Dragonball Kai (FUNimation English) Dub: General Discussion

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Good thing, because then you'd be an unforgivable person for striking a woman.

That sounds pretty sexist.

Tell that to Android 18.

[Xyex]

The voice perhaps, but her acting seems really weak... In a literal sense. It sounds like she is afraid to raise her voice at all.

It's always sounded to me like she's always out of breath or something. She's got no power to her lungs.

Waaay back when they first announced that they were dubbing DB and putting it on Toonami. There were polls to see who would be the cast based on voice samples. I think Mike might have the samples still.

Haha, I remember that. I voted for her too, I believe.

[VegettoEX]

Nope, I never did find the four Goku files . Back in January 2008 I started posting what I had for some of them, but no-one ever got back to me saying they could fill in the hole with the Goku samples. Sorry, all!

Fairly sure Delgadillo and Nadolny (obviously) were two of the choices, but I can't for the life of me remember what the other two sounded like.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Nope, I never did find the four Goku files . Back in January 2008 I started posting what I had for some of them, but no-one ever got back to me saying they could fill in the hole with the Goku samples. Sorry, all!

Fairly sure Delgadillo and Nadolny (obviously) were two of the choices, but I can't for the life of me remember what the other two sounded like.

Don't worry. They would've sounded like generic kid hero voices. Nadolny's Goku really stands out over Delgadillo's and Henderson's Goku.

[VegettoEX]

Don't worry. They would've sounded like generic kid hero voices. Nadolny's Goku really stands out over Delgadillo's and Henderson's Goku.

How you're about to spew out statements like this and then turn around and bash penguintruth for the exact same thing (simply with an opposing point of view) is beyond me. Are you trying to be ironic? Am I just missing the humor?

I'll give you one thing -- the fans (well, FUNimation's intended audience that was paying attention to them at the time in 1999) certainly spoke, and Nadolny was given the role. At that time. At that place. With those people.

[JulieYBM]

According to Sabat's FaceBook Schemmel's down at Okratron all week, I presume to record for Dragon Ball Kai as he doesn't do anything esle down south...

[penguintruth]

I'll give you one thing -- the fans (well, FUNimation's intended audience that was paying attention to them at the time in 1999) certainly spoke, and Nadolny was given the role. At that time. At that place. With those people.

How many people even knew there was a vote? Do you recall how many votes there were?

I certainly wouldn't have voted for Naldony. But at least her Goku is more believable than her Gohan.

[Gaffer Tape]

I have no idea. All I know is that I voted at the time. I can't for the life of me remember much of it, or who I voted for. All I remember is that one of the losing Pilafs sounded a lot like Peter Lorre... which was kinda funny.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

How you're about to spew out statements like this and then turn around and bash penguintruth for the exact same thing (simply with an opposing point of view) is beyond me. Are you trying to be ironic? Am I just missing the humor?

I said: "stands out over" not "is superior to" and "doesn't sound like like a robot or chain smoker" like penguintruth has said.

I don't have a problem with his opinions, (they shared by most of the people on this forum). I just have a problem with how he says it. Other people on this forum calmly explain why Nozawa is better than Schemmel or Nadolny.

penguintruth on the other hand, angrily badmouths the voice actors and their talent with little justification made.

[linkdude20002001]

Yes, he does go overboard by assuming things about the voice actors' acting skills. 'Cause while they may do terribly as certain characters, that doesn't mean they're bad actors. They just need good voice directors and parts that suit them. Still, "stands out over" and "is superior to" are the same.. exact.. thing. Also, "sounds like robot or chain smoker" is his opinion of the how the character sound (nother against the voice actor). There's nothing wrong with stating his opinion. In fact, many (including myself) share this opinion in regards to Nadolny's Gokuh and/or Gohan.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

'Cause while they may do terribly as certain characters, that doesn't mean they're bad actors. They just need good voice directors and parts that suit them.

I agree, but keep in mind back when they were dubbing Dragon Ball, FUNimation didn't have the wide range of actors to cast like they do now. Schemmel and Nadonly were good choices considering.

Still, "stands out over" and "is superior to" are the same.. exact.. thing

"Stands out over" is more of a subjective point of view. "Is superior to" is more objective. eg. The Dragon Boxes are superior to the Orange Boxes.

[linkdude20002001]

The fact that FUNimation had very few voice actors to choose from doesn't change the fact that the voice actors chosen weren't the best for the parts. If FUNi had only now just gotten the Dragon Ball series, they wouldn't choose Nadolny to voice Gohan (which is obvious since she's been replaced), and Sabat wouldn't be half the cast.

