New Freeza Talkback

[jjgp1112]

SSVegetto: Uh...nobody here has ever said that anything Japanese automatically means good. Even though I do think some people here are impossible to please...everything you said was extremely far from the truth.

[MR.Mark]

Fri­eza's new voice is good...if what you were looking for is a voice that sounds exactly like the JP Fr­ieza, I guess.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[jjgp1112]

Fri­eza's new voice is good...if what you were looking for is a voice that sounds exactly like the JP Fr­ieza, I guess.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Well, um...you don't think everybody thinks the JP Frieza is jaw droppingly awesome, do you?

[RazorX]

Finished watching episode 21.

Now I'm of the firm belief that the new Freeza voice IS Newstone with Nakao's mannerism; and the result is good.

Ayres' acting is impressing me more and more. He's calm and yet there's a sinister feel to his voice.

Line highlight of the episode "Greetings my name is Freeza, as you can no doubt summarise for yourselves I'm quite the collector of Dragon Balls." Ayres' delivery made the line even more amusing than it already is.

Also Ayres isn't jumping around in tone as much as the previous episode. Hopefully he's got comfortable in the role by now and is able to maintain the tone he used at the beginning of episode 20 and throughout most of the scenes thereafter.

[SSVegetto]

SSVegetto: Uh...nobody here has ever said that anything Japanese automatically means good. Even though I do think some people here are impossible to please...everything you said was extremely far from the truth.

I read a lot on this forum. More than I post. I don't see giant threads discussing the Japanese dubs like I do with the English ones. I don't see the Japanese dub's being critiqued the way you guys are critiquing the English dubs.

Or where you guys are endlessly bickering and comparing English dubs to every known to man cartoon on this planet. You guys having 7 other posts ahead of my new recent post. Just proves the point. That you guys are still non-stop critiquing the English dub. The way I have never seen in my entire life before. The way I never seen people do it for the Japanese dub. You call that far from the truth? Far be it from me to stop you. Far be it from me to anyone that even cares to read my post. But don't tell me that is far from the truth.

[jjgp1112]

SSVegetto: Uh...nobody here has ever said that anything Japanese automatically means good. Even though I do think some people here are impossible to please...everything you said was extremely far from the truth.

I read a lot on this forum. More than I post. I don't see giant threads discussing the Japanese dubs like I do with the English ones. I don't see the Japanese dub's being critiqued the way you guys are critiquing the English dubs.

Or where you guys are endlessly bickering and comparing English dubs to every known to man cartoon on this planet. You guys having 7 other posts ahead of my new recent post. Just proves the point. That you guys are still non-stop critiquing the English dub. The way I have never seen in my entire life before. The way I never seen people do it for the Japanese dub. You call that far from the truth? Far be it from me to stop you. Far be it from me to anyone that even cares to read my post. But don't tell me that is far from the truth.

Uh...I have nothing to say other than the fact that I'm not exactly the person to direct a rant about people showing favoritism towards the Japanese version at.

[RazorX]

Agree to disagree then, I hear Doc Ock, you hear Newstone. It doesn't matter either way, as the new Freeza voice rocks and suits the character perfectly. It exceeded my expectations completely.

Alright but I cannot see the similarity in an androgynous voice and a voice which can easily be identified as a man's voice. The point of an androgynous voice is that you can't easily tell if it's a man or woman doing the voice.

The new Freeza voice exceeded my expectations, which were low. I thought Funi would mess it up with a random voice but they've done well. It does suit the character and obviously Newstone's suited Freeza.

That doesn't mean Linda's voice wasn't suited for Freeza. Newstone suited Freeza better than Young but I'll wait for more of Ayres' Freeza scenes before I decide whether he's better than Young, though it's looking good for Ayres so far.

[Gaffer Tape]

Uh...I have nothing to say other than the fact that I'm not exactly the person to direct a rant about people showing favoritism towards the Japanese version at.

Heh, yeah, I have to admit that's extremely amusing.

