"DragonBall Z Kai" TV Broadcast Talkback

[penguintruth]

I still say the Thursday episode was the best DB-related English dub episode of all time and I'm looking forward to seeing how Ayres handles Freeza later on when he's in real combat.

Whatever set the Thursday episode is on, I'm getting.

[RazorX]

That was intentional, it's called acting

I'm not criticising his deliveries. I'm criticising the fact that sometimes, and it's not often, he changes the sound of his voice. That is inconsistency, not acting. He can give good deliveries without "deepening" the voice because he has done it.

something FUNimation's Dragon Ball dubs lacked up until Kai.

Fixed for you.

Yes, Yes, Yes, and Yes,

No, No, No and No.

See how easy it is to simply post a few words without providing reasoning? That just makes us go round in circles.

that dub was rushed beyond belief and at times made Funi's DBZ dub seem professional, that alone is insane to think about.

Empty words without substance. It's not hard to provide a bit of elaboration for your views, well actually if you hold that view then it is hard.

I'm not a hardcore FUNimation dub fan and I hate Season 3, but at least it was than the Westwood dub. Sean Schemmel's voice acting in Season 3 was horrible, but at least it wasn't humorous like Peter Kelamis' Kid Gokū voice and his overacted lines like: "Urrhg leave... these people... alone... GUH!"

It was than the Westwood dub? I think you missed a word

The Westood/Ocean dub and FUNimation Kai dub are leagues ahead of FUNimation's season 3.

Yes, exactly. If he had the exact same tone all throughout, then it would be a flat and completely unconvincing performance.

It has on occasion crept in when Freeza is talking normally, that is where the inconsistency lies. It's not major because it is not done often, but it has happened.

[Metalwario64]

It has on occasion crept in when Freeza is talking normally, that is where the inconsistency lies. It's not major because it is not done often, but it has happened.

Again, some deliveries demand a shift in tone. It's just how acting works sometimes, especially for a character like Fri­eza. Sometimes even Nakao will start off with a higher pitch and then work into a deeper more menacing tone in the middle of a sentence.

[Kaboom]

Again, RazorX, please stop the off-topic 'Ocean vs FUNi' malarkey. This thread is about the TV broadcast version of FUNimation's dub of DragonBall Kai. Old alternate dubs of Z have nothing to do with it. You've already been warned, along with others, at least twice now, and you're in danger of a temp-banning if you continue to ignore our warnings.

[batistabus]

That was intentional, it's called acting

I'm not criticising his deliveries. I'm criticising the fact that sometimes, and it's not often, he changes the sound of his voice. That is inconsistency, not acting.

Can you provide a specific example of when this happened? Even if it does happen, it's never stood out to me at all. It certainly hasn't been enough to be considered a problem.

Season 3 is leagues behind the Westood/Ocean and FUNimation Kai dubs.

Season 3 acting wise is leagues behind almost anything ever produced for television. And I'm pretty sure we can all agree on that.


And by the way you just rebuttled, I will be genuinly surprised if there isn't a mod warning by the time I post this.

Edit: Yep.

[Metalwario64]

Can you provide a specific example of when this happened? Even if it does happen, it's never stood out to me at all. It certainly hasn't been enough to be considered a problem.

Yeah, all I've really noticed was that he would change the pitch of his voice mid sentence at times, which is part of the acting. There were a few instances in his earliest episodes where the voice would seem off at times (especially his very first line), but considering he was finding his ground, it is completely understandable with even the most talented of actors.

[batistabus]

Can you provide a specific example of when this happened? Even if it does happen, it's never stood out to me at all. It certainly hasn't been enough to be considered a problem.

Yeah, all I've really noticed was that he would change the pitch of his voice mid sentence at times, which is part of the acting. There were a few instances in his earliest episodes where the voice would seem off at times (especially his very first line), but considering he was finding his ground, it is completely understandable with even the most talented of actors.

Right. And I think part of that was just getting audiences to ease into the different voice and radically different delivery.

[RazorX]

It has on occasion crept in when Freeza is talking normally, that is where the inconsistency lies. It's not major because it is not done often, but it has happened.

Again, some deliveries demand a shift in tone. It's just how acting works sometimes, especially for a character like Fri­eza. Sometimes even Nakao will start off with a higher pitch and then work into a deeper more menacing tone in the middle of a sentence.

