The Dragon Ball Wiki

[Hellspawn28]

Yeah the DBwiki is a mess, and they likely made everything based off the Dub due to the fact that most fans watch the dub, and get most of their info from it. I like the idea of another DB wiki since Digimon has two wiki's (Wikimon.net and the Digimon wiki). I don't see why DB can't have a second one?

[Herms]

Edited my initial post a little bit, mainly just to fix typos.

If there is anything else you would like to see changed, please let me know, I am trying my very best to get the wiki into the ranks of being a respected, and reliable source.

I'm going to try looking around the wiki later, but until then here are some things off the top of my head. If they've already been fixed, I apologize.

First are some claims which I know have been in the wiki at some point:

Toriyama originally was going to have Piccolo fall under Babidi's spell, rather than Vegeta.
Toriyama said that the reason no female Super Saiyans ever appeared in the series is because he had trouble drawing them.
In GT, originally Gohan was going to serve as Baby's main host instead of Vegeta.

These claims are, as far as I know, completely baseless. They should be removed unless some legitimate source can be found for them.

Second, and more minor, last I checked the wiki wrote out years in the DB calendar as "X Age", rather than "Age X". I assume this is due to the fact that originally the wiki used the inaccurate "X A.D." to write DB years. I assume that when they started switching to "Age", the accurate translation, they simply used an automatic search and replace program, even though the word "Age" should precede the year number, rather than come after it like with A.D. or B.C. dates. In Japanese though, "Age" (eiji) comes before the year number, and accordingly that's how it's written in the Viz manga ("Age 788" being the only such date mentioned in the actual series, mentioned when Trunks finds Cell's time machine), and in promotional material for DragonBall Online. This isn't exactly major, but it really bugs me (I mean, doesn't "788 Age" sound kinda off to you?), and anyway it's what you should do to be in accordance with the Viz manga.

This last one is sort of debatable, since you want to be a guide to the English version, but according to the Japanese creators of DBGT (as said in the DBGT Perfect Files, the official guides to the series), the series takes place 5 years after the end of Z, rather than 10, which is what the wiki used that last I checked. As far as I know, the Funi dub of the actual GT series never says the series takes place 10 years after Z. Rather, the "10 years later" statements are limited to secondary material like old ads and whatnot. Personally, I think that if the English version of the actual series never explicitly mentions it being 10 years later, while the Japanese creators of the series say its 5, then you should say it's 5 and not 10 years later. If you do want to stick to 10 years later, you should be sure to mention this discrepancy between the Japanese and English versions (last I checked, your timeline page said it was taken straight from the daizenshuu and Perfect Files books, despite completely ignoring the GT year dates given in the latter), and cite whatever Funi materials say GT is set 10 years after Z.

Also, besides the problems with the wiki's accuracy, I've always had trouble with pop-up ads and spyware when visiting the site. Often the site has caused my browser to crash. I don't know how much control you or any of the other administrators have over this kind of stuff, or if it's just a problem inherent to wikias, but it's certainly something which would be nice to get taken care of, if it hasn't been already.

[SSJGoku93]

Edited my initial post a little bit, mainly just to fix typos.

If there is anything else you would like to see changed, please let me know, I am trying my very best to get the wiki into the ranks of being a respected, and reliable source.

I'm going to try looking around the wiki later, but until then here are some things off the top of my head. If they've already been fixed, I apologize.

First are some claims which I know have been in the wiki at some point:

Toriyama originally was going to have Piccolo fall under Babidi's spell, rather than Vegeta.
Toriyama said that the reason no female Super Saiyans ever appeared in the series is because he had trouble drawing them.
In GT, originally Gohan was going to serve as Baby's main host instead of Vegeta.

These claims are, as far as I know, completely baseless. They should be removed unless some legitimate source can be found for them.

Second, and more minor, last I checked the wiki wrote out years in the DB calendar as "X Age", rather than "Age X". I assume this is due to the fact that originally the wiki used the inaccurate "X A.D." to write DB years. I assume that when they started switching to "Age", the accurate translation, they simply used an automatic search and replace program, even though the word "Age" should precede the year number, rather than come after it like with A.D. or B.C. dates. In Japanese though, "Age" (eiji) comes before the year number, and accordingly that's how it's written in the Viz manga ("Age 788" being the only such date mentioned in the actual series, mentioned when Trunks finds Cell's time machine), and in promotional material for DragonBall Online. This isn't exactly major, but it really bugs me (I mean, doesn't "788 Age" sound kinda off to you?), and anyway it's what you should do to be in accordance with the Viz manga.

This last one is sort of debatable, since you want to be a guide to the English version, but according to the Japanese creators of DBGT (as said in the DBGT Perfect Files, the official guides to the series), the series takes place 5 years after the end of Z, rather than 10, which is what the wiki used that last I checked. As far as I know, the Funi dub of the actual GT series never says the series takes place 10 years after Z. Rather, the "10 years later" statements are limited to secondary material like old ads and whatnot. Personally, I think that if the English version of the actual series never explicitly mentions it being 10 years later, while the Japanese creators of the series say its 5, then you should say it's 5 and not 10 years later. If you do want to stick to 10 years later, you should be sure to mention this discrepancy between the Japanese and English versions (last I checked, your timeline page said it was taken straight from the daizenshuu and Perfect Files books, despite completely ignoring the GT year dates given in the latter), and cite whatever Funi materials say GT is set 10 years after Z.

