Gohan's scream in 9 different languages

[Kaboom]

Yes, the FUNimation version is horrible for a variety of reasons, we all know it. Here's hoping that the Z Kai rendition makes up for it at least partially.

A lot of these sounded like the voice actor or actress was incapable of cutting loose and actually screaming. I liked the Portugese version the best out of all the "obscure" ones, not just because the scream was convincing, but especially because of the emphasis on the Oozaru roar.

[jjgp1112]

Yeah I don't get why they even bothered in that case. It's not even like the monologue adds to anything. I think it was just FUNi's obsession at the time with making sure something was happening at every possible second. Silent reflection was apparently a no-no for them.

I'll be honest, the unnecessary dialogue additions bother me a hell of a lot more than the severe dialogue changes. I think this is far worse than the Vegeta death speech, for instance. At least the death speech, while delivering a different message, kept the actual scene together. The monologue, on the other hand...

And it still bothers me that it implies Gohan was only reacting to 16's death. What made the moment so resounding was the fact that Cell just broke the camel's back. Gohan was releasing everything that built up over the years. His friends being in danger for the 100th time, Freeza and his men killing a lot of innocent people, Nappa killing Piccolo, Raditz beating the shit out of him, etc.

The whole point of the monologue was that he let him die, and that he shouldn't just sit there and watch Cell kill everyone. Hell, those were the last lines!

"I let you die. I can't do that! I won't watch this anymore!"

[Blue]

We absolutely didn't need that at all though. That fact became pretty evident. That's nothing new for Funi though. I find it dumb but it's not like this is the first time they added completely unneeded dialogue to a scene.

[jjgp1112]

We absolutely didn't need that at all though. That fact became pretty evident. That's nothing new for Funi though. I find it dumb but it's not like this is the first time they added completely unneeded dialogue to a scene.

I'm not arguing whether it should or shouldn't be there, I'm just pointing out the fact that it didn't change why he was getting angry.

[Blue]

My bad, I kind of jumbled like 3 posts in this thread together mentally.

[Kaboom]

The whole point of the monologue was that he let him die, and that he shouldn't just sit there and watch Cell kill everyone. Hell, those were the last lines!
"I let you die. I can't do that! I won't watch this anymore!"

Gohan was about to snap and lose himself in white hot rage. You know what's usually going through people's heads when that happens? Nothing. At least, nothing resembling coherent thought, anyway. Your mind pretty much goes blank, which is what Gohan's silence is supposed to express. Giving him an inner monologue instead is not only entirely unnecessary, but unrealistic as well.

As for Gohan's reasons to finally fight... well, for the most part those are explained in the lyrics of the song. You know, that song FUNimation didn't use.

[TonyTheTiger]

I'm not arguing whether it should or shouldn't be there, I'm just pointing out the fact that it didn't change why he was getting angry.

I think it sort of does. Even if he's saying that he won't let what happened to 16 happen to anybody else, it makes it seem like an isolated incident. The silent reflection, on the other hand, implies that everything that was buried deep inside just came boiling to the surface.

[jjgp1112]

The whole point of the monologue was that he let him die, and that he shouldn't just sit there and watch Cell kill everyone. Hell, those were the last lines!
"I let you die. I can't do that! I won't watch this anymore!"

Gohan was about to snap and lose himself in white hot rage. You know what's usually going through people's heads when that happens? Nothing. At least, nothing resembling coherent thought, anyway. Your mind pretty much goes blank, which is what Gohan's silence is supposed to express. Giving him an inner monologue instead is not only entirely unnecessary, but unrealistic as well.

As for Gohan's reasons to finally fight... well, for the most part those are explained in the lyrics of the song. You know, that song FUNimation didn't use.

Gahh, I'm not even ARGUING whether it should be there or not!! I'm just saying what it was!

Jesus...

[Cowboy Dev]

The whole point of the monologue was that he let him die, and that he shouldn't just sit there and watch Cell kill everyone. Hell, those were the last lines!
"I let you die. I can't do that! I won't watch this anymore!"

