Which type of fusion can increase power more?

[Xyex]

Ok, I got it. The Potara fusion isn't A times B, Vegetto is, because he's made of rivals. Kibitokai is made of one guy who's completely subservient to the other, therefore he doesn't get much of anything out of it

It's a nice idea, but it still puts base Vegetto so far above... everything... that the use Super Saiya-jin should have caused the entire universe to explode from the sheer force of the shockwave created by the transformation. He's, like, over 150,000x stronger than Kid Buu, even without SSJ.

[Rocketman]

It's a nice idea, but it still puts base Vegetto so far above... everything... that the use Super Saiya-jin should have caused the entire universe to explode from the sheer force of the shockwave created by the transformation. He's, like, over 150,000x stronger than Kid Buu, even without SSJ. :?

The universe knows better than to be a bitch and try exploding while Vegetto's around.

[Vagrant_Samurai]

I'd like to give this my two cents.

Personally, in the DBZ-Universe, I doubt Psychology would have any effect untul Vegetto was actually formed. The Rivalry between Goku and Vegeta would only affect his personality. And along with that, his creativity. That is where we get such lovely numbers such as the Final Kamehameha. Goku and Vegeta's..."Intricate Understanding" of each other is what makes Vegetto so effective, however I do not believe it affects his strength. Intelligence and Wisdom are valuable parameters, not just Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution. (Goku being Wisdom and Vegeta being Intelligence, of course.)

Also, on the point of Battle Power, I would assume it measures Ki Potency. Where Mr.Satan only has a very low Battle Power (Isn't it like 15?), it only shows he lacks mastery of Ki. Son Goku in Dragon Ball was rocketing far above that BECAUSE of his Ki manipulation. Personally, I don't care how big your muscles are, you can't punch a mountain and expect it to break without Ki. I don't think we'll be seeing Mr.Satan use a Kamehameha anytime soon.

[Bussani]

I'd like to give this my two cents.

Personally, in the DBZ-Universe, I doubt Psychology would have any effect untul Vegetto was actually formed. The Rivalry between Goku and Vegeta would only affect his personality. And along with that, his creativity. That is where we get such lovely numbers such as the Final Kamehameha. Goku and Vegeta's..."Intricate Understanding" of each other is what makes Vegetto so effective, however I do not believe it affects his strength. Intelligence and Wisdom are valuable parameters, not just Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution. (Goku being Wisdom and Vegeta being Intelligence, of course.)

These are some good points. Of course, since ki is (at least partially) a mental/spiritual energy, combining two personalities to make a new one can probably have unpredictable results on the raw amount of ki one can put out--in other words, their raw strength--as well as how well they use it. If so, it's easy to imagine how fusing with Mr. Satan might not producing a very good result, and it probably makes predicting the strength of a fusion more difficult than simple maths.

[Dayspring]

Ok, I got it. The Potara fusion isn't A times B, Vegetto is, because he's made of rivals. Kibitokai is made of one guy who's completely subservient to the other, therefore he doesn't get much of anything out of it

It's a nice idea, but it still puts base Vegetto so far above... everything... that the use Super Saiya-jin should have caused the entire universe to explode from the sheer force of the shockwave created by the transformation. He's, like, over 150,000x stronger than Kid Buu, even without SSJ.

But... so what? Picture Kamesennin going after Bulma and Puar. Alone, they don't stand a chance. Fused, it becomes like having Kamesennin going up against Freeza. Overkill, yes, but necessity. It's the same concept with Gohan Boo and Vegetto: base Vegetto can easily dominate the fight, but there's a chance he can't do so with the magic, so he needs to increase his strength a bit more just to be on the safe side. The only way to do so is transform, even if transforming now would be total overkill. It's like being 5 cents short of being able to afford something you want or even need, but all you have extra is a $100 bill. You'll get an insane amount of change, but the alternative is not having enough.

