Manga

[Herms]

I've seen some color manga in French, but they seem to be just screencaps from the Anime integrated in a book than actual colored pages (for example, they have Yajirobe talking to the cops about the Saiyan space pods, and that's only in the Anime not in the manga).

Yeah, that's the animanga. It's not the same as the kanzenban. Kanzenban have read covers with new Toriyama artwork.

The impression I have is that some of the pages were drawn in black and white with screentones and about a dozen pages per volume were colored (but still scanned and printed in black and white)

That's true, only a few chapters were drawn in color. These color pages were printed in greyscale for the original tankoubon release, but are in color in the kanzenban.

[Kendamu]

You could always buy the Japanese comics locally. I go to Kinokuniya in the Seattle Uwajimaya.

I live in Nowhere, Indiana. "Them there mango comics," are easy to find in English in a Barnes & Noble or whatever, but you're never going to find, "Them there Chinese animu comics with the moonspeak," in any store around here.

Next year after I move I might get a bit more lucky.

[Rocketman]

Maybe its liked to the whole culture built around ratings for films, like studios that censor their own artists to avoid a particular age rating to be able to market their product to more people or something like that.

That's pretty much it, I believe. Manga that nobody cares about (ie, 99.9% of it) gets released wholesale. Dragonball, which they know will be a big seller and that kids will want, get the edits so they don't get the angry letters when Momma spots Bulma's hooters or Satan being the world's true hero.

[Adamant]

I think acceptance of violence but not sexuality is pretty universal to varying degrees

Far from it. But Dragonball isn't really overly violent, so it's mostly the people who freak if their kids see a tit that demand it be censored.

[Goku100xKamehameha]

with new Toriyama artwork.

I wouldn't say they're new because they were done 7-6 years ago.

[Herms]

with new Toriyama artwork.

I wouldn't say they're new because they were done 7-6 years ago.

"New" in the sense that they weren't part of the first collected release of the manga.

[Bussani]

I think acceptance of violence but not sexuality is pretty universal to varying degrees, maybe its just stronger in the US. Anyway the companies that publish the mangas in French (like Manga Kana, Ki-oon, Kurogawa, Glenat, etc.) never seem to have a need to censor anything, and I don't remember anyone complaining about anything or taking it seriously

Yeah, but have you seen some of the comics that France has? Le Petit Spirou, for example. I doubt that kind of thing would ever get released in the US, and if that kind of thing is fine over in France then I can't think of many Japanese manga that wouldn't be. It really shows how differently people from different cultures react to things.

[frozie]

I haven't read the kid Spirou comics for a long time, but I don't remember there being much nudity in there, though there definitely was some very obvious sexual undertones... it was pretty hilarious though Definitely much better than the adult Spirou comics IMO

[B]

You could always buy the Japanese comics locally. I go to Kinokuniya in the Seattle Uwajimaya.

I live in Nowhere, Indiana. "Them there mango comics," are easy to find in English in a Barnes & Noble or whatever, but you're never going to find, "Them there Chinese animu comics with the moonspeak," in any store around here.

Next year after I move I might get a bit more lucky.

Actually, after playing around with the Kinokuniya site via Google Translate, you can order stuff online.

DB Volume 1
DB Volume 17
DB Volume 42

Not sure how shipping goes yet, but if you're in the U.S., I can't imagine it being outrageous.

[linkdude20002001]

Hmm... $7.00 seems a bit expensive. I'll have to check the store next time I'm there, but I thought it was only $5.00 or something.

[Cold Skin]

I have all volumes both in French and Japanese, and even the Japanese manga that I have doesn't have colored pages
I think maybe it was only a special edition or something. The one I have is Jump Comics (blue Jc logo)

Yeah, there's a kanzenban (perfect edition) of the manga released in Japan, which has all the color pages in color. The kanzenban are being released in French too, from what I hear.

I've seen some color manga in French, but they seem to be just screencaps from the Anime integrated in a book than actual colored pages (for example, they have Yajirobe talking to the cops about the Saiyan space pods, and that's only in the Anime not in the manga). The impression I have is that some of the pages were drawn in black and white with screentones and about a dozen pages per volume were colored (but still scanned and printed in black and white)

You're impression's right, only a few bunches of pages were colored and they were only available in the final, Kanzenban release. The Kanzentai sites mentions all of the pages that had colors if I'm not mistaken.