[MR.Mark]

Or where you guys are endlessly bickering and comparing English dubs to every known to man cartoon on this planet. You guys having 7 other posts ahead of my new recent post. Just proves the point. That you guys are still non-stop critiquing the English dub. The way I have never seen in my entire life before. The way I never seen people do it for the Japanese dub. You call that far from the truth? Far be it from me to stop you. Far be it from me to anyone that even cares to read my post. But don't tell me that is far from the truth.

I actually understand where you're coming from, being the "happy medium" fan and all. Nitpicks aside, I think Kai's dub is perfectly enjoyable; in fact it makes this veteran fan both happy and proud. Today's kids are being introduced to a respectable English adaption of this great action epic. I myself am eagerly waiting until my nephew is old enough so I can show him the TV version of Kai.

Certain fans have every right to be hardcore with the "Japanese or nothing" attitude of their show that they love. As die hard fans we're all guilty of entitlement to things we love to a certain degree. However, we forget that at the end of the day, Dragon Ball, manga and anime , was made for primarily for kids. Should kids be expected to read subtitles?
Obviously Japanese kids don't have to, it's us non Japanese adult super nerds that choose to do so, because we're passionate about how the characters and story are treated.

In the end, (good) English dubs are relevant, little kids deserve to enjoy what was made for them, and I can even enjoy this dub. So that makes me happy, everybody wins.

[Herms]

I read a lot on this forum. More than I post. I don't see giant threads discussing the Japanese dubs like I do with the English ones. I don't see the Japanese dub's being critiqued the way you guys are critiquing the English dubs.

Have you honestly somehow missed the endless threads where people criticize Nozawa's portrayal of the Son family?

[TripleRach]

Well, when the site tends to disregard anything but the original version it's not too surprising its forum would be a gathering-place for those that agree with those sentiments. :p

So why aren't we disregarding Kai? So you are basically saying most people here have a brainwashed opinion thinking that anything that isn't in the original version is not good. You are talking about the music. So why aren't we disregarding Toei's new music track for Kai. Oh I know, because it's from Japan.

So that's basically saying, That the music Toei used for Dragonball and Dragonball Z is original. Therefore nobody else could put better music in it or change it? If that's your logic, then why aren't we disregarding Kai? Kai doesn't keep the original music?

Hell, why aren't we disregarding the Toei's Dragonball and Dragonball Z animes? Those aren't the original versions. The manga is the original.

Don't twist people's words around. Nearly every major Dragon Ball product was made in Japan, and thus the Japanese version of those things is the original version. The only exceptions are a handful of video games, like Legacy of Goku, and maybe FUNimation's dub music. So, yes, being from Japan is the same thing as being the original version. Being a purist doesn't make you a Japanophile. Most of your other comments about people's supposed Japan-worshiping are ridiculous and untrue, anyway. Plenty of people do critique the Japanese actors, and other elements of the Japanese production. You're either not looking hard enough, or you're ignoring it.

Also, while I agree that people shouldn't go overboard with their posts, people are allowed to have negative opinions. It doesn't make them whiny basement dwelling losers. But the fact that you made such a huge rant implying that makes me think, "Pot, kettle?"

[Gaffer Tape]

Not to mention the fact that fans are nitpicking the original version of Kai every single week. There's a new thread for every new episode. Every new Japanese episode, I should add. Combine that with the fact that, well, people have been talking about Kai for over a year now. Every single aspect of it, be it the music, the new performers, the old performers have all been discussed, picked apart, and analyzed for quite a while now. The English dub is new. And not only is it new, it comes in the light of several terrible preceding dubs. So... yeah, at the moment, a lot of discussion and nitpicking is going to be directed towards the English dub because... well, why wouldn't it be?

[MR.Mark]

Not to mention the fact that fans are nitpicking the original version of Kai every single week. There's a new thread for every new episode. Every new Japanese episode, I should add. Combine that with the fact that, well, people have been talking about Kai for over a year now. Every single aspect of it, be it the music, the new performers, the old performers have all been discussed, picked apart, and analyzed for quite a while now. The English dub is new. And not only is it new, it comes in the light of several terrible preceding dubs. So... yeah, at the moment, a lot of discussion and nitpicking is going to be directed towards the English dub because... well, why wouldn't it be?

