Question about this scan

[sj1million]

Does anyone know what the power levels on the bottom of this picture might be?

I don't know what magazine this is from, but the numbers are related to "kiri" levels.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/52373673@N ... 5/sizes/l/

[Savage68]

I see Trunks, SSJ Vegeta, Super Buu, Cell, Gotenks, etc.

That is one really fake scan.

[Ashy-kun]

That's why I didn't want to say anything. Cell, Magical Being Boo, and Gotenks are all characters that were after the time we were given official ratings on Battle Strength/Power.

[Dayspring]

The bottom give kiri readings? Can you tell us what they are since they were all cut off?

I don't see how it's inherently fake just because the daizenshuu don't give BPs beyond SSJ Goku vs Freeza. Note that Herms has found many BPs outside those sources as well.

[Senzu_Bean]

Unquestionably fake. But I have to praise whomever done this, it looks somewhat official. If aren't for those ridiculous battle powers...

[Dayspring]

Unquestionably fake. But I have to praise whomever done this, it looks somewhat official. If aren't for those ridiculous battle powers...

How are they ridiculous? Most are official BPs and the rest are damn close to what they could be.

[Kaboom]

Unquestionably fake. But I have to praise whomever done this, it looks somewhat official. If aren't for those ridiculous battle powers...

How are they ridiculous? Most are official BPs and the rest are damn close to what they could be.

Yeah, I think that says 200,000,000 for Androids-arc Vegeta, which would totally work IF it were official. Too bad the others got cut off. But official or not, I'm intrigued. Where did you find this, sj1million?

[Herms]

Does anyone know what the power levels on the bottom of this picture might be?

I don't know what magazine this is from, but the numbers are related to "kiri" levels.

How do you know the numbers are related to kiri levels if they're completely cut off in the scan, especially if you don't even know where this scan came from? I'd say it's more important to first establish whether this scan comes from some official source, before worrying about what it might say.

[Senzu_Bean]

I have the feeling he did this himself.

[sj1million]

Does anyone know what the power levels on the bottom of this picture might be?

I don't know what magazine this is from, but the numbers are related to "kiri" levels.

How do you know the numbers are related to kiri levels if they're completely cut off in the scan, especially if you don't even know where this scan came from? I'd say it's more important to first establish whether this scan comes from some official source, before worrying about what it might say.

So I take that you've never seen the picture before then? That's interesting. I figured if someone knows anything about it, the picture and mention of "kiri" should ring a bell.

The only place you can find any information regarding the scan is on the Dragonball Wiki site.

Here's the link: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:L ... wer_Levels
Just scroll all the way down and you should find the picture there.

[Kaboom]

The only place you can find any information regarding the scan is on the Dragonball Wiki site.
Here's the link: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:L ... wer_Levels
Just scroll all the way down and you should find the picture there.

Pardon me while I go bang my head against a wall.


... Ow. Okay, where were we? Ah, makes sense that the image would come from the horrendous DB Wikia. We could probably safely dismiss it as malarkey now, then. It's certainly from nothing trustworthy or official. I'm still curious though, and have to raise an eyebrow that whoever crafted it omitted the bottom line.

[Herms]

So I take that you've never seen the picture before then? That's interesting. I figured if someone knows anything about it, the picture and mention of "kiri" should ring a bell.

Nope, never seen it. It's not from any of the official guidebooks (daizenshuu, Landmark/Forever, GT Perfect Files, Densetsu books, SEGs, etc), that's for sure. The DB wikia says it's from "a magazine", but that's not terribly helpful. What magazine, and when did it come out? That's fairly important info, and you shouldn't trust them if they can't provide it.

Truth, be told, I have actually heard rumors of there having been an issue of V-Jump that had a section on converting kiri readings into Freeza-style battle powers. Olivier Hague mentioned it some time ago, and according to him the conversation was 1 kiri = 50,000 BP. If you do the math, this puts Super Saiyan Goku in the Boo arc as equal to Super Saiyan Goku on Namek (50,000 x 3,000 = 150,000,000). Anyway, I never could manage to find any other mention of this V-Jump issue. Maybe this scan is of it, but I doubt it. The paper quality and lack of color don't resemble a V-Jump page.

