Someone knows how to translate something?

[Herms]

Is there anything that talks about the powers of the Brolly in daizenshuu ?

Sort of, but it's mostly stuff you can see from the movies themselves ("He's powerful enough to destroy a planet in one blow" etc). Daizenshuu 6 says that Broli is more powerful in DBZ movie 10 than he is in movie 8.

[Lucas Abner]

Is there anything that talks about the powers of the Brolly in daizenshuu ?

Sort of, but it's mostly stuff you can see from the movies themselves ("He's powerful enough to destroy a planet in one blow" etc). Daizenshuu 6 says that Broli is more powerful in DBZ movie 10 than he is in movie 8.

I read it in its kanzentai... in the movie 10 he faces to SSJ2 Gohan, right?

In movie 10, Broly was killed by a triple kamehameha wave? ...or he was killed by one of two Saiyans?

[Darkprince410]

That situation at the end of movie 10 is left ambiguous. so that it lets the audience make their own judgment as to whether or not Goku was truly there, or whether it was just a disembodied spirit going through the motions of performing the Kamehameha in the same manner that he did with Gohan during the final conflict with Cell. Most people believe it was the latter (and I know a couple versions of the movie actually have the narrator making a comment to that extent), but between the fact that it seems a wish was granted by Shenlong to bring Goku there (the Dragonballs glowing in response to Goten's wish and that they dispersed later once Goku appeared) and that, while a spirit, he was still able to interact on the physical plane in movie 9 against Bojack.

So really, unless the Daizenshuu elaborates on it in some way, whether Goku was there or not is mainly whether you believe he was there or not.

[Lucas Abner]

That situation at the end of movie 10 is left ambiguous. so that it lets the audience make their own judgment as to whether or not Goku was truly there, or whether it was just a disembodied spirit going through the motions of performing the Kamehameha in the same manner that he did with Gohan during the final conflict with Cell. Most people believe it was the latter (and I know a couple versions of the movie actually have the narrator making a comment to that extent), but between the fact that it seems a wish was granted by Shenlong to bring Goku there (the Dragonballs glowing in response to Goten's wish and that they dispersed later once Goku appeared) and that, while a spirit, he was still able to interact on the physical plane in movie 9 against Bojack.

So really, unless the Daizenshuu elaborates on it in some way, whether Goku was there or not is mainly whether you believe he was there or not.

only able daizenshuu is to determine..In a book of oficial''legend''goku, says he goku was participating the kamehameha

[Herms]

The daizenshuu don't really shed any light over DBZ movie 10's ending. Daizenshuu 6 simply asks whether the Goku who appeared before Goku and co. was real, or an illusion.

[Lucas Abner]

The daizenshuu don't really shed any light over DBZ movie 10's ending. Daizenshuu 6 simply asks whether the Goku who appeared before Goku and co. was real, or an illusion.

daizenshuu 7, says that the Dabura fought X SSJ2...And I think that is the same state against Broly...But it is certainly the same state...6° Daizenshuu image appears SSJ and SSJ2 movie 12 ...and also appears the image of the Gohan SSJ and SSJ2 against Broly...In daizenshuu 6 says nothing of the state fpssj of adult gohan...Only speaks only SSj of SSJ2 of Gohan adult...

[Son_Gohan]

Broli-type
Broli appeared in the movies. A-type is distinguished by him not having gold hair while he’s a Super Saiya-jin. B-type is a powered up Super Saiya-jin state. He’s called the legendary Super Saiya-jin, since he loves destruction and slaughter, like the Super Saiya-jin of Saiya-jin legend. Both types are from when he fought with Goku on New Planet Vegeta. C-type is his form from when he battles Gohan and the others on Earth; he later transformed into B-type. It’s a Super Saiya-jin that’s evolved differently.

I wish they would've at least gone into more detail as to why his SSJ appearances differentiate between the two movies, instead of just simply labeling them.

I've always thought the bluish and greenish tints from the first movie were due to some kind of residual from the suppression device. It would be nice to hear some official word on the matter.

[Ashy-kun]

Ah, thank-you, sir. I wasn't too far off, with what I had, but it's always good to see how someone a lot better than yourself would do it.

Whoops, I just scanned through the thread and didn't even see that you had done a translation.

I should say that I did that translation back when we were still using "Saiya-jin" instead of "Saiyan" over at Kanzentai, and I was too lazy to change it.

Not a problem. As I said, I'm still nought but the amateur, so it's probably for the best if you set the record straight with your own translation.

[Senzu_Bean]

USSJ>LSSJ?

Not necessarily. The page doesn't explicitly say anything about the position of different forms on the page corresponding to strength.

