Dragon Ball Z VizBig Volume 8

[MagicBox]

My Books-a-Million had this early yesterday, so I snatched it up along with volume 35 of Detective Conan. There's... not really much to say about this volume. Volumes 38-40 (excuse me, *ahem*, 22-24...) are combined this time, leaving the final VizBig with only two volumes. I was expecting some sort of artwork changes or dialogue revisions, but I guess I was expecting too much, since everything is just like the previous graphic novel releases.

- Majin Boo is still called a "Djinn" (which, while not entirely inaccurate, is still a pointless change).
- The guns that the random criminals use to shoot the old couple, Boo's dog, and Mr. Satan are still altered to look like laser blasters.
- Goku's offer to Old Kaioshin about Bulma is still changed from "feeling her up" to "meeting her."

That's all I can think of regarding edits. The next VizBig will likely contain a few middle finger edits, in addition to the annoying "Vegerot" name, but not much else.

Anyway, aside from that, we have to mention color pages. This volume contains two chapters that were originally colorized, and Viz thankfully prints them in color for this volume as well, title pages and all. The next VizBig will contain a whopping three color chapters, so I'm pretty scared Viz is going to be sneaky and leave one of them in grayscale. Viz doesn't seem to like printing more than two color chapters per volume, even though they promised us the color pages from the start. Hmm.

And... discuss!

[gotensottile]

They censored guns...? Aw.
Well, I guess we can pray about the Vegerot thing.
I still do coniser these the obvious best manga release yet. Who cares about censoreship?
I do.

[Big Momma]

So the last one will only have two? Hmmm...I wonder if there will be any extra bonus content thrown in to compensate.


It's a long shot, but here's hoping for the Kanzenban ending.

[Herms]

So the last one will only have two? Hmmm...I wonder if there will be any extra bonus content thrown in to compensate.

Keep in mind that the last two tankoubon volumes are extra long to begin with, with 17 chapters instead of the regular 12 (although each chapter is now 13 pages long instead of the usual 15).

Majin Boo is still called a "Djinn" (which, while not entirely inaccurate, is still a pointless change).

It's not inaccurate at all. Pointless, maybe.

[Greenman]

Nice I'm gonna check my local Barnes and Noble, they had the last two before street date.

It's a long shot, but here's hoping for the Kanzenban ending.

I know I'm setting myself up for disappointment, but I'm really hoping for it. But if it isn't included don't worry. Viz will announce the kanzenban editions right after VIZBIG 9 is released.

[Master Sword]

I like that cover. I've always been fond of that Goku shot.

[MagicBox]

Majin Boo is still called a "Djinn" (which, while not entirely inaccurate, is still a pointless change).

It's not inaccurate at all. Pointless, maybe.

That's what I said. ^_^;

Regarding the Kanzenban ending being included, the Rurouni Kenshin VizBigs included some bonus material that was previously only available in the Japanese releases of that series, so I wouldn't be surprised if Viz did the same thing here. Of course, Viz actually announced the new bonus material in their press releases for the final Kenshin VizBig, while the details for the final DBZ volume don't mention any bonus features whatsoever.

And like Greenman, I'm pretty sure Viz'll announce the Kanzenban soon after the VizBigs end. Why else would they hold off on almost half the color pages?

[Goku100xKamehameha]

My Books-a-Million had this early yesterday, so I snatched it up along with volume 35 of Detective Conan. There's... not really much to say about this volume. Volumes 38-40 (excuse me, *ahem*, 22-24...) are combined this time, leaving the final VizBig with only two volumes. I was expecting some sort of artwork changes or dialogue revisions, but I guess I was expecting too much, since everything is just like the previous graphic novel releases.

- Majin Boo is still called a "Djinn" (which, while not entirely inaccurate, is still a pointless change).
- The guns that the random criminals use to shoot the old couple, Boo's dog, and Mr. Satan are still altered to look like laser blasters.
- Goku's offer to Old Kaioshin about Bulma is still changed from "feeling her up" to "meeting her."

That's all I can think of regarding edits. The next VizBig will likely contain a few middle finger edits, in addition to the annoying "Vegerot" name, but not much else.