"Is superior to" is also an opinion. The Dragon Box Z sets lack something that the orange bricks have, therefore "The Dragon Boxes are superior to the Orange Boxes" is only an opinion.

[penguintruth]

Incorrect. I have, several times, explained in detail why I prefer certain voices to others. It is the others who disagree who have a tendency to make blanket opinions without specifying why.

No, a bad performance does not equal a bad actor, but many of the performers I'm speaking about are indeed also bad actors, because they have not shown themselves competent in any other role they've been given. And in some cases, some of them have not really acted much outside of their DBZ roles and I have nothing else to go on.

I'm under no obligation to pad my opinions and justifications for them to avoid offending tender sensibilities.

[Gaffer Tape]

"Is superior to" is also an opinion. The Dragon Box Z sets lack something that the orange bricks have, therefore "The Dragon Boxes are superior to the Orange Boxes" is only an opinion.

True, but it really depends on what your view of "superior" is in the context. If a Dragon Ball boxset, for some reason, cropped the show into 2.35:1 and color corrected the show to a putrid shade of brown put in a season of Charles in Charge as an extra feature, and I really love me some Charles in Charge, I might be compelled to say it's "superior." It's all about what you're looking for. Despite all of its technical mess ups, since the orange bricks have the American music, if that's what they're a fan of, they'll say its superior in spite of everything else.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

The fact that FUNimation had very few voice actors to choose from doesn't change the fact that the voice actors chosen weren't the best for the parts.

That's your opinion. We don't really know the other possible kid Goku voice actors FUNimation had. Nadolny was chosen because FUNimation thought she was the best.

"Is superior to" is also an opinion. The Dragon Box Z sets lack something that the orange bricks have, therefore "The Dragon Boxes are superior to the Orange Boxes" is only an opinion.

Superiority isn't an opinion, it's a fact. The King is superior to the Prince, Kaiohshin is superior to Kaioh etc.

[penguintruth]

Superiority isn't an opinion, it's a fact. The King is superior to the Prince, Kaiohshin is superior to Kaioh etc.

In my experience, superiority is used to express both percieved and obvious hierarchy.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Superiority isn't an opinion, it's a fact. The King is superior to the Prince, Kaiohshin is superior to Kaioh etc.

In my experience, superiority is used to express both percieved and obvious hierarchy.

In your experience, but not the actual definition.

[penguintruth]

Main Entry: 1su·pe·ri·or
Pronunciation: \su̇-ˈpir-ē-ər\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin, comparative of superus upper, from super over, above — more at over
Date: 14th century
1 : situated higher up : upper
2 : of higher rank, quality, or importance
3 : courageously or serenely indifferent (as to something painful or disheartening)
4 a : greater in quantity or numbers <escaped by superior speed> b : excellent of its kind : better <her superior memory>
5 : being a superscript
6 a of an animal structure : situated above or anterior or dorsal to another and especially a corresponding part <a superior artery> b of a plant structure : situated above or near the top of another part: as (1) of a calyx : attached to and apparently arising from the ovary (2) of an ovary : free from the calyx or other floral envelope
7 : more comprehensive <a genus is superior to a species>
8 : affecting or assuming an air of superiority : supercilious

— su·pe·ri·or·ly adverb

Can we get back to talking about the show now?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Yes, superiority can mean something is of better quality and rank. What's your point?

[ohaimynameiserik]

Main Entry: 1su·pe·ri·or
Pronunciation: \su̇-ˈpir-ē-ər\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin, comparative of superus upper, from super over, above — more at over
Date: 14th century
1 : situated higher up : upper
2 : of higher rank, quality, or importance
3 : courageously or serenely indifferent (as to something painful or disheartening)
4 a : greater in quantity or numbers <escaped by superior speed> b : excellent of its kind : better <her superior memory>
5 : being a superscript
6 a of an animal structure : situated above or anterior or dorsal to another and especially a corresponding part <a superior artery> b of a plant structure : situated above or near the top of another part: as (1) of a calyx : attached to and apparently arising from the ovary (2) of an ovary : free from the calyx or other floral envelope
7 : more comprehensive <a genus is superior to a species>
8 : affecting or assuming an air of superiority : supercilious

— su·pe·ri·or·ly adverb

Can we get back to talking about the show now?

Agreed. Though if you really wanted to talk about the show, you wouldn't start personal arguments every other post.

Anyway, I'm going to have to agree with most everyone when I say I'm glad Nadolny is not returning for Gohan, but her Goku was not too bad.

All I wanted is for Gohan to not have the same exact tone of voice and ridiculous amounts of rasp from being a toddler all the way until the end of the Cell Arc, and apparently that's what we're getting, so I am happy.