But it says Super Saiyan 3 is stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

And Akira Toriyama's design of Broly also says he is stronger in his second coming.

Broli-type
Broli appeared in the movies. A-type is distinguished by him not having gold hair while he’s a Super Saiya-jin. B-type is a powered up Super Saiya-jin state. He’s called the legendary Super Saiya-jin, since he loves destruction and slaughter, like the Super Saiya-jin of Saiya-jin legend. Both types are from when he fought with Goku on New Planet Vegeta. C-type is his form from when he battles Gohan and the others on Earth; he later transformed into B-type. It’s a Super Saiya-jin that’s evolved differently.

I wish they would've at least gone into more detail as to why his SSJ appearances differentiate between the two movies, instead of just simply labeling them.

Broly's hair should only be lighter black, cause of the yellow/golden aura. But the whole movie is strangely colored, Goku sometimes also have dark purple hair.

[jackjack]

But it says Super Saiyan 3 is stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

Not quite following.

[Senzu_Bean]

But it says Super Saiyan 3 is stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

Not quite following.

I was just saying the page relates Super Saiyan's stages power since it says Super Saiyan 3 is the most powerful stage and Ultimate Gohan only has power that surpasses Super Saiyan 2, which isn't exactly true.

[jackjack]

SSJ3 was in fact the most powerful Super Saiyan stage.

And I got the impression that "his power surpasses even Super Saiya-jin 2" is referring to Gohan's own SSJ2. It wouldn't say SSJ3 since Gohan obviously didn't have it.

[Godo]

I think it's an error. Gohan's Ultimate form isn't a SSJ transformation. The ritual can be made on any fighter, so I doubt that they too are labeled as SSJs when they get that form.
That page is not very accurate IMHO.
The forms should go like this (pure power wise):

SSJ - USSJ - USSJ2 - FPSSJ - SSJ2 - SSJ3

LSSJ can't be placed here, since Broly's power increases steadily. But we see in movie 8 that Broly is stronger than Semi-Perfect Cell (since he kicked the ground with USSJ Trunks, USSJ Vegeta, SSJ Gohan, Kamiccolo and SSJ Goku), and in movie 10 he is weaker than Perfect Cell as a SSJ (since he was pretty even with Gohan, even inferior at some point) to a bit stronger than Perfect Cell as a LSSJ (since he dominated the fight).

Oh, and the Ultimate form is the strongest, since it could take on Super Buu, and Goku as a SSJ3 couldn't.

[jackjack]

USSJ2=FPSSJ in terms of power, IMO. And Gohan's SSJ2 in movie 10.

[Questrider]

So, Mystic Gohan really IS less powerful than SSJ3?
It would appear that way (right?) based on the translation, especially since Gohan was told to "go to Super Saiyan" in order to access that power. I believe the Elder Kai told Gohan to "fire it up" to which Gohan mumbled: "All I have to do is turn Super Saiyan".

I will buy that he (Gohan) is weaker than Goku's SSJ3 form but not Gotenks.
I always kinda put Mystic Gohan between the two.

[Lucas Abner]

In daizenshuu TV animation says... Broly super saiyan that evolves Differently, how so?

[Senzu_Bean]

So, Mystic Gohan really IS less powerful than SSJ3?
It would appear that way (right?) based on the translation, especially since Gohan was told to "go to Super Saiyan" in order to access that power. I believe the Elder Kai told Gohan to "fire it up" to which Gohan mumbled: "All I have to do is turn Super Saiyan".

No! Even though the diagram might give the impression Super Saiyan 3 is stronger than Gohan after Elder Kaioshin power-up that isn't the case. Both Gotenks and Gohan are n times stronger than Goku.

Herms, can you translate what is said in the diagram? In the green, orange, etc. areas.

[Lucas Abner]

Na animação TV daizenshuu diz ... Broly super saiyan que evolui de modo diferente, como assim?

[Ashy-kun]

So, Mystic Gohan really IS less powerful than SSJ3?
It would appear that way (right?) based on the translation, especially since Gohan was told to "go to Super Saiyan" in order to access that power. I believe the Elder Kai told Gohan to "fire it up" to which Gohan mumbled: "All I have to do is turn Super Saiyan".

No! Even though the diagram might give the impression Super Saiyan 3 is stronger than Gohan after Elder Kaioshin power-up that isn't the case. Both Gotenks and Gohan are n times stronger than Goku.

Herms, can you translate what is said in the diagram? In the green, orange, etc. areas.

If you mean the line going downwards, it's just the sagas/arcs. Freeza, Cell, Majin Boo. With branching off parts saying what form it is. It's not a diagram. It's just a timeline, saying when the forms appear. It's not like it's ranked.

[Lucas Abner]

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