What's with the name censorship?

[jjgp1112]

The two of you (jjgp1112 & Piccolo Daimaoh) are still not doing anything other than the same old tired complaining. Yes, we "force" you to do certain things -- you're simply stating reality, as if that's somehow a problem for the majority of the community (which it clearly isn't). What about it? You don't like it? Yeah. We get it. You keep saying that. You haven't presented a single persuasive bit of reasoning to the community (who, I have to remind you, requested many if not most of these filters) why they should not exist.

Simply "letting" people use inconsistent and nonsensical spellings that originate from one particular "reversioning" of the show does not aid clarity, it does not educate, and does not make Daizenshuu EX (its website and its community) what it is -- for better or worse in your mind. If you want to read and type that stuff, you have plenty of other outlets for it. We are not your FUNimation Fan Club Board, we are not your AB Groupe Fanclub Board...

Where you getting this idea that I want this to be some FUNimation fan club board? Like, what kind of mental gymnastics brought you to even formulating that conclusion?

That's the kind of shit that pisses me off the most. People putting words in my mouth.

Not only that, but what do you even expect me to say? I can't think of a single thing that wouldn't be dismissed with simply, "My forum, my rules, if you don't like it, fuck off." Why is it that when I finally find a GOOD Dragon Ball community full of users who DON'T make posts that make me want to rip my eyes out, there's a bunch of catches to it, like pointless filters?

[VegettoEX]

You quoted my quote (which also mentioned the Freeza filter) and complained. Is that difficult to follow? You're going to toss out the phrase "mental gymnastics" with that one? Really?

[jjgp1112]

How does complaining about a word filter become wanting the site to be a FUNimation fan club? No, seriously, how? That's nothing but either/or reasoning.

[B]

Not only that, but what do you even expect me to say? I can't think of a single thing that wouldn't be dismissed with simply, "My forum, my rules, if you don't like it, fuck off."

Why are you getting so bent out of shape about being expected to use the right names? It's like complaining you have to eat a steak with a fork and knife, when you want to use a ladle and a spatula.

[Xyex]

Not only that, but what do you even expect me to say? I can't think of a single thing that wouldn't be dismissed with simply, "My forum, my rules, if you don't like it, fuck off."

Why are you getting so bent out of shape about being expected to use the right names? It's like complaining you have to eat a steak with a fork and knife, when you want to use a ladle and a spatula.

No, it's more like being told you have to eat a steak with this fork and this knife, not the fork and the knife you brought with you.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

The two of you (jjgp1112 & Piccolo Daimaoh) are still not doing anything other than the same old tired complaining. Yes, we "force" you to do certain things -- you're simply stating reality, as if that's somehow a problem for the majority of the community (which it clearly isn't). What about it? You don't like it? Yeah. We get it. You keep saying that. You haven't presented a single persuasive bit of reasoning to the community (who, I have to remind you, requested many if not most of these filters) why they should not exist.

Simply "letting" people use inconsistent and nonsensical spellings that originate from one particular "reversioning" of the show does not aid clarity, it does not educate, and does not make Daizenshuu EX (its website and its community) what it is -- for better or worse in your mind. If you want to read and type that stuff, you have plenty of other outlets for it. We are not your FUNimation Fan Club Board, we are not your AB Groupe Fanclub Board...

If you're going to filter FUNimation dub names, then why don't you filter other countries' dub names? The fact that you're only filtering FUNimation dub names shows a personal dislike or distaste for FUNimation's dub or FUNimation itself.

[Greenman]

If you're going to filter FUNimation dub names, then why don't you filter other countries' dub names? The fact that you're only filtering FUNimation dub names shows a personal dislike or distaste for FUNimation's dub or FUNimation itself.

Does anyone even use foreign dub names on this board? So why bother?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

If you're going to filter FUNimation dub names, then why don't you filter other countries' dub names? The fact that you're only filtering FUNimation dub names shows a personal dislike or distaste for FUNimation's dub or FUNimation itself.

Does anyone even use foreign dub names on this board? So why bother?

Just for consistency's sake. If he's going to filter FUNimation dub names then why isn't filtering other dubs names that aren't "correct".

[Amigo Ten]

So why don't you suggest some names from other dubs that could be added to the list?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

So why don't you suggest some names from other dubs that could be added to the list?

I don't know, I've only the FUNimation dub and the original dub.

[Amigo Ten]

Are there any incorrect names from other dubs that are commonly used?

[desirecampbell]

The problem is that most English speaking fans are Americans, and most Americans have only seen the FUNi dub, so while this group of fans is by no means the majority of users here, they make the majority of name changes.

I understand why you might feel the FUNi dub is singled out (though why you seem so attached to that particular dub is a mystery) but it's not because Mike hates FUNi; it's because they're the bulk of the name changes that occur. If other dub's name changes ever became a problem, they'd be filtered too (though some names might be difficult, like 'Big Green' or 'Magic Cloud').


Again, the discussion boils down to:
Filter-Names: It helps minimize confusion (both by using names the majority of everyone is familiar with, and reinforcing the original production as the default), and educating the ignorant about what the actual names are (which helps them from being confused about everyone else using the correct names).

Don't-Filter-Names: 'I don't care if it's wrong, I like that name. Also, I'm lazy'. (And it has to be both, if you like the names you can circumvent the filter, and if you're just lazy you don't care about the names).


