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Post by lost in thought » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:21 am

'lo legends wrote:(2 and Buu's Fury...there is no 1. I repeat, there is no 1).
Thats like denying the existance of GT, because you don't believe it's part of the Dragonball storyline. There is a first game in the series, and yes it is pretty bad, and denying it's existance is foolish, and illogical.
'lo legends wrote:I think it is because this is a PS2 game. You expect a lot more out of a PS2 game. You can get away with "beat 'em up" style gameplay that is a lot more shallow on the GBA because you can't do as much with the GBA.
True, people do expect a lot more from a PS2 game, and some a good deal more than they should. Although I wouldn't say you could 'get away' with games that are half as good on the GBA compared to their console counter parts, as much as I would that they make games with a smaller scope.

A small but decent fraction of the games on the GBA are relatively good, but you kind of have to understand that the Gameboy Advance just isn't a big time console with the power to dish out everything you want, and it still using cartridges can only take it so far; even so, developers have done great things with the console, just look at Fire Emblem- that game makes many console titles of the same style look like cheap knock offs... Looking at the Legacy of Goku series, One was a dissapointment, but Two was quite the game... even if you do want to knit pick that in order to level up you've got to fight the same monsters over and over again (ever play console RPGs? It's a common trend.)
At the end of the day LOG2, and Buu's Fury are probably some of the best Action/Adventure (with a dash of rpg-ness,) titles you'll play on the GBA for awhile, even with their flaws. It makes me think though, even as strong of games as they are, people still pick out flaws... and it makes me think, is it possible DragonBall Z isn't entirely suited for the genre it's been placed in on the GBA? I think it's just fine, and that fans are just overly critical... and shouldn't be, since these are likely the best DBZ gaming years we'll see for a long time. (It's more than likely that the gaming end of DBZ will run out soon, and we wont see any more titles based on it; when that day comes, I'll be glad I've got my LOG games, and my Budokais!)
'lo legends wrote:However, using the power of the PS2 Sagas could have been a very great game.
Using the power nothing. The "power" you refer to, is just the ability to render the highest quality graphics, and sound the machine can possible do... Even with the absolute best graphics, Sagas would still be bad, and people would still be in an uproar about it; likely slightly different in nature though.
The only way that there could have been to make Sagas better, was to either give it to another developer (Dimps comes to mind,) or keep pushing back the release date to refine it; which neither have happened.
Ironicly... this reminds me of the debate about B3's DU being partially unfinished, and that got me thinking about how short of time Sagas released under, and the thought that Sagas could be Atari's excuse for the unfinished DU. If that were the case, fans are pretty pissed to say the least.

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Post by askani son » Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:37 am

Thats like denying the existance of GT, because you don't believe it's part of the Dragonball storyline. There is a first game in the series, and yes it is pretty bad, and denying it's existance is foolish, and illogical.
I think it was meant as a joke :roll:
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Post by Mugenmidget » Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:50 pm

'lo Legends wrote: I think it is because this is a PS2 game. You expect a lot more out of a PS2 game. You can get away with "beat 'em up" style gameplay that is a lot more shallow on the GBA because you can't do as much with the GBA. However, using the power of the PS2 Sagas could have been a very great game.
If that were the case I think we'd see a lot more "A-list" titles on PS2.

For me, the Playstation 2 always will be the "money machine," the place where developers find it easiest to pump out generic games.

Still, I understand its "capabilities," but a good game should be able to transcend any such "limitation." We've seen stellar GBA titles that go above and beyond the beat 'em up, just as we've seen stellar PS2 titles. It's all in the hands of the "imagineers," and not so much because the system can push prettier polygons.

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Post by lost in thought » Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:47 pm

Mugenmidget wrote:Still, I understand its "capabilities," but a good game should be able to transcend any such "limitation." We've seen stellar GBA titles that go above and beyond the beat 'em up, just as we've seen stellar PS2 titles. It's all in the hands of the "imagineers," and not so much because the system can push prettier polygons.
My point exactly.
'lo legends wrote:However, using the power of the PS2 Sagas could have been a very great game.
I was just thinking about that again... tell me, if the 'power' of the PS2 is as grand as all of that, why is Xenosaga 2 such a let down?

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Post by DBW » Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:18 am

You guys realize that Sagas was made for all platforms, right? You can't really make a PS2 argument one way or the other, since this isn't a PS2 title. This game has nothing to do with the current power or capabilities of Sony's console...

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Post by Xyex » Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:56 pm

spikemcruffy wrote:The game was rushed and was another pointless DBZ game , I hate all this new shit being made by crappy companys.

I think we would have all enjoyed it if we could rummage through some quality Dragonball games rather than piles of crap ones.

Seriously I think I'm going crazy , what was the point of Budokai 2?
I thought for a minute that Budokai 3 would have much more to do with GT , but no it looks like another excuse to make another Budokai. It's the same thing!

One more thing , why havent they released Advance Adventure on the GBA yet? No ones going to buy it by the time DS has flown into the market , and if thats the case they could well not release it over here.

