"DragonBall Z Kai" TV Broadcast Talkback

[Cowboy Dev]

My favorite parts of the original dub were the constant yelling Goku was doing while Ginyu had him in an arm lock along with Goku saying "strong power!", and when Vegeta ran off and Goku said "AAAAAAAAhhhh-Naaaaaaaoooooouuuuuu!!!!!" I kept laughing during this Kai episode joking about how the dub is now "too good" because unfortunately I can't get the old dub out of my head! Hopefully repeated Kai dub viewings will remedy this.

I can't wait until the next episode where in the old dub they changed Goku worrying about what Chi-Chi would think if he came back looking like Ginyu, into a generic "I'm not finished by a long shot" dialogue, ending the scene with a ridiculous "IIIIt's NOT OVEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR!!!". That was hilarious, especially the "The pain's too strong and I don't think I can go ooooon!!!!" and the "No, I... WILL NOT... Be. Defeated this way!" as opposed to the Japanese version's "Wait, Krillin and Gohan are unaware that it's not me!" or something along those lines.

The Japanese music makes that scene especially hilarious in both languages because it's this dark, downbeat track, which makes Goku's worrying about Chi-Chi killing him for looking like Ginyu hilarious, along with the old dub's horribly overdone, hammed up dialogue and delivery.

Watching tonight's episode.
I see Schemmel is back to his Superman voice.

Huh? I seriously do not understand this "criticism". Every time he isn't super high pitched happy Goku, people will criticize him as sounding like "Superman", which he definitely does not. That is seriously "Big Green" dub Goku, and at random times due to the script FUNimation's Z dub (along with Hebert's Saiyaman, which is intentional). He actually reminds me heavily of a male Nozawa in Kai's dub, especially his fighting noises and ki releasing sounds, which are definitely Nozawa in tone.

What is people's problem with Schemmel deepening his voice a bit during his more somber and serious moments? Nozawa did the exact same thing quite often, even at times getting deeper than Schemmel has as of late (especially in the Japanese version of Kai). He's not even getting "Sword of Justice" dialogue in Kai this time, which was really the only time he ever sounded "like Superman".

Schemmel was typically deeper in this episode because he has a lot of serious moments in this episode. During the lighthearted moments (Ginyu ultra fighting pose!!!), he sounded as childish and lighthearted as ever, and during the serious moments, he appropriately deepened it and cut back on the happy-go-lucky as Nozawa does. Just as he has done throughout the rest of Kai.

He delivers it way too serious 98% percent of the time. There's a reason penguintruth keeps saying this isn't Goku.

[MR.Mark]

He delivers it way too serious 98% percent of the time.

Nozawa in some cases delivers lines MORE serious than Sean ever does, people are confusing vocal pitch with acting methinks.

[penguintruth]

Don't drag me into this. I was too busy focusing on how terrible Jeice sounded. It was so amateur.

[Metalwario64]

Don't drag me into this. I was too busy focusing on how terrible Jeice was.

Very well.

He delivers it way too serious 98% percent of the time.

How is he "too serious 98% of the time"? I don't hear it. A great deal of the time he's high pitched "hehehee!!! I'm Goku!" in Kai's dub. In fact, I think Kai's dub goes even slightly overboard with that. Even Nozawa was a lot more serious in these episodes for the most part, because that's just how it is in the show.

Nozawa in some cases delivers lines MORE serious than Sean ever does, people are confusing vocal pitch with acting methinks.

Yes this. Even then, there are times where Nozawa actually sounded just as deep as Schemmel in the Japanese version of Kai.

[Cowboy Dev]

Don't drag me into this. I was too busy focusing on how terrible Jeice was.

Okay sorry about that.

Anyway...

Those troops sounded pretty good. I loved their delivery of "YES SIR!" Best recast since Appule.

[Super Sonic]

Don't drag me into this. I was too busy focusing on how terrible Jeice sounded. It was so amateur.

Like his Syaoron more I take it?

Watching tonight's episode.
I see Schemmel is back to his Superman voice.

While I missed the ep due to getting home right as it went off, (airs at 5pm over here), never thought of Mr. Schemmel as doing a Superman voice. Also could you be more specific as to which Superman he sounds like? Does he sound like Daly, Newburn, Reeve?

[Metalwario64]

Best recast since Appule.

Appule wasn't recast.

[MR.Mark]

I was too busy focusing on how terrible Jeice sounded. It was so amateur.

Maybe Jheese will sound better to you during episode 33: operation meat shield

There are times where Nozawa actually sounded just as deep as Schemmel in the Japanese version of Kai.

Stop, your logic makes to much sense!

[Cowboy Dev]

Best recast since Appule.

Appule wasn't recast.

I was refereeing to the Ocean dub.

[Metalwario64]

I was refereeing to the Ocean dub.

Ah, I see.

[Cowboy Dev]

I guess I'll rewatch the first half of the episode later tonight. Why the first half? That's where I hear season 3 Superman Goku slipping back in. Schemmel has been doing better lately, but as soon as the episode began (especially after Reccome's demise) I notice a certain someone slipping back into a certain performance I'm very much aware of.