Many versions of the manga in French, and all of the Japanese ones are treated or being treated right now. The main ones to consider are:

- The tankobon, with no colors as you said, with a totally new, faithful translation. They're essentially a copy/paste of the Japanese tankobons, except obviously with text changed into French. ALL AVAILABLE (IN PACKS OF TWO VOLUMES).

- The Kanzenban, as Herms said, are currently being released in France under the name "Perfect Edition". Again, it's a copy/paste of the Japanese version (Shieisha and Viz actually don't allow any change other than the text according to the French publisher), which means bigger size, all color pages that were done, chapters list, title pages... Also, the translation (by the same translator) is taken from the Tankobon, but with slight updates and final touch to some specific lines or names, and much more translation notes. CURRENTLY AT VOLUME 8.

- The Anime Comics or Animanga is what you saw, with scans taken from the anime to reconstitute the manga in an alternative version with different graphics and some selected fillers kept in. Also, it only covers the "Z/Kai" era, therefore starting with the Saiyan invasion. The translation is based on the Tankobon one and is done by the same translator, which is nice to have a proper translation of some fillers (everyone knows that the French translation of the anime was awful). However, almost no update / final touch is applied to that translation, as this process is kept for the Kanzenban (Perfect Edition). However, some rare exceptions likely announce upcoming changes we'll see in the Kanzenban (such as "Baddack" retranslated as "Burdock", and a new explanation for his name). CURRENTLY AT SEASON 3, VOLUME 3.

[Adamant]

I haven't read the kid Spirou comics for a long time, but I don't remember there being much nudity in there

There's not "much", but there's certainly far more than Dragonball. As you said, there's also far more in the way of sexual undertones, and they're generally far "raunchier" than Dragonball, which rarely moved beyond "someone sees a tit/panties".

But yeah, it's a great comic.

[Bussani]

I haven't read the kid Spirou comics for a long time, but I don't remember there being much nudity in there, though there definitely was some very obvious sexual undertones... it was pretty hilarious though Definitely much better than the adult Spirou comics IMO

There's not "much", but there's certainly far more than Dragonball. As you said, there's also far more in the way of sexual undertones, and they're generally far "raunchier" than Dragonball, which rarely moved beyond "someone sees a tit/panties".

But yeah, it's a great comic.

Consider how squeamish America can be about something like naked Kid Goku ("Child porn!" "Why are you bothered by them cutting it out? Are you a pedophile?") and then look back at some of the Baby Spirou + Baby Suzette moments, and you'll see what I was getting at. Ironically, I don't feel comfortable posting an example here, or even uploading it to photobucket for fear of violating some overly-sensitive TOS.

But yeah, it is a hilarious comic.

[Herms]

You're impression's right, only a few bunches of pages were colored and they were only available in the final, Kanzenban release. The Kanzentai sites mentions all of the pages that had colors if I'm not mistaken.

We do indeed.

[Adamant]

Ironically, I don't feel comfortable posting an example here, or even uploading it to photobucket for fear of violating some overly-sensitive TOS.

I do.
Warning, child porn:


(yeah, there's worse stuff than this in there, too, but most of my Lil' Spirou books are packed down)

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Babies comparing and touching each other's private parts? Seriously? I don't find that funny or tasteful in the least bit. At least with Dragon Ball it's not as direct and in your face.

[hleV]

Yes, in Dragon Ball there's kid removing teenager's underpants and touching her p***y, no baby stuff.

[Goku100xKamehameha]

Yes, in Dragon Ball there's kid removing teenager's underpants and touching her p***y, no baby stuff.

And I have a video to prove it!

[hleV]

Yes, in Dragon Ball there's kid removing teenager's underpants and touching her p***y, no baby stuff.

And I have a video to prove it!

I like manga version better. However the Dragon Ball - The Path to Power (or something like that) represents this scene well, too.

[rereboy]

Babies comparing and touching each other's private parts? Seriously? I don't find that funny or tasteful in the least bit. At least with Dragon Ball it's not as direct and in your face.

. They are both babies. Its completely innocent and its actually funny. At least in that page it is. Dragon Ball is MUCH worse because it has full blown sexual intent.