voice in episode 2 of their podcast, and complain about his "shitty English".

Oh God, they keep saying Otaku Rage and Otaku, what the fuck is wrong with these guys...? They sound so serious too, they can't be 13, they sound too old...

[A-dono]

That was good for a laugh.

Talk about your overreactions, though. That guy was outright making shit up and yet he criticizes Daizex's integrity? Classic.

[Big Momma]

I'm sure Mike couldn't care less.

[Captain Awesome]

I found it pretty amusing actually. I always find it completely baffling as to how some people are able to keep perpetuating their own anger by essentially making stuff up that they find even more offensive.

[Kendamu]

It's called "B!TCHCAST." I wouldn't expect them to play nice.

[Freeza Heika]

Edit- Also... individual fame... really?

Well, I haven't heard of one of them, but two come from The Big Bald Broadcast, which is pretty popular, and 1 is a regular contributor on TGWTG.

[Snail]

This guy totally took what Mike wrote out of context. Way to go goof.

[Taku128]

Wow, where the hell did he get all the "dub actors must die" stuff from? I wish there was an easy way to contact this guy because this kind of shit really gets on my nerves. Might send an email later even though I have a feeling I wouldn't get a response.

[Kaboom]

Geez, way to miss the point and be a jerk in the process. The entire point of Mike's comment was that despite any opinions on the dub, Mr. Rager had his sympathy. "We care about this guy regardless of what version of the show he's worked on."

[Taku128]

So I sent a (quite rude) email to the guy who recorded the editorial and got him to elaborate on what he said. I got his permission to re-post the email here.

I have to honestly say that I'm torn between whether or not I should treat this seriously as it's an issue long since dead that I've taken up with all parties involved. Since you bothered to send a message, there's no sense in being a dick about your genuine concerns and defensiveness of Daizenshuu.

I never accused VEX of saying on "multiple occasions" for the death or misfortune of voice actors, that was echoing the sentiment I have towards a broad generalization of subtitle lovers that I call "The Otaku Elite". People that for no other reason than the fact that anime is being dubbed into a language that they can understand, hate the people who has made it their jobs. Is it far that I snapped VEX to that template? Admittedly, no. I don't follow Daizenshuu because I have no interest in Daizenshuu. The moment to moment Japanese happening of Dragonball don't interest me at all.

This became an issue when the article was tweeted by one person, then retweeted by Kyle Hebert giving it a much broader audience. Not only did I take issue with the way that the article was written, but a number of voice actors did as well. Whether or not the way it was written was a misinterpretation, at brass tacks the article comes off as a switch handed jab at voice actors and to Chris specifically. No one had prior knowledge of the Daizenshuu agenda, about VEX's preference to Rager as the voice of Satan, or the prior death of another voice actor to which they treated in a similar manner. Now if you're paraphrasing, that's fine. Being unfamiliar and saying so, but still wishing the actor's family well is fine. But to say that "we may not be fans of the dub" came off as a jab to a lot of people.

It was a broad personal opinion/reaffirmation of the mission statement of Daizenshuu saying that they aren't fans of the dub. Common sense dictates that maybe, in a time of tragedy, saying something that defames the victim even the smallest bit isn't in keeping with what one would call journalistic integrity (i.e. Oh god the towers are going down, but it's full of lawyers so meh).

I never claimed journalistic integrity, I'm not a journalist. I'm an actor an artist and an entertainer. If my flying off the handle at something that I may be angry about in the moment entertains people, so be it. Even at the expense of being wrong and looking like a moron will I go the extra mile if it means people are enjoying the show. I was already given a wag of the finger by another listener over a sports story despite my knowing little about sports.

So to close, I have no problem and you're welcome to defend a dead issue. I've spoken to a number of people on it and everyone has spoken their peace. I appreciate your listening and I hope that despite any four letter words you may have uttered in questioning my reasoning, that you still enjoyed the show.

Have a good and safe weekend,

[the Engineer]

When I emailed back asking if I could repost his email here he said he was okay with it, and also wanted me to add this;

Sure, you can post the response with the additive that honestly, could I approach the whole situation again I wouldn't have had such a knee-jerk reaction to the entire situation and have not since listened to the resulting episode and editorial.

[VegettoEX]

Ugh. I didn't get a chance to respond here on the forum in time.

You'll notice how, for the most part, I simply haven't responded to any of this. My responding would just validate it, I suppose. I was kinda hoping in my own perfect world that you'd all do the same; the less attention you give things like this, the less significant it becomes. Whatever reactions people had, it was something like two months ago. People are entitled to their reactions, sure... but... I don't need to be "defended" like that. Any actions like that make it look like I'm sicking my cronies on them, or something (which is ridiculous to think I'd do, but you all know me and these people don't).

The only person I ever spoke with directly about any of this was Hebert, and that's as far as I wanted to take it. That was two or three months ago. Was kinda hoping it'd just fall off the radar. It really doesn't warrant any more attention.

If you genuinely think there's conversation to be had, by all means go and have it (thought I don't understand why, since everyone had their say months ago). I won't lock the thread, or anything like that, just because I'm choosing to not be involved.

[Taku128]

I think I made it clear enough in my email that I emailed him because it bugged me personally, not because I felt you needed defending.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

With all due respect VegettoEX, I really think you should have edited the news story to exclude the part about you not being a fan of the dub or at the very least, issued an apology.

[Big Momma]

With all due respect VegettoEX, I really think you should have edited the news story to exclude the part about you not being a fan of the dub or at the very least, issued an apology.

I don't think he should do that. I mean, while I personally think the dub bit could have been left out (As in, I don't think there was any real reason to put that in there), if you read it, you can obviously tell there are no ill-feelings that are meant by it.

I'm also going by what was posted on the front page, I haven't listened to the podcast.

[Hujio]

I don't see why people are so intrigued with all this, but that's just me. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, no matter how juvenile they may be. That's what makes the internet so annoying at times... It doesn't help that when you're well known, you basically become a huge target. Besides, until someone complained, I hadn't even given Mike's update a second thought since in my opinion, there's nothing wrong with it.

With all due respect VegettoEX, I really think you should have edited the news story to exclude the part about you not being a fan of the dub or at the very least, issued an apology.

With all due respect, I think you're reading too much into things. Mike only included that statement to show that even though he may not be a fan of his work on the dub, he's a fan of humanity and civility, and gave the man his support anyway. Does that not show any humility at all?

It just seems to me like the people complaining are the ones that are looking for something to complain about. Unfortunately, that means there isn't much to debate, because neither will budge on their thoughts. I'd say just give it up, because I can tell you that the man didn't mean anything by it.