Anyway, aside from that, we have to mention color pages. This volume contains two chapters that were originally colorized, and Viz thankfully prints them in color for this volume as well, title pages and all. The next VizBig will contain a whopping three color chapters, so I'm pretty scared Viz is going to be sneaky and leave one of them in grayscale. Viz doesn't seem to like printing more than two color chapters per volume, even though they promised us the color pages from the start. Hmm.

And... discuss!

What! I don't know the Viz translation is this inaccurate! if they want to release the Kanzenban, they better correct their translations!

[rereboy]

Anyway, aside from that, we have to mention color pages. This volume contains two chapters that were originally colorized, and Viz thankfully prints them in color for this volume as well, title pages and all. The next VizBig will contain a whopping three color chapters, so I'm pretty scared Viz is going to be sneaky and leave one of them in grayscale. Viz doesn't seem to like printing more than two color chapters per volume, even though they promised us the color pages from the start. Hmm.

And... discuss!

I`m hoping that they won`t remove any color pages from the final Volume because it only contains 2 original volumes for the same price as the others. Therefore they can very well afford it (if the removal of the color pages is a costs thing).

What! I don't know the Viz translation is this inaccurate! if they want to release the Kanzenban, they better correct their translations!

The only thing inaccurate about it is the change from feeling her up to meeting her.

Djinn is a perfectly acceptable translation for genie, majin, and the like.

As for Vegerot, it comes from joining Kakarot with Vegeta. Vegetto only was the original name because it came from joining Kakarotto with Vegeta. Therefore, the only thing "wrong" is translating Kakarotto into Kakarot (which isn`t very wrong because the pun comes from carrot).
Most people only dislike Vegerot because it sounds weird, but there isn`t anything wrong with it.

I know I'm setting myself up for disappointment, but I'm really hoping for it. But if it isn't included don't worry. Viz will announce the kanzenban editions right after VIZBIG 9 is released.

I doubt there will be any extras. If there were they would have announced it like they did with Kenshin, as shown in these links:

http://viz.com/products/products.php?product_id=7431
http://viz.com/products/products.php?product_id=7422

And like Greenman, I'm pretty sure Viz'll announce the Kanzenban soon after the VizBigs end. Why else would they hold off on almost half the color pages?

Actually, I already did the math, and assuming they keep the last three chapters in color, the Vizbigs will keep more than 70% of all color pages. So they only hold off on about a quarter of the color pages.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Most people only dislike Vegerot because it sounds weird, but there isn`t anything wrong with it.

There is. Viz has changed the original name, therefore making it incorrect. I understand that "Vegerot" is a combination of "Vegeta" and "Kakarot", but the fact still remains that it isn't a correct romanization or anglicization of ベジット (Bejitto).

[Big Momma]

Most people only dislike Vegerot because it sounds weird, but there isn`t anything wrong with it.

There is. Viz has changed the original name, therefore making it incorrect. I understand that "Vegerot" is a combination of "Vegeta" and "Kakarot", but the fact still remains that it isn't a correct romanization or anglicization of ベジット (Bejitto).

It's the same equivalent, though.

Bejita + Kakarotto = Bejitto

Vegeta + Kakarot = Vegerot

[rereboy]

Most people only dislike Vegerot because it sounds weird, but there isn`t anything wrong with it.

There is. Viz has changed the original name, therefore making it incorrect. I understand that "Vegerot" is a combination of "Vegeta" and "Kakarot", but the fact still remains that it isn't a correct romanization or anglicization of ベジット (Bejitto).

But Kakarotto is a pun on the english word "carrot".

It doesn`t end with "ot" because that would be awkward in Japanese. So it ends with "otto".

But in english, the "otto" is the one which sounds unusual. So, and keeping in mind that the pun is the english word "carrot", they translated it to Kakarot.

Honestly, I can`t bring myself to consider that wrong, and only by looking at it from the point of view of a conservative translation (one that keeps the honorifics and such from the japanese language) would be possible to consider it "wrong".

Vegerot simply follows the name logic of the fusions. Calling him Vegetto wouldn`t be coherent.

