Is Saiyan Blood going to "work"?

[Innagadadavida]

A lot of you are implying that "Saiyan Blood" isn't supposed to be corny or over-the-top.

Whether it is or whether it isn't, who cares? It's stupid. Do not want.

Who knows? Maybe they'll listen to Saiyan Blood and go, "ohhh... so that's how it's pronounced!"

They know how to pronounce Saiyan. The folks at FUNimation are not stupid; they have Mr. Simmons doing the translations. Bottom line is, for better or worse, they have a precedent to uphold. Super Sayan is a term in the public consciousness. They're going to stick with what people know over accuracy. To expect anything else is silly.

[Gaffer Tape]

If they were being consistent, I would agree with you. But they're not. They're simply picking and choosing what they want to fix and leaving alone other things. I'll grant you that Saiyan is a bit well known than probably everything else, but the pronounciation of Kaio-ken and Kamehameha are still pretty well ingrained to people as well (especially the latter), but they haven't shied away from breaking people's perceptions of those. So, no, I don't think it's silly to expect a bit of consistency.

[Innagadadavida]

First of all, we never see the Kaioken again after the Freeza saga. It's not a staple. Secondly, they're not pronouncing Kamehameha any differently. Yeah, LONG ago they pronounced it "Kameyameya" but that's been fixed since before I can remember.

Honestly, I don't know why I have to explain this stuff. Their decisions on what to change and why are clear as day to me. They do have a logic. There's a method to the madness.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Picturing "Saiyan Blood" in English sung by Mr. Sabat (in character) just makes me laugh. I really hope it doesn't happen. Maybe get someone else to sing it? Either way, I'm not a fan of the song.

[MR.Mark]

I am a fan of the song, not so much of it being in the show, but I find the song itself fun. Id rather they used an instrumental in Kai but what-eva. DB & Z had it's share of corny image songs too so I'll deal with it.

[Mewzard]

Like I said, I'm the opposite. I could hope for nothing better. At bare minimum, to still be cool with me, I would accept Sabat using his regular, or singing, voice. But, I would prefer to stick with the motif of the song (then again, the song wasn't 100% Horikawa's Vegeta voice, iirc, unless I'm mis-remembering), as the point of the song, to me, is that it's being sung in first person perspective from Vegeta, about himself.

[B]

(Personally I feel like they should have just left the vocals out of Over the Star in the dub. That's one of the types of anime songs that DON'T work when dubbed. The "sweet female Japanese voice" just never works when attempted in the English language, whether spoken or sung. Dubbed songs that attempt it always just sound - and forgive me for using this term but it's the only one that works - really gay.)

I'm not getting this at all? "Sweet female Japanese voice?" When did FUNimation try to "imitate" that with the dubbed song? It pretty much sounds like they found a singer and told her to sing. She doesn't really have any "distinctiveness" in her voice to lead to such a thought. Not to mention you can hardly make out what's she saying anyway and all you hear is the sad melody, so I'd say it worked.

As for "Saiyan Blood," it's really corny and dumb so I guess Sabat singing as Vegeta would fit accordingly. If he did it in his natural voice, people might assume Piccolo is singing. And that'd be gay.

[batistabus]

I love Saiyan Blood...just not as an insert song. I'm not really a fan of insert songs in general (besides the Ginyu Tokusentai). Sabat has a background in singing, so I'd be very surprised if he didn't sing it.

[linkdude20002001]

...They're not pronouncing Kamehameha any differently. Yeah, LONG ago they pronounced it "Kameyameya" but that's been fixed since before I can remember.

They used Kuhmehuhmeyuh Wave all the way through DBZ, and even in DB. So, it's quite ingrained into people who watched the dub. I've got friends who still say it (sometimes with or without the redundant wave) regardless of my attempts to break their silly habit (same one with a habit of calling Freeza "her"). Well, at least he says Saiyan correctly no problem.

[jjgp1112]

But it's been pronounced correctly for the execution of the actual attack since the very beginning, so it's kinda easy to do away with the pronunciation that's used in casual conversations in the show.

Meanwhile, at least in the American fandom, Super Saiyan and Dragon Ball Z are synonymous.

[B]

But it's been pronounced correctly for the execution of the actual attack since the very beginning, so it's kinda easy to do away with the pronunciation that's used in casual conversations in the show.

But that still doesn't stop people from pronouncing it wrong. I'm not disagreeing with you, but I don't see how that's an argument. The characters are building power and elongating the phrase; the actors are pretty much forced to say it correctly.

Hell, in the games, with rapid-fire Kamehamehas pronounced correctly, fans still don't say it right. =/

[MR.Mark]

But it's been pronounced correctly for the execution of the actual attack since the very beginning

Nope, Ian Corrlet and Saffron Henderson used to say "Kamaya-maya" when doing the attack.

[Metalwario64]

But it's been pronounced correctly for the execution of the actual attack since the very beginning

Nope, Ian Corrlet and Saffron Henderson used to say "Kamaya-maya" when doing the attack.

And Peter Kelamis.

[Rocketman]

Which, as I've pointed out before, is how that word is pronounced in English.

[linkdude20002001]

Word? The only word in Kamehame-Ha is the ha meaning wave. The attack is not the same as the Hawaiian King (whose name is mispronounced by English speakers and English dictionaries).

[Kaboom]

Word? The only word in Kamehame-Ha is the ha meaning wave.

Don't forget the signature "kame" meaning "turtle."

[Ashy-kun]

I think he's referring to the fact that "Ha" is the only kanji in the attack name. "Kame" is just spelt in kana (I can't remember if it's in katakana or hiragana), as is "hame". "Ha" however is written out in kanji, the kanji for "wave".

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I think he's referring to the fact that "Ha" is the only kanji in the attack name. "Kame" is just spelt in kana (I can't remember if it's in katakana or hiragana), as is "hame". "Ha" however is written out in kanji, the kanji for "wave".

But still, the "Kame" (which is written in Hiragana) part in the attack name could be translated as "turtle".

[MR.Mark]

But it's been pronounced correctly for the execution of the actual attack since the very beginning

Nope, Ian Corrlet and Saffron Henderson used to say "Kamaya-maya" when doing the attack.

And Peter Kelamis.

Who cares about the Christopher Walken of Gokus?

[Kai_fan]

How do they sound like men that have a homosexual attraction to other men? Or are you just a bigot, considering it's the first and only term that popped in your mind?

Oh lord. Give me a break. Yeah I'm such a "bigot."

I was using "gay" referentially. As in, "this is what a 14 year old boy (the audience for the show) would call it."

But maybe you're right. Maybe from now on I should allow the very sight of the word to twist my panties in knee-jerk, context-blind offense.

Because that will definitely work in dissuading people from using it as an emotionally-charged insult.

"Lame" or "dumb" or whatever don't have any sting anymore. "Gay" does. And exactly BECAUSE people are hypersensitive about it. Your anger is exactly what gives it its power.

And the truth is that "gay" (definition 2) has evolved to convey something fairly nuanced in meaning, which there honestly isn't any other word for. "Lame"/"hokey"/"corny" etc. really don't cut it.

It's like the new secondary meanings for "a bro" or "douche" - neither of which mean "a brother" or "feminine hygiene product", but which have evolved in recent years to refer to specific types of contemporary males and their behavior.

I'm not advocating the use of "gay" as an insult. I don't give a shit who says it or doesn't. And I think THAT'S the right approach: indifference. Holier-than-thou resistance sure as hell isn't.

See: South Park Season 7, Episode 13: "The F Word"
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/251889