Again, I'd like to suggest a stickied thread listing all the name filters - that way no one is surprised about a name being changed (which probably leads to most of these threads).

[Xyex]

If you're going to filter FUNimation dub names, then why don't you filter other countries' dub names? The fact that you're only filtering FUNimation dub names shows a personal dislike or distaste for FUNimation's dub or FUNimation itself.

He did say somewhere (this thread? Or was it a different one?) that he was looking to add dubbed names from other countries as well. The reason he hasn't yet is the same reason you mentioned you can't provide any. He doesn't know them.

Again, the discussion boils down to:
Filter-Names: It helps minimize confusion (both by using names the majority of everyone is familiar with, and reinforcing the original production as the default), and educating the ignorant about what the actual names are (which helps them from being confused about everyone else using the correct names).

Except that:
1) The majority of people in NA (which makes up the majority of this board's user base, this accounting for the 'majority of everyone' on the site) is familiar with FUNi's (and/or Viz's) names. Not the Japanese names.

2) Just because someone doesn't use the Japanese names doesn't mean they're 'ignorant' about them, or that they'll be confused one someone else does use them. The vast majority of Japanese names are easily recognizable in the FUNi/Viz names. Ti­en, Fri­eza, Djinn Boo, Vegerot, etc.

Don't-Filter-Names: 'I don't care if it's wrong, I like that name. Also, I'm lazy'. (And it has to be both, if you like the names you can circumvent the filter, and if you're just lazy you don't care about the names).

And here were are back to bashing dub fans again. Funny how these threads always go that way, isn't it?

No, laziness has nothing to do with it. Laziness would be typing out a shorter dub name (like T­ien) and letting the filter convert it for you because Tenshinhan was what you meant. It's not 'lazy' to want to be able to write out a name and have it left alone in your post. It is, however, lazy to use a word filter to change names instead of just dealing with the few and rare cases of confusion that would crop up from their use.

Besides that, how many people on this board actually know how to by-pass the filter and get Ti­en without as apposed to Tien? Or would go ahead and do so even if they knew (not due to 'laziness' but because on most sites by-passing word filters is not allowed)?

Again, I'd like to suggest a stickied thread listing all the name filters - that way no one is surprised about a name being changed (which probably leads to most of these threads).

Being surprised by them isn't what causes most of these threads. Their mere existence is what causes them.

[Li'l Lemmy]

While I'm all for free debate, this thread feels like it's running in circles.

I accept that those who disagree with the filter have a right to argue against it. But unless I'm missing something, the case has yet to be truly stated. I see plenty of people who don't like the filter and just as many reasons why they don't like it, but I don't see any reasons why it should be changed other than . . . well, not liking it. Which simply isn't valid.

Keep in mind that this forum and its policies are not ours to decide as we please. This isn't a democracy-- a popular vote of "I want" is simply not enough. If those who disagree with the current censorship want any chance of convincing the administrators to repeal or even just amend the policy, they have to appear credible and make a substantial argument. The idea is to outweigh or at least match the reasoning of the opposing side, not to picket them into submission; the latter simply will not work. I'm not saying that whining is all that's been going on, but at the same time there hasn't been anything particularly constructive IMHO.

1600th post.


~Da Lemmy

[Bussani]

It's been going in circles since about page three. Mike's already pointed out that FUNimation isn't being singled out, but people tend to forget these things and just keep repeating themselves instead.

And to be honest, if it feels like FUNimation is being singled out, doesn't that just mean they come up with a lot of ridiculous name changes?

[Xyex]

It's been going in circles since about page three. Mike's already pointed out that FUNimation isn't being singled out, but people tend to forget these things and just keep repeating themselves instead.

And to be honest, if it feels like FUNimation is being singled out, doesn't that just mean they come up with a lot of ridiculous name changes?

I wouldn't say ridiculous. I mean, there's some odd ones, like Fri­eza. But nothing ridiculous. Like Big Green.

[jjgp1112]

It's funny how some of you are acting like we just don't WANT to use the original names at all. Assuming, much? It's the fact that the names that we DO use and are USED to using are being changed without our discretion. Who cares if we can circumvent the filter? Why should I have to that in the first place? Why can't my post come out as I typed it without having to come up with a clever way to say Frieza?

Shit, the way that I used to bypass the filter doesn't even work anymore anyway (and it conveniently stopped working almost immediately after I mentioned it in the IRC chat a while ago), so that point that you guys fall back on is moot now.

[Amigo Ten]

Well, if it's not that you don't want to use the original names, what is there to complain about? The general point is that you want to be able to use Funimation specific names in general discussion right?

[B]

Can't you give a better reason than "I'm used to it?" I was used to pronouncing the phrase "upside-down" as "upslide-down" until I turned 7, when I wrote it down and my mother corrected me. Yeah, it was weird adjusting to it, but I got over it because that was just the way it was pronounced.

Adding onto that, the main argument for the filter is to keep the names as close to their original interpretations as possible. It keeps the focus on the material that started all of this. It only conveniently falls into "sub fans'" personal preferences. Your argument relies solely on your personal preference.

[jjgp1112]

Well, if it's not that you don't want to use the original names, what is there to complain about? The general point is that you want to be able to use Funimation specific names in general discussion right?

Basically.