[Herms]

It doesn`t end with "ot" because that would be awkward in Japanese. So it ends with "otto".

It's not like they had to double the 't', strictly speaking. They could have gone with simply "oto"

But in english, the "otto" is the one which sounds unusual.

That's debatable. There's quite a few words in English with "otto" in them: lotto, motto, grotto, etc.

Honestly, I can`t bring myself to consider that wrong, and only by looking at it from the point of view of a conservative translation (one that keeps the honorifics and such from the japanese language) would be possible to consider it "wrong".

"Vegerot" is a name change though. No, it's not a drastic or random name change, but it's simply not the same name as "Vegetto". It's based on the same principles, sure, but it's not the same name, just as "Trunkten" isn't the same name as "Gotenks".

Vegerot simply follows the name logic of the fusions. Calling him Vegetto wouldn`t be coherent.

Yeah, it's incoherent since they used "Kakarot", but there's no reason they couldn't have used "Kakarotto" instead. Sure, it makes the name pun a bit harder to spot, but then so does spelling it with Ks rather than Cs.

[rereboy]

Granted.

I`m simply saying that its not "wrong". Its more of a perfectible acceptable liberty in the translation.

Like I said, only from a point a view of a conservatory translation (one that keeps the honorifics and such and is very literal) could we regard it as incorrect.

[Mountain]

Yeah, it's incoherent since they used "Kakarot", but there's no reason they couldn't have used "Kakarotto" instead. Sure, it makes the name pun a bit harder to spot, but then so does spelling it with Ks rather than Cs.

I've always preferred Kakarotto. I mostly watch the Japanese version of the anime and, to me, that's Goku's Saiya-jin name. Both "Kakarot" and "Vegerot" sound strange to me.

[hleV]

Vegerot is completely fine. Vegetto isn't a word that has real meaning (like Vegeta is from vegetable, etc.), but it's just a combination of two names - starting with part of Vegeta's name and ending with part of Kakarot's name, same as Vegeta with Kakarotto.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

"Vegerot" is a name change though. No, it's not a drastic or random name change, but it's simply not the same name as "Vegetto". It's based on the same principles, sure, but it's not the same name, just as "Trunkten" isn't the same name as "Gotenks".

Exactly. It's a name change, therefore making it incorrect. I really don't see a reason why Viz couldn't have used "Kakarot" and "Vegetto". FUNi did (except with a different spelling).

[Gaffer Tape]

Granted.

I`m simply saying that its not "wrong". Its more of a perfectible acceptable liberty in the translation.

Like I said, only from a point a view of a conservatory translation (one that keeps the honorifics and such and is very literal) could we regard it as incorrect.

No. It is very much wrong. It's his name. You're basically arguing that you could take my name, replace a syllable, and call it "an acceptable liberty." No. It's no longer my name. It might be a perfectly good name, but it's not mine.

You might even be able to argue that Vegit would be an acceptable liberty of transliteration between languages or of keeping the consistency of chopped off o of Kakarrotto, but replacing the last syllable isn't even close.

[rereboy]

Vegetto is only his name because the ones who fused are named Kakarotto and Vegeta.

That is the only reason. Like hleV said there is no other reason or meaning behind that name.

And that reason is respected in Viz.

If you want something to blame, blame Kakarot instead of kakarotto, even though I can`t bring myself to consider that wrong for the reasons I stated.

[Rory]

I have to stand on the "It'd make no fucking sense to the English readers if he were called Vegetto" side of the arguement.
I don't particularly like Vegerot, but taken in the context of the Viz's English manga, where Goky's Saiyan name has been altered it does make more sense than Vegetto. And that's what you have to do, take it in the correct context. It's a name change, yes, but a necessary one to readers who have been following this version of the manga. FUNimation did keep the name, but not only did it not make sense within the context (Kakarrot, not Kakarrotto), but they started to spelt it Vegito, when makes even LESS sense.
Long story short? If it's in a manga where the character is named Kakarrot, then Vegerot simply makes more sense, name change or not. There is no correct name, because it's an English adaptation with (sometimes inappropriate) name changes, so right and wrong have already been skewed.