Why is the "FRIEZA" spelling wrong?

[linkdude20002001]

Well, they might get the "jy" sound from words like "vagina", but "Vegito" is not that hard of a word to mispronounce.

Lol. Imagine if someone was named Vagina (Vah-jee-nah).

Anyways, back to talking about Dragon Ball...
Pronouncing Vegito as veh-jy-toh is certainly possible for non-fans. Just like the people who say veh-geh-toh for Vegetto.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Lol. Imagine someone named Vagina (Vah-jee-nah).

Anyways, back to talking about Dragon Ball...
Pronouncing Vegito as veh-jy-toh is certainly possible for non-fans. Just like the people who say veh-geh-toh for Vegetto.

Yeah, "Vegito" is certainly possible to mispronounce, just not as easy to as "Vegetto"

[linkdude20002001]

I still don't get why FUNi went with Vegito instead of Vegeto... It makes them look like those people that say Bejiita-sama, only less accurate of a romanization.

Wait, what was the original question? ...Frieza, and why that spelling's wrong. Okay, so, Frieza isn't wrong, it just is less accurate and goes against the more accurate Freeza (which is the "official" spelling used in Japan). And that's "more accurate" in the sense that it's the most logical spelling. It has nothing to do with right or wrong, because there is no right or wrong.

[Olivier Hague]

Frieza isn't wrong, it just is less accurate

No, it's not.

that's "more accurate" in the sense that it's the most logical spelling.

That says nothing about its accuracy.

[linkdude20002001]

I know I wasn't using the word "accurate" accurately... That's why I specifically pointed out what I meant when I said Freeza is "more accurate"; I meant it was "more logical", but that sounds weird.

[Metalwario64]

I meant it was "more logical", but that sounds weird.

That sounds like Spock.

[Silver Sinspawn]

This is the longest you guys have gone without getting totally off topic. But, how long will this go on for?

You'll never come to a consensus.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

This is the longest you guys have gone without getting totally off topic. But, how long will this go on for?

You'll never come to a consensus.

Agreed.


The people who think "Frieza" is pronounced "Fryza" and hate the spelling because FUNi used it, will never agree with the people who think the spelling is an accurate transliteration and pronounced the same as "Freeza".

[VegettoEX]

Forgive me for setting a few folks up on a pedestal with this remark. Don't mean to sound like an ass, but I think it answers the question a little better.

When asked of the folks "that matter" (myself, Julian, Hujio, Herms... ya' know, the website maintainers 'n such, as well as the moderators of this forum)... none of us legitimately believe that "FRIEZA" is an incorrect adaptation of the kana that spells out his name in Japanese.

We're not saying that.

We're saying it doesn't make much sense to use, it is far more questionable in terms of pronunciation and other issues, and there's no basis in the entire rest of the world for using it.

Furthermore, it wouldn't even be a conversation if one particular company didn't feel the need to spice things up in 1997 when the character came around. The spelling didn't exist at all before then, and without that one company, I'd wager that no-one in the world would ever have decided to use it, either.

This is all just a case of people who are brainwashed with (or at least complacent with to a frightening degree) FUNimation material arguing against people who have no particular affiliation with or affinity to that company's product.

In an alternate universe, you're asking us this same question about "Gulud" (or hey, maybe even "Gulood" or Olivier's awesome example of "Chorrudot") and we're responding in the exact same way. Think about it from that angle, and you'll probably have to sit back and think before you respond with nothing other than emotional attachment to FUNimation decisions from more than a decade ago.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I also don't mean to sound like an ass while saying this but if you don't think "Frieza" is an incorrect adaptation of the katakana, why is it filtered?

[VegettoEX]

I also don't mean to sound like an ass while saying this but if you don't think "Frieza" is an incorrect adaptation of the katakana, why is it filtered?

That's an entirely separate conversation. Do you really want to have that again? Because it's been done. Before. Multiple times. And I have to imagine you were a part of it. Because it's the kind of thing you seem to revel in.

We are not a FUNimation fan forum. This forum is an extension of this website, which covers FUNimation if and only when (for the most part) it affects the original Japanese version of the franchise -- because that is what we are about. We gear all of our discussions, interests, and education around that sole version. When certain name spellings interfere with that goal, or because they frighten us with their over-use and showcase of just how insignificant we are to the rest of you FUNimation dub fans, we run into our corner with our hands over our ears and force you to do things the way we want to do them.

Also, it's ludicrous, community members have supported the filters and recommended additional ones, and it's a great way to start heading everyone toward a style guide for the wiki.

Do you want to continue that discussion in a new thread (...again...), or would you rather stay on-topic? We really have absolutely nothing more to say about it.

For the record, I'm happy to filter "Chorrudot" if you'd like.

[Dayspring]

The people who think "Frieza" is pronounced "Fryza" and hate the spelling because FUNi used it, will never agree with the people who think the spelling is an accurate transliteration and pronounced the same as "Freeza".

Of course not. With the exception of the word ''frieze'' -which is an appropriated word, not an original English one- there is no precedent for F-R-I-E to be pronounced as anything other than ''fry'' in the English language. Why should people who think it's pronounced ''Fryza'' agree that it's an accurate transliteration? I'll argue devil's advocate for any transliteration of Furiiza, but only if it's pronounced like 'Freeza' (and is viable). Blame it on the writer in me if you want, but I don't see ''Frie'' being one that does.

[Olivier Hague]

With the exception of the word ''frieze'' -which is an appropriated word, not an original English one- there is no precedent for F-R-I-E to be pronounced as anything other than ''fry'' in the English language. Why should people who think it's pronounced ''Fryza'' agree that it's an accurate transliteration?

Because they should probably realize English phonetics aren't all there is?

[Dayspring]

With the exception of the word ''frieze'' -which is an appropriated word, not an original English one- there is no precedent for F-R-I-E to be pronounced as anything other than ''fry'' in the English language. Why should people who think it's pronounced ''Fryza'' agree that it's an accurate transliteration?

Because they should probably realize English phonetics aren't all there is?

No, but it's definitely part of it. You're taking something and saying these are how they work in English. When one of those words don't work in the English language, be it because of English phonetics or any other reason, it shouldn't be considered a valid translation. If we didn't care, the English versions would be more direct (ex: Furiiza in Japanese would be ''Furiiza'' in English that way).

[Olivier Hague]

When one of those words don't work in the English language, be it because of English phonetics or any other reason, it shouldn't be considered a valid translation.

We're talking about names, here. My name doesn't follow English phonetics, for example. And it doesn't need to be "translated", as it's, well, a name.

[Gaffer Tape]

Tell that to everyone who pronounces Mr. Satan's name "say-tan".

But with that logic, it seems like you'd just as well off keeping everything strictly romanized. Granted, I wouldn't be totally against that...

[Amigo Ten]

I would. Screw all that. It's like when Godzilla fans say "desutoroya" or however it's spelled exactly. Gets right up my nose.

[Gaffer Tape]

Maybe you should take an antihistamine for that.

[linkdude20002001]

I would. Screw all that. It's like when Godzilla fans say "desutoroya" or however it's spelled exactly. Gets right up my nose.

Wow. Where'd you get THAT spelling? It's Gojilla by the way. The ji was just romanized as dzi. It's a very stupid type of romanization.

[Amigo Ten]

I didn't get it from anywhere exactly. I was just spelling it how I've heard people say it. And I'm no more likely to start using "Gojilla" than I am "Bloomer".