Those deliveries in question would be when Freeza sounds menacing or out of patience. On a few occasions where I noted it, it was not demanded by the circumstances. If it was intentional then we would've seen more of it. Normally Chris sticks to his androgynous voice.

Again, please stop the off-topic 'Ocean vs FUNi' malarkey. This thread is about the TV broadcast version of FUNimation's dub of DragonBall Kai. Old alternate dubs of Z have nothing to do with it. You've all already been warned at least twice now, and temp-bannings will ensue if the mods continue to go unheeded.

OK.

Can you provide a specific example of when this happened? Even if it does happen, it's never stood out to me at all. It certainly hasn't been enough to be considered a problem.

It happened a few times in episode 21. I'll rewatch some scenes to remember more specific locations. I'm not saying it's a big problem because it does not happen often, but it has happened.

Season 3 acting wise is leagues behind almost anything ever produced for television. And I'm pretty sure we can all agree on that.

Because of that, it feels a bit strange to have some sort of quality in the dubbing of those episodes via the Kai dub, but it is nice to see those episodes completely redubbed. (As far as Kai's footage allows)

[MR.Mark]

Yeah, all I've really noticed was that he would change the pitch of his voice mid sentence at times, which is part of the acting.

Excatly, like for example:

Freeza: "You want to know my power level? Five hundred...thirty thousand."

Very sinister, and clearly intentional, yet sounding completely natural, that's why Ayres is great in the role.

My main problem is that his changes in tone sound like complete balls to me.

Well, Linda sounded like complete balls at all times as Freeza, so , yeah.

[jjgp1112]

My main problem is that his changes in tone sound like complete balls to me.

Well, Linda sounded like complete balls at all times as Freeza, so , yeah.

What does doing this even accomplish?

[MR.Mark]

Nothing but the obvious, that Ayres performance to Linda is night and day in how much better it is. When you defend Young's Freeza don't be shocked when people disagree.

[Metalwario64]

Very sinister, and clearly intentional, yet sounding completely natural, that's why Ayres is great in the role.

Yeah, I feel the same. Previously I felt Ayres was an improvement, but not by too much. As I've stated his actual voice was a bit inconsistent in the earlier episodes, but it was his first time in this role, so it's only natural that he would be trying to find his ground in the role, as is the case with just about any actor. Not to mention the role he is taking on is a very difficult one to pull off.

He has completely sold me with the previous episode. His voice was consistent throughout (which up until this point was becoming less and less of a problem), and his laughs, chuckles, and everything were spot on to Nakao. His "hooo!" after Nail explained the Grand Elder to Fri­eza was perfect! This is by far the best English Fri­eza to date, and even perhaps the best non-Nakao Frie­za in any language! We still haven't gotten to the episodes where he completely breaks down though, so we have yet to see if he is on par with Z Nakao, but so far he is every bit as good, if not a bit better than Nakao's Kai performance.

[jjgp1112]

Nothing but the obvious, that Ayres performance to Linda is night and day in how much better it is. When you defend Young's Freeza don't be shocked when people disagree.

But...where does Linda Young come into ANY of this? I just said something bad about Chris Ayres and you're like "OH YEAH?! WELL, LINDA YOUNG SUCKS! SO THERE!" That has absolutely NOTHING to do with this. We're talking about Chris Ayers here, not Linda Young. So don't try any silly Ad Hominen attacks just because you disagree with me. That's just downright juvenile.

[MR.Mark]

Yeah, I feel the same. Previously I felt Ayres' was an improvement, but not by too much.

I honestly don't think so, I admit he sounded very Newstone like during his introductory line, but after that his voice has been the same IMO. From taunting the Nameks, to conversing with Zarbon, Ayres Freeza has been great to me.

This is by far the best English Fri­eza to date, and even perhaps the best non-Nakao Frie­za in any language!

I really believe he will be when all is said and done and we look back on his full performance in Kai.

But...where does Linda Young come into ANY of this?