Also, besides the problems with the wiki's accuracy, I've always had trouble with pop-up ads and spyware when visiting the site. Often the site has caused my browser to crash. I don't know how much control you or any of the other administrators have over this kind of stuff, or if it's just a problem inherent to wikias, but it's certainly something which would be nice to get taken care of, if it hasn't been already.

I have taken care of those three supposed Toriyama facts, thank you for pointing those out as well. I also do agree with changing the whole "Age" thing, it should definitely be before the number. The whole FUNimation "10 years later" thing was also taken care of by myself awhile back, it now stays completely true to the original "5 years" later. As far as the ads, I'm afraid I have no control over this, it is as you said, something that plagues wikia.

Thank you again for your advise and concern, I will try my best to make this work.

[Kid Buu]

Here, I found a thread on this forum about the DB Wiki....

http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... =7&t=11485

Not sure if someone posted that in this thread before, but I hope that helps!

[MisterFlashdude]

Anyone interested in the reception to your ideas can check it out here.

[Blue]

Anyone interested in the reception to your ideas can check it out here.

I wish I was surprised...about ANYTHING said there. I would however love to know what "uninformed" things we have said about the wiki.

[VegettoEX]

Anyone interested in the reception to your ideas can check it out here.

I wish I was surprised...about ANYTHING said there.

What does this even mean? How are you contributing to a discussion with this comment?

[SilverPlaqueVII]

Here's some changes that they need for this Wiki:

* Special Beam Cannon --> Makankosappo
* Destructo Disk --> Kienzan
* Spirit Bomb --> Genki-Dama
* Tuffle --> Tsufuru-jin
* Great Ape --> Oozaru
* Tora --> Toma
* Fasha --> Seripa
* Borgos --> Totepo
* Shugesh --> Panbukin
* Recoome --> Recoom
* Burter --> Burta
* Jeice --> Jheese
* Guldo --> Gurd
* Cui --> Kiwi
* Turles --> Tullece
* World Martial Arts Tournament --> Tenkaichi Budokai
* Other World Martial Arts Tournament --> Anoyo-chi Budokai
* Kai --> Kaio
* Supreme Kai --> Kaio-shin
* Bulla --> Bra

[ShadowDude112]

Anyone interested in the reception to your ideas can check it out here.

I wish I was surprised...about ANYTHING said there.

What does this even mean? How are you contributing to a discussion with this comment?

If that first question is serious, then he's basically saying that he isn't surprised about what they all said.

[SSJSteve]

Why should we care what they think anyways, we all know this is the best resource for anything Dragon Ball.

I don't agree with that sentence. Dragonball Wiki can be helpful, but I don't think it's the best.

[Blue]

Anyone interested in the reception to your ideas can check it out here.

I wish I was surprised...about ANYTHING said there.

What does this even mean? How are you contributing to a discussion with this comment?

I'm saying these seem like very typical responses that I'd suspect from the community and I'm not at all surprised they didn't go for the majority of points stated here.

[VegettoEX]

I'm being slightly facetious. What I gather is that Blue has some eye-rolling going on in regard to the comments they're reading on the Wikia page. My under-handed response infers that if you can't actually post something of substance that helps out, don't even bother posting at all.

I have a lot to say about the subject at hand, but I don't know if anyone actually wants to hear it. I'm disappointed a little bit myself with all of this "us vs. them" stuff that I'm reading in both areas, and it seems like it doesn't serve much of a purpose to have this conversation if so many people are going to head in with that attitude to begin with.

I'll type up some more later. Hopefully if won't just be a redux of everything Herms had to say.

[B]

Anyone interested in the reception to your ideas can check it out here.

Gonna have to agree with Blue; they basically snubbed him and don't understand, or choose to lump together, the terms "English" and "dub," completely ignoring the manga, be it Viz or anyone else's translation, as a valid source of information.

[Blue]

I'm being slightly facetious. What I gather is that Blue has some eye-rolling going on in regard to the comments they're reading on the Wikia page. My under-handed response infers that if you can't actually post something of substance that helps out, don't even bother posting at all.

Oh okay cool, well I hope the question I edited into my first post helps this. It's a question you see where I would like to be informed as to what falsifications we state about the Wiki. I would like to know this because if I am stating any falsifications myself I would like to rectify that problem.

[The Tori-bot]

"As a baby, Gohan was originally intended to be named either Einstein or Archimedes by Chi-Chi. Alternatively, some of Ox King's name suggestions included Ox King Jr., Ox Monkey, Big Ox, Oxford, Ox in the Box, Ox Man and Johnny Oxseed."