Fully agreed, I for one have been practically living in the Kai forum lately due to all of this.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

Also, where does the English dub go wrong. Well, for people Suupaa Gohan 2, it's just because it is in English. And it's not a perfect English dub because it's in English. Not in Japanese.

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It can't be perfect because English words are spoken? So to speak what you are saying. How about newsflash, neither can the Japanese dub be perfect also. So you are basically saying since millions of other fans that like Sean's Vegeta and Schemmel's Goku voices. So therefore, it can never can be a good English dub. Because their opinions are wrong. And yours is right. And therefore since you are right, the English dub would never be perfect. That's basically shoving your opinion down people's throats as a fact. And saying everyone that likes these voices have the wrong opinion. Therefore it lacks a perfect English dub. And that's why their can't be a perfect English dub. How could million's of people be wrong that it's a good voice?

I would like to hear your idea of a perfect English dub. Perhaps the Japanese dub actors, can spend about 3 years learning English. Then dubbing Kai in English. That's would be your expectation of a perfect English dub. YOUR Expectations are way too high. And you are biased as heck. That is what I get out of your rant. I mean you can't be bothered to explain why Goku and Vegeta's voice is wrong other than to say that it's not Japanese.

I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth, because everything you just said proves that you didn't even read my post, or you're just so ignorant that you pasted your own subtext into every single word I said. I've done nothing but praise the Kai dub in every post I've made thus far. I almost never come on this board because Dragonball isn't exactly a major part of my life anymore, but I checked out Kai out of curiosity having seen the advertisements on Nicktoons when I was watching Avatar (which by the way is an American cartoon that I enjoy quite a bit). I am enjoying it enough that I started coming back to the community and posting a bit about it, because I'm happy. I haven't posted even once to flame the Kai dub because I am enjoying it. I don't like Schemmel and Sabat in their respective roles - I never will, and that's my opinion. I don't think they suit the characters, and never once said anything about that being 'because it's not Japanese'. If that were how I thought then why the Hell have I been praising Ayres performance? Last I checked, he's speaking English, and hey, I'm speaking (typing) English, too!! Amazing, huh, that you would see such a thing on this English-language message board? Please think before you start talking out of your ass.

For the record, my favorite Anime is FullMetal Alchemist (first series). My favorite version is the English dub. The English dub is produced by, wouldn't you know it, FUNimation. I'm really not that fond of the Japanese version. I'd say the same for Yuu Yuu Hakusho, Fruits Basket, and several other FUNimation series'. Hell, I thoroughly enjoy Case Closed, the English dub of Detective Conan, in which almost every character's name has been westernized...I don't understand why they did it that way, I don't agree with the practice, but it's the version of the series I'm familiar with and the changing of Japanese names isn't going to make me ignore what I think is an enjoyable series and an even more enjoyable dub. What version of a series I enjoy has nothing to do with the language being spoken, and for you to so pompously assume you know everything about my preferences and attack me specifically in your post (especially when other posters have said far harsher things than me) when you don't even know me, basing everything around just one post I made in this thread and ignoring the several others I have made in praise of the Kai dub, is completely out of line.

I'm not even going to go into what's wrong with everything else you've said, because A) I'm not a fan of flame wars and B) I think you did a thorough enough job of making an ass out of yourself to where nothing I could add would make any difference.

[Cableguy15]

I see a lot of people judging a character's voice in comparison to the original anime, but I prefer to judge a character's VA on how well they manage to insert their character's mannerisms and quirks into their voice based off the manga.

I don't expect the English dubbed version of Freeza to sound like the original anime version. I only ask that I can buy that Freeza is a snobbish nobleman who delivers his threats in a very strangely polite way, while also having the ability to conceal his anger in his voice at times, but shows it in his words instead. Finally, the VA would need to be able to go completely nuts at times, but that's a requirement of a lot of characters in Dragonball.

So far, I'm liking what I hear. This VA even managed to add in that chuckle original Freeza made iconic as a small bonus. It's not exactly as good, but it's still just what I'd hope for in his laugh.