[Kaboom]

Olivier Hague mentioned it some time ago, and according to him the conversation was 1 kiri = 50,000 BP. If you do the math, this puts Super Saiyan Goku in the Boo arc as equal to Super Saiyan Goku on Namek (50,000 x 3,000 = 150,000,000).

That's interesting. But it wouldn't make much sense. Dabra's 4000 or so Kiri would only equate to 200,000,000. Someone who's more-or-less as strong as Perfect Cell is barely over half-again stronger than Freeza? Head. Hurts.

On the other hand, BASE Goku was more or less a match for Yakon's 800 Kiri, which would be a Battle Power of around 40,000,000. That's a feasible, if a bit bloated, range for the base Saiyans by the Boo arc... Oh, I have such a love/hate thing for these numbers...

[Herms]

That's interesting. But it wouldn't make much sense. Dabra's 4000 or so Kiri would only equate to 200,000,000. Someone who's more-or-less as strong as Perfect Cell is barely over half-again stronger than Freeza? Head. Hurts.

Yeah, the whole thing would be based on assuming that Super Saiyan Goku doesn't get any stronger between his first appearance and the Boo arc, so therefore if his power in BP is 150,000,000 and his power in kiri is 3,000, 50,000 BP must equal 1 kiri. Logical, but the base assumption is hard to reconcile with the events of the Cell and Boo arcs, to say the least. Anyway, it's just a rumor.

Back to the scan though: it also could be from an unofficial guidebook, of which there are quite a few. For instance, there's the two "Secret of DragonBall" books, part of the "Secret of..." series of unofficial manga/anime guidebooks. Or some sort of Japanese unofficial DB magazine, similar to Beckett's here in the US. Or it could come from all sorts of other things, really. Just because it appears to have been printed in something is no reason to assume that it must be something legitimate .

[Senzu_Bean]

Yeah, the whole thing would be based on assuming that Super Saiyan Goku doesn't get any stronger between his first appearance and the Boo arc...

But that is impossible cause Super Saiyan Goku get A LOT stronger after achieved Full-Power Super Saiyan.

I guess it is fake. Some funny guy did that in his free time.

[Godo]

Yeah, the whole thing would be based on assuming that Super Saiyan Goku doesn't get any stronger between his first appearance and the Boo arc...

But that is impossible cause Super Saiyan Goku get A LOT stronger after achieved Full-Power Super Saiyan.

I guess it is fake. Some funny guy did that in his free time.

Or we can assume that Goku at the time he has powered up against Yakon simply wasn't at full power yet. Why would he go full power against an enemy who:

1) Is much, much weaker
2) He was going to show that darkness doesn't affect him, since he can glow

We have also never seen Goku going for full power directly when he is going to fight an enemy. He likes to play around and let them show him their full strength over time.

[Senzu_Bean]

Or we can assume that Goku at the time he has powered up against Yakon simply wasn't at full power yet.

I'm not going to stop assuming something because of a fake scan. If Goku wasn't at his maximum (in Super Saiyan that is) there won't be any reason to go Super Saiyan 2. He would just power-up instantly in Super Saiyan and the result would be the same.

[Kaboom]

I thought the same thing too. Goku only initially transformed to put off light, so he wouldn't necessarily be at full power. But there's still Dabra, who's more or less equivalent to Perfect Cell and boasted about his own range of 4000 Kiri.

[Senzu_Bean]

Over 4000 Kiri actually. If I'm not mistaken Dabra says not even 4000 Kiri is enough to beat him. That is filler though.

But why jump from under 800 to 3000? Why not jump to 1000 only? Heck, why not even remain at the same power but turn Super Saiyan, if the only purpose is to put off light?

[Godo]

I'm not going to stop assuming something because of a fake scan.

Nobody is asking you to.

He would just power-up instantly in Super Saiyan and the result would be the same.

You don't know that.
What we do know, however, is that he chose the SSJ2 to blow up Yakon's body. Why he did that, is not known though.

I thought the same thing too. Goku only initially transformed to put off light, so he wouldn't necessarily be at full power. But there's still Dabra, who's more or less equivalent to Perfect Cell and boasted about his own range of 4000 Kiri.

Yeah, I agree. That's odd.
Maybe we should just take that conversion "chart" with a grain of salt.