Gohan was about to snap and lose himself in white hot rage. You know what's usually going through people's heads when that happens? Nothing. At least, nothing resembling coherent thought, anyway. Your mind pretty much goes blank, which is what Gohan's silence is supposed to express. Giving him an inner monologue instead is not only entirely unnecessary, but unrealistic as well.

As for Gohan's reasons to finally fight... well, for the most part those are explained in the lyrics of the song. You know, that song FUNimation didn't use.

Gahh, I'm not even ARGUING whether it should be there or not!! I'm just saying what it was!

Jesus...

What? The fact that it was completely irrelevant and ruined quite possibly the best moment in Dragon Ball history? Then yes.

Though to be fair, I can kinda see why FUNimation did it. They already had shitty music, might as well add a shitty monolouge to tell us what we already know. I guess some people like that.

[Big Momma]

While I do prefer the original...after listening to the FUNi version after, what? 3-5 years? I have to say it's not all that bad. Don't get me wrong, I prefer the original over it, but the monologue isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Is it unnecessary? Yes. However, it fit about as well as a superfluous monologue could fit in that scene. Also, the scream was pretty good. As for the song...meh. I prefer "Onmei no Hi/Spirit vs. Spirit"...but it could have been worse.

Man...I'm lovin' the Chinese version, though. That scream was great.

Although...to be honest. When I'm at my angriest, my mind doesn't go blank. I usually reflect on what made me angry....which in turn actually makes me more angry.

[Blue]

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He was trying to explain to someone what the monologue meant, not trying to defend it being in there.

[jjgp1112]

Although...to be honest. When I'm at my angriest, my mind doesn't go blank. I usually reflect on what made me angry....which in turn actually makes me more angry.

That's usually what happens with me, too. I usually try to rationalize everything to calm down, but thinking about it to rationalize it just makes it worse.

[Blue]

Yeah that's true for me too if say the teenage fucknut at Kinkos is being an idiot. But if someone smacked down my girlfriend and started stomping on her skull I wouldn't reflect. I would be absolutely fucking livid and nothing would be going through my mind outside of "kill this man".

[linkdude20002001]

But it's obvious that Gohan isn't thinking about anything or trying to calm down. If he was, he wouldn't be screaming like that.

[Kaboom]

Although...to be honest. When I'm at my angriest, my mind doesn't go blank. I usually reflect on what made me angry....which in turn actually makes me more angry.

That's usually what happens with me, too. I usually try to rationalize everything to calm down, but thinking about it to rationalize it just makes it worse.

Have you ever had members of your friends and family all being physically beaten down because of your inability to act, and then having someone who tried to help you killed right in front of you?

I'd assume not. I dunno about you for sure, but I know Gohan's level of angry is a WHOLE different beast from anything I've ever been mad about. I'm not talking "pissed off" or "frustrated," I'm talking "white-hot burning rage."

[linkdude20002001]

That's what I was trying to say, but you worded it much better than I, Kaboom.

[Cowboy Dev]

I get what he was saying, but I strongly disagree.

[DB_Fan1991]

They got German & Chinese swapped in the video, so Chinese is German, and German is Chinese.

[Shiyonasan]

They got German & Chinese swapped in the video, so Chinese is German, and German is Chinese.

I was wondering if it was when I watched it. I'll make a note of that in the OP.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

No, the worst thing about the inner monologue is that he's parroting everything 16 just said a moment earlier. Not that it even being there isn't dumb enough, but it adds to it.

16: I love nature.
Gohan: 16 loved nature!
16: Let it go.
Gohan: I'm letting it go!
16: Your mother's a whore.
Gohan: My mother is in the sex trade!

THANKS GOHAN, BECAUSE I NEEDED A RECAP.

Well put, penguintruth. The interior monologue just wrecked that scene in that dub. Everything else was good.