[jjgp1112]

I see a lot of people judging a character's voice in comparison to the original anime, but I prefer to judge a character's VA on how well they manage to insert their character's mannerisms and quirks into their voice based off the manga.

I don't expect the English dubbed version of Freeza to sound like the original anime version. I only ask that I can buy that Freeza is a snobbish nobleman who delivers his threats in a very strangely polite way, while also having the ability to conceal his anger in his voice at times, but shows it in his words instead. Finally, the VA would need to be able to go completely nuts at times, but that's a requirement of a lot of characters in Dragonball.

So far, I'm liking what I hear. This VA even managed to add in that chuckle original Freeza made iconic as a small bonus. It's not exactly as good, but it's still just what I'd hope for in his laugh.

That's basically the way I do it, too. I base it off of the manga, because even though people say that the dub is supposed to just be essentially a xerox of the JP version, the manga is there, it is the original in every sense of the word, and the anime is an adaptation of the manga, which means it's possible for the JP version to actually not be factually correct for that very reason.

[JulieYBM]

I see a lot of people judging a character's voice in comparison to the original anime, but I prefer to judge a character's VA on how well they manage to insert their character's mannerisms and quirks into their voice based off the manga.

I don't expect the English dubbed version of Freeza to sound like the original anime version. I only ask that I can buy that Freeza is a snobbish nobleman who delivers his threats in a very strangely polite way, while also having the ability to conceal his anger in his voice at times, but shows it in his words instead. Finally, the VA would need to be able to go completely nuts at times, but that's a requirement of a lot of characters in Dragonball.

So far, I'm liking what I hear. This VA even managed to add in that chuckle original Freeza made iconic as a small bonus. It's not exactly as good, but it's still just what I'd hope for in his laugh.

That's basically the way I do it, too. I base it off of the manga, because even though people say that the dub is supposed to just be essentially a xerox of the JP version, the manga is there, it is the original in every sense of the word, and the anime is an adaptation of the manga, which means it's possible for the JP version to actually not be factually correct for that very reason.

The comic and anime are seperate things with their own differences that set them a part. The dub is supposed to reflect that nuance.

[Cableguy15]

I see a lot of people judging a character's voice in comparison to the original anime, but I prefer to judge a character's VA on how well they manage to insert their character's mannerisms and quirks into their voice based off the manga.

I don't expect the English dubbed version of Freeza to sound like the original anime version. I only ask that I can buy that Freeza is a snobbish nobleman who delivers his threats in a very strangely polite way, while also having the ability to conceal his anger in his voice at times, but shows it in his words instead. Finally, the VA would need to be able to go completely nuts at times, but that's a requirement of a lot of characters in Dragonball.

So far, I'm liking what I hear. This VA even managed to add in that chuckle original Freeza made iconic as a small bonus. It's not exactly as good, but it's still just what I'd hope for in his laugh.

That's basically the way I do it, too. I base it off of the manga, because even though people say that the dub is supposed to just be essentially a xerox of the JP version, the manga is there, it is the original in every sense of the word, and the anime is an adaptation of the manga, which means it's possible for the JP version to actually not be factually correct for that very reason.

The comic and anime are seperate things with their own differences that set them a part. The dub is supposed to reflect that nuance.

In some cases, that's true and it sometimes works out for the best. Yu Yu Hakusho comes to mind. But in this case especially, I think it's more important to base VA performances off of the manga, not what they sound like in comparison to the original anime. The goal of Kai is to be faithful to the manga after all.

[penguintruth]

That's ridiculous. Funimation is doing a dub of the anime, not the manga. Let Toei worry about being faithful to the manga. Funimation should be faithful to the Japanese version of the anime. I doubt they've even sat down and read the manga.

[Gaffer Tape]

I agree with both of you. They are adapting the anime; therefore, the dub should be accurate to the anime. But I also don't like to hinder actors in their performances. I don't expect it to be spot on, but I do think they should try to capture a certain essence. Basically, it's all pretty ethereal. I can accept something that's way off base as long as it's done exceptionally well.