Because you'll praise her, than turn around at every opportunity to criticize Chris. No different than your attitude toward most any other recast in the Kai dub. Your bias for the DBZ dub creeps its way into almost every Kai dub discussion and it's downright annoying. It's no better than penguintruth slamming sean or razorX pointless crusade for a dub nobody here seems to care about anyway.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Yeah, all I've really noticed was that he would change the pitch of his voice mid sentence at times, which is part of the acting.

Excatly, like for example:

Freeza: "You want to know my power level? Five hundred...thirty thousand."

Very sinister, and clearly intentional, yet sounding completely natural, that's why Ayres is great in the role.

I really loved that line. I've never seen the DBZ dub version of the scene (did this line even survive the revisioning process?), but I can just imagine how Linda Young would have said it. She'd say the line rather snarky, almost as if Freeza was bragging or something. Ayres is simply giving Nail a polite warning! Young always made Freeza sound like a complete dick (which he is! But he's supposed to hide it).

Maybe some of that was because of the direction, but I think it's mostly because Young just naturally has this bitchy granny voice. See: Genkai from YYH.

[jjgp1112]

But...where does Linda Young come into ANY of this?

Because you'll praise her, than turn around at every opportunity to criticize Chris. No different than your attitude toward most any other recast in the Kai dub. Your bias for the DBZ dub creeps its way into almost every Kai dub discussion and it's downright annoying. It's no better than penguintruth slamming sean or razorX pointless crusade for a dub nobody here seems to care about anyway.

So, basically...you're just annoyed by me disagreeing with you? Okay, champ, got it.

[MetalMadness]

This is ridiculous, how can you possibly believe that Linda Young is better than Ayres?

Now, I'm a dubbie. I'm a huge dubbie. I love Faulconer, I love all of my English voice actors.

I can appreciate and respect the original Japanese version but to be quite honest, prefer the dub.
Even though I know all of the dub's faults, and all of the stupid shit, I still prefer it.

That being said, Linda Young made Frieza a joke. I remember all my friends and I would make fun of Frieza because of his voice.

When I started to learn of the original rendition of Frieza and Nakao's portrayal, I gained a TON more respect for the character.

Linda Young played Frieza as an evil grandmother, simple as that. There was very, very rarely and sinister or creepy aspect to her voice.

There was very rarely the polite, gentleman-like talk.

Ayres portrays that very well, and I can't believe ANYONE would think that Young was better.

When you hear Young's Frieza you think "what the hell? that's his voice? that's the evil galactic tyrant's voice?"

I'm glad Freeza is finally getting the respect as a character he deserves, as he really is a deep character; much more than Cell or Buu. He has a lot more personality to him, and Young simply did not deliver that to me and many, many other fans.

[MR.Mark]

Maybe some of that was because of the direction, but I think it's mostly because Young just naturally has this bitchy granny voice.

Even with better direction and Kai's dub script, she still would of been awful. Her "Freeza" voice is so forced that there's no way she would of pulled off all the subtleties that goes with Freeza's true character.

I can't believe ANYONE would think that Young was better.

I know, I can't cannot understand it at all, which is why I find myself so compelled to call people on the ridiculousness of preferring it.

[Puto]

Yeah, all I've really noticed was that he would change the pitch of his voice mid sentence at times, which is part of the acting.

Excatly, like for example:

Freeza: "You want to know my power level? Five hundred...thirty thousand."

Very sinister, and clearly intentional, yet sounding completely natural, that's why Ayres is great in the role.

I really loved that line. I've never seen the DBZ dub version of the scene (did this line even survive the revisioning process?)

It didn't. In the Z dub, the closest they got was "I'm probably five thousand times stronger than you are".

[sun_wukong86]

This is ridiculous, how can you possibly believe that Linda Young is better than Ayres?

Now, I'm a dubbie. I'm a huge dubbie. I love Faulconer, I love all of my English voice actors.

I can appreciate and respect the original Japanese version but to be quite honest, prefer the dub.
Even though I know all of the dub's faults, and all of the stupid shit, I still prefer it.

I was introduced to DBZ through the Dub in 1998, so it has a special nostalgia factor for me. I've since been a Japanese dub convert, but this new dub is amazing. The script rewrite is amazing, props for FUNI for working hard on it.

Other than new Freeza and the fantastic new script, I think what is doing it for me is that they finally gave Chris Sabat a break. He's not doing every minor character anymore. I also like the new Nail, good casting.