I think a spin off of a character like trunks only Devil May Cry style would work , but what good company would make that?
1) Budokai 2 was awesome.
2) Budokai 3 was 10x more awesome than 2.
3) Advance Adventure is out. I've played it. I've beat it. It's a blast.
4) DMC is a great game, but not very well suited to DBZ adaptation.
5) DBZ needs a Sagas like game with more openness and ZoE sytle combat.
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Post by askani son » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:01 pm

1) Budokai 2 was awesome.
2) Budokai 3 was 10x more awesome than 2.
3) Advance Adventure is out. I've played it. I've beat it. It's a blast.
4) DMC is a great game, but not very well suited to DBZ adaptation.
5) DBZ needs a Sagas like game with more openness and ZoE sytle combat.
I cannot agree any more. *nods frantically* (Please someone help me!! I can't stop this...*grasps head*)
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Post by DBW » Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:18 pm

Xyex wrote:3) Advance Adventure is out. I've played it. I've beat it. It's a blast.
I'm sure he means for the American market. It's probably not out for the same reason that "Bukuu Tougeki" isn't out. Because it creates serious competition for the Legacy of Goku series, which I'm sure FUNimation doesn't want.

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Post by SaiyamanMS » Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:31 pm

DBW wrote:
Xyex wrote:3) Advance Adventure is out. I've played it. I've beat it. It's a blast.
I'm sure he means for the American market. It's probably not out for the same reason that "Bukuu Tougeki" isn't out. Because it creates serious competition for the Legacy of Goku series, which I'm sure FUNimation doesn't want.
Uh... I thought "Bukuu Tougeki" was released for the American market under the title "Supersonic Warriors"...

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Post by tealsmith » Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:36 pm

Xyex wrote:
spikemcruffy wrote: 5) DBZ needs a Sagas like game with more openness and ZoE sytle combat.
That's always been my dream DBZ game. Huge, open, pretty, and ZOE-esque combat.

Oh, and an original story would be nice too. Seriously, the DBZ storyline was good, but do we have to play through it in EVERY SINGLE GAME? Are we ever gonna get a DBZ game with an original story, or are we forever doomed to sit and watch as developers figure out how many different ways they can tell the Saiya-Jin, Freeza, Cell, and Buu sagas?
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Post by Mugenmidget » Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:28 pm

SaiyamanMS wrote:
DBW wrote:
Xyex wrote:3) Advance Adventure is out. I've played it. I've beat it. It's a blast.
I'm sure he means for the American market. It's probably not out for the same reason that "Bukuu Tougeki" isn't out. Because it creates serious competition for the Legacy of Goku series, which I'm sure FUNimation doesn't want.
Uh... I thought "Bukuu Tougeki" was released for the American market under the title "Supersonic Warriors"...
You thought right.

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Post by DBW » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:21 pm

SaiyamanMS wrote:Uh... I thought "Bukuu Tougeki" was released for the American market under the title "Supersonic Warriors"...
Was it? LOL, I never even heard of it. I guess I gotta pay more attention to the American releases of these things. :lol:

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Post by Xyex » Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:25 am

tealsmith wrote:
Xyex wrote: 5) DBZ needs a Sagas like game with more openness and ZoE sytle combat.
That's always been my dream DBZ game. Huge, open, pretty, and ZOE-esque combat.

Oh, and an original story would be nice too. Seriously, the DBZ storyline was good, but do we have to play through it in EVERY SINGLE GAME? Are we ever gonna get a DBZ game with an original story, or are we forever doomed to sit and watch as developers figure out how many different ways they can tell the Saiya-Jin, Freeza, Cell, and Buu sagas?
Well, it's not too often games stray that far from the source material. But it would be rather cool if they created a game that had a brand new saga between Kid Buu's defeat and Uub's first appearance. Or, hell, include the Garlic Jr. Saga for once. I know several kids who were rather confused as to why Garlic Jr. wasn't in any of the Budokai games until I explained it...
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Post by Pedro The Hutt » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:22 am

spikemcruffy wrote: Seriously I think I'm going crazy , what was the point of Budokai 2?
A fun light hearted retelling of the DBZ story? =D
I quite like Dragon World... also like the fact that it's pure DBZ without any Brollies or Bebis XD.

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Post by tealsmith » Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:35 pm

Xyex wrote:Well, it's not too often games stray that far from the source material. But it would be rather cool if they created a game that had a brand new saga between Kid Buu's defeat and Uub's first appearance. Or, hell, include the Garlic Jr. Saga for once. I know several kids who were rather confused as to why Garlic Jr. wasn't in any of the Budokai games until I explained it...
The Garlic Jr. Saga would be a nice addition. Short, but nice.

Anyways yeah, a 'Movie' type plotline, the time between Buu's defeat and Uub's appearance would be perfect. As long as the story didn't focus of Broly, I'd be happy :P

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Post by Xyex » Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:38 pm

Hey, if it means seeing it in a game, I'll gladly give them my "Dark Earth" Fanfic idea to use for the plot. It comes complete with original bad-guys! Hell, who knows, someone there may be here so I'll spell it out real quick.

It starts off with clouds suddenly forming across the planet as an electromagnetic storm begins. After the world is covered clouds turning day to night tears in the fabric of space begin to form and very evil looking creatures begin to emerge and attack the Earth in the name of the Lord Abyss (or whatever. That's just the current tenative name), the supreme ruler of the Black Dimesion (or whatever I end up calling it).

The Z-Fighters split up to deal with these attackers and eventually find a way to enter the Dark Dimension. Instead of just waiting for the next wave of bad guys to come to them they head through to the other universe and begin fighting their way passed more lackies and eventually fight Lord Abyss himself, of course.

As I said, it's basic at this point, but that's the concept...
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Post by lost in thought » Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:17 pm

Yeah... you lost me at "Dark Earth".

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Post by askani son » Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:13 pm

Hey, Xyex! Are your fanfics anywhere online? Sounds cool.
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Post by The S » Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:02 am

I got confused after "Hey,".
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