[Super Sonic]

I repeat my earlier question about Superman Goku.

[jjgp1112]

I guess I'll rewatch the first half of the episode later tonight. Why the first half? That's where I hear season 3 Superman Goku slipping back in. Schemmel has been doing better lately, but as soon as the episode began (especially after Reccome's demise) I notice a certain someone slipping back into a certain performance I'm very much aware of.

I think you're just confusing Superman with serious. Do you expect Goku to constantly talk in his "SUPER HAPPY FUN TIME" voice or something?

And to go further into what Super Sonic was saying...what does "Superman Voice" even mean? NONE of the English Goku voices except the Big Green voice sound even close to attempting to sound like Superman. Even Peter Kelamis, and I have every reason to think of whatever unfair criticism I possibly can of him.

[Gaffer Tape]

While I've never actually come to a conclusion whether I agree with the "Superman Voice" argument, it seems pretty clear what they're insinuating. No one is saying that Sean Schemmel is attempting to imitate any particular Superman actor or voice actor. Or even Superman himself. What they're really arguing is whether or not Goku sounds like, acts like, and is written like how a stereotypical superhero would. Being given lines about saving the world for truth and justice, carrying himself in a holier than thou savior manner, etc. Superman is the defining example of this kind of superhero, so... "Superman Voice." There you go.

[Big Momma]

I wouldn't call it a "Superman" voice(EDIT: More of a "SuperHERO" voice, like Gaffer Tape said), but I can definitely hear what they're hearing. But...I can't really imagine any other way he would have done those serious scenes. He doesn't really sound anymore serious than Nozawa did there. I think it may have been more with the actual words he was saying, not how he was saying them.

[Cowboy Dev]

While I've never actually come to a conclusion whether I agree with the "Superman Voice" argument, it seems pretty clear what they're insinuating. No one is saying that Sean Schemmel is attempting to imitate any particular Superman actor or voice actor. Or even Superman himself. What they're really arguing is whether or not Goku sounds like, acts like, and is written like how a stereotypical superhero would. Being given lines about saving the world for truth and justice, carrying himself in a holier than thou savior manner, etc. Superman is the defining example of this kind of superhero, so... "Superman Voice." There you go.

This.
But to further restate things, yes when I say 'Superman' I mean the stereotypical superhero voice and delivery that Superman gets the title of. What mainly irked me was how he delivered the dialouge from Recoome's death up to Vegeta's ditching of Goku. Schemmel felt very generic and dry to me like season 3 was rearing it's ugly head again.

[Metalwario64]

like season 3 was rearing it's ugly head again.

No... no no no no no no no... Have you even watched season three?

Get yer ears cleaned out sir!

Episode 33 clips are up:
Clip 1
Clip 2
Schemmel's Nail is great!!

[jjgp1112]

like season 3 was rearing it's ugly head again.

No... no no no no no no no... Have you even watched season three?

Get yer ears cleaned out sir!

Episode 33 clips are up:
Clip 1
Clip 2
Schemmel's Nail is great!!

Why is F­rieza so goddamn inconsistent? When he's angry or annoyed, he sounds grating, yet when he's just talking, he's good. I shudder to think of how he'll sound like once Goku starts kicking his ass.

[Metalwario64]

Why is F­rieza so goddamn inconsistent? When he's angry or annoyed, he sounds grating, yet when he's just talking, he's good

Nakao does the same thing, except better. When Nakao gets angry, he ups the rasp and starts almost shrieking, and it seems Ayres attempts to do that, but ends up sounded a bit weak and winded. I'd say he's about on par with Kai Nakao.

[Mewzard]

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/voi ... /Superman/

Which Superman is Sean channeling again? You've got to be specific

I didn't hear any superhero in him, but maybe that's because I watched Batman: TAS, Superman: TAS, JL, JLU, Batman Beyond, Superfriends, Superman (1940s), Batman (60s Series), X-Men (older and Evolution), Spider-man (TAS, And His Amazing Friends, and Spectacular), The Batman, Batman: The Brave and the Bold, etc. And that's not including any movies I've seen or comics I've read (which only really work voice in the mind)

But, before I go any further off topic and get smitten by Mike's Mjolnir (that argument is just a big pet peeve of mine as a comic geek):

Sean is getting the right balance of light and playful (as when he question Ginyu's pose and tries it himself), and more serious (important fighting, anger). Ginyu, I'm starting to like more than I did prior, though I still loved Brice Armstrong's work as Ginyu. Jheese is a bit more tough to grow to at times. Somewhat inconsistent, but I do see potential.

The Nail and Freeza fight should be interesting, to see how each actor takes said character's first real fight. Too bad for Nail, it's short lived. Whatever good or bad we see from that fight's delivery will not be put to much use after that, sadly. Freeza, though, has plenty of time left to continue to show what this new voice is capable of.

Also, I still wait for the next insert songs in my own childish glee.