As for strength meaning next to nothing, I strongly disagree, or else SSJ2 and SSJ3 would mean nothing compared to regular SSJ. Plus I meant for you to think of it this way:
BP = Strength + Ki.
SSJ BP = (50 x Strength) + (50 x Ki)
SSJ2 BP = (100 x Strength) + (50 x Ki)
SSJ3 BP = (400 x Strength) + (50 x Ki)

Another way would be to take it as "Strength" being the end result of transfering your ki into your muscular ability. The Kaioshin are insane when it comes to amount of ki, but clearly weak when it comes to using it for combat. It's like their ki represents 1,000,000 units of power, but because of their strength, they can only tap into 1,000 units. Fuse the strength, and they can use all of the 1,000,000 but still need another 500,000 before they can even start being helpful. Goku and Vegeta would be at 500,000 ki units, but able to use 400,000 units. Fuse that, and Vegetto doesn't even need to use any ki units.

[MCDaveG]

Simple question I found in manga, Potara fusion is the best way to increase power.

[Cableguy15]

Just a quick thought... what if the Super Exciting guide wasn't always referring to the same general thing when they named the SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, and Potara increases?

What I mean is, the 50x multiplier given refers to battle powers (Which was only implied by Daiz #7 through the listed battle powers, confirmed to be a constant 50x increase in SEG), because during that time Battle powers still held a slight amount of importance and were of some relevance. But the SSJ2, SSJ3, and Potara increases? Not so much. By the time those things were revealed or used, the closest thing to power measurement was Kiri. So why not Kiri? It actually coincides pretty nicely if you think about it. Based on his fight with Yakkon, Goku's SSJ increase (Kiri-wise) appeared to be 3-4x. That's right in the neighborhood of the given SSJ2 and SSJ3 increases given by SEG. And the Potara increase is far more manageable if you do it in Kiris, because everything is practically reset and no longer are the chains of Battle powers strapped around you to control how strong the characters are.

It's kind of like early Dragonball stated increases too. You can't fit battle powers in there because they aren't meant to, perhaps it's the same case with some of the numbers given by SEG? It'd also maybe explain why "Strength" was used instead of "Power" like for SSJ. They're basically the same, but different words might indicate different meanings, even if they're normally supposed to mean the same thing.

[Dayspring]

Just a quick thought... what if the Super Exciting guide wasn't always referring to the same general thing when they named the SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, and Potara increases?

What I mean is, the 50x multiplier given refers to battle powers (Which was only implied by Daiz #7 through the listed battle powers, confirmed to be a constant 50x increase in SEG), because during that time Battle powers still held a slight amount of importance and were of some relevance. But the SSJ2, SSJ3, and Potara increases? Not so much. By the time those things were revealed or used, the closest thing to power measurement was Kiri. So why not Kiri? It actually coincides pretty nicely if you think about it. Based on his fight with Yakkon, Goku's SSJ increase (Kiri-wise) appeared to be 3-4x. That's right in the neighborhood of the given SSJ2 and SSJ3 increases given by SEG. And the Potara increase is far more manageable if you do it in Kiris, because everything is practically reset and no longer are the chains of Battle powers strapped around you to control how strong the characters are.

It's kind of like early Dragonball stated increases too. You can't fit battle powers in there because they aren't meant to, perhaps it's the same case with some of the numbers given by SEG? It'd also maybe explain why "Strength" was used instead of "Power" like for SSJ. They're basically the same, but different words might indicate different meanings, even if they're normally supposed to mean the same thing.

This could work. Kiri is pretty much the energy you're emitting when fighting very strongly. For "just because" reasons, Kaioshin and Kibito's Kiri couldn't be absorbed to awaken Boo, while Kibitoshin is still somehow weaker than SSJ3 Goku. Added to that, Kaioshin is both stronger than SSJ2 Gohan and weaker than regular SSJ Gohan. If their strength comes from something other than Kiri, and thus their Kiri levels are substancially lower, multiplying Kiris would explain everything.

So for people like Goku and Vegeta, who have 95-100% of their strengths coming from Kiri, a multiplication would be astronomically huge. But for Kibito and Kaioshin, who may have Kiri outputs only on par with the Kaios, this would only mean an increase of a few million (meaning nowhere near as impressive as becoming 4x stronger).