Also, when listing voice actors, "Japanese Dub" shouldn't be used, as it's the original version and therefore there was nothing to "dub". It should either be "Japanese Version" or just plain "Japanese". And I would absolutely get rid of the "trivia" like the above example, which is dub nonsense and has no relevance to anything anyway. I also saw something on the Bardock article that was something like "His dying regret was that he never had a chance to hold his infant son in his arms", which is made worse by the fact that any referance to the original line (about avenging the Saiyans and Planet Vegeta) is nowhere to be seen. I get that the dub is being used as the base for the information, but when it's just plain false information either use the original line or leave it out. And hey, the correct line was even used in Kai, so you don't really have any excuse now to not change it.

[Blue]

"As a baby, Gohan was originally intended to be named either Einstein or Archimedes by Chi-Chi. Alternatively, some of Ox King's name suggestions included Ox King Jr., Ox Monkey, Big Ox, Oxford, Ox in the Box, Ox Man and Johnny Oxseed."

That did make me laugh, are you confused as to why that's listed as trivia or if it exists? If it's the latter the Japanese version actually followed that pretty closely only with the names being changed up.

[Gaffer Tape]

Well, I would like to say that when this thread popped up, I was immediately surprised. I admit to being far removed from this issue and look forward to the day when the DaizEX/Kanzentai version gets off the ground. From what I had heard about the users there, it didn't seem like any of their users would ever come here and ask us for advice. And I hesitated from even speaking in this thread at first because I was afraid it just wouldn't end very well. You can do the best you can, but, ultimately, there does feel like a huge gap, a disconnect, an us vs. them mentality. And I admit reading that link to their discussion about the original poster's ideas sort of reaffirmed that for me. Sometimes I just can't get over how adverse a lot of Dragon Ball fans seem to be about "Japanese" (and I use the term loosely because "Tien" is no more "American" than "Tenshinhan") in their Japanese show. And it always blows my mind. But the argument doesn't hold water because, in a perfectly legitimate, official English adaptation of the manga, nearly all of those "too Japanese-y" terms (Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Karin, what have you) are there. So I just don't get it. Forgive me for saying so (and I'm sure I'll earn some ire for saying this), but it seems like a weak justification to apply validity to the version that you happen to like better.

But when all is said and done, I don't necessarily have to get it. As much as all of the above irks me, I am forced to admit that a FUNimation-centric source of information is no less valid an enterprise than a Mighty Morphin Power Rangers wiki is from the perspective of a Zyuranger fan. That still doesn't change the fact that there is A LOT wrong with that site, even from that standpoint, from encyclopedic voice to false information, what have you. There is a lot to legitimately criticize, no matter what side of the fandom you happen to have aligned yourself on. I think listening to what Herms said is the best course of action, even if the manga-centric (which is also a VERY GOOD idea) focus is ignored.

Well, I've said my piece. Hope I didn't offend anybody. It would be nice if this thread helped to "bridge the gap" between the fandoms, so to speak. I doubt it, but it would be nice.

[JulieYBM]

I'm being slightly facetious. What I gather is that Blue has some eye-rolling going on in regard to the comments they're reading on the Wikia page. My under-handed response infers that if you can't actually post something of substance that helps out, don't even bother posting at all.

I have a lot to say about the subject at hand, but I don't know if anyone actually wants to hear it. I'm disappointed a little bit myself with all of this "us vs. them" stuff that I'm reading in both areas, and it seems like it doesn't serve much of a purpose to have this conversation if so many people are going to head in with that attitude to begin with.

I'll type up some more later. Hopefully if won't just be a redux of everything Herms had to say.

Well, there's no greater image-setter for a community than it's mayor. I think you should honest and express yourself however you see fit. That way they won't be able to twist and turn (if they might) the community's image.


Personally, I find it nice somebody on the inside is trying to clean up the Wikia. No matter how you twist and turn it, a Wikia that self-pronounces itself as the end-all-be-all on a subject should actually live up to that. Dragon Ball is a Japanese comic/show that exists as it does. There are so many licensed versions of it...why should the English version, which does not decide the actual content of the show, receive such priority over the actual content of the show. It's proven that language means absolutely nothing when it comes to this sort of thing on the internet. The Wikia might be in English, but it's an English Wikia about a Japanese property.

[B]

, when listing voice actors, "Japanese Dub" shouldn't be used, as it's the original version and therefore there was nothing to "dub".

Wrong, the Japanese voices are dubbed to the animation.

[Gaffer Tape]

"As a baby, Gohan was originally intended to be named either Einstein or Archimedes by Chi-Chi. Alternatively, some of Ox King's name suggestions included Ox King Jr., Ox Monkey, Big Ox, Oxford, Ox in the Box, Ox Man and Johnny Oxseed."

Oh, wow. It's been nearly ten years since I've seen that episode so I had effectively blocked that garbage from my mind. I groaned. I face-palmed. I guess I just can't relate to the crew on the DB Wiki. We're fans of two entirely different things. I'm beginning to wish FUNimation had just renamed the show Goku's Monkey Magic or something. Then at least we could clearly delineate between these two totally different things. Sorry. That probably does sound inflammatory, but I honestly can't read stuff like this about Dragon Ball without hoping people never find out I'm a fan.