Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Is that an official term or something?

I'm pretty sure it isn't. If it was, I would hear the term used way more often.

[jordanator]

Piccolo vs. Yoda? I'd say Piccolo. They both can use that telekinesis thing, or for Yoda, the force. Also, Piccolo can regenerate his limbs and body etc. Yoda is good with a lightsaber.
What do you guys think?
Just thought of another. I'm not in to Star wars that much , but it has great villains etc. Anyway, I thought of my favourite villains from both the Dragon Ball universe, and Star wars. And I came up with Frieza vs. Darth Maul. They are both badass tyrants!

[Hellspawn28]

Piccolo should easily beat Yoda in my opinon. But Star Wars does have stuff that could beat Dragon Ball/Z like the Sun Crusher which can destroy a solar system easily.

Is that an official term or something?

No but it's a term that people make up in vs threads, and he killed Freeza who destroy Planet Namke.

[Big Momma]

I'd have to go for Peter Griffin. Would Yajirobe last long against a giant chicken?

IIRC, Peter Griffin and the chicken are two different people.

[caejones]

Yoda Vs. Piccolo?
Depends on speed / reaction ability, I should think.
I would imagine that a Z character could block a lightsaber, but it would have to be deliberate. (I don't really have anything to base that on... maybe Goku getting burned by lava frequently? )
But Piccolo seems like he could out think and out maneuver Yoda.
I should think Yoda would have more success against Freeza or Cell (unless of course we count filler Cell blocking a Kienzan to the neck without trying... maybe Imperfect Cell? ).

*Isn't sure how to evaluate Darth Maul*

[Piccolo Daimao]

Zarbon would win. Simply because I hate Twilight and the annoying fangirl fawning of Robert Pattinson. And anyway, Zarbon could just blast Edward's pretty li'l face off and win.

Impartial judge, you're FIRED! Also beauty pageant not a fight. I demand a REAL answer to this hard hitting question!

Zarbon's evil, though. If he blasts Cullen's face off and the judge objects, he could just say, "Give me the trophy or die!" Sure, it wouldn't be fair, but what can you do?

OK, real answer? I wouldn't know. I'm a heterosexual male. Anyway, there's no real comparison, since one's real-life and the other's a manga character. It's like asking, who's hotter: Bulma or Jennifer Aniston?

[Zep]

On the Goku VS Superman subject, I'd have to say that Goku would probably win, at least against current-era Superman...

Although I always say, just because he would win in a fight doesn't automatically make Goku the better character. I think people who get into these kinds of arguments and take them seriously need to realise that.

Besides, we all know if Thanos had the Infinity Gauntlet he'd beat everyone.

[Bussani]

On the Goku VS Superman subject, I'd have to say that Goku would probably win, at least against current-era Superman...

You seem like a sensible fellow, so I'd like to ask you how you came to this conclusion.

[KakaR0T]

who's hotter: Bulma or Jennifer Aniston?

Neither. I wouldn't touch either with a 40 foot pole

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

who's hotter: Bulma or Jennifer Aniston?

Neither. I wouldn't be able to touch either with a 40 foot pole

Fixed for you.

[Rory]

Tonberry vs Vegetto.

[mysticboy]

Tonberry vs Vegetto.

Tonberry

[Rocketman]

Vegetto.

[Zep]

On the Goku VS Superman subject, I'd have to say that Goku would probably win, at least against current-era Superman...

You seem like a sensible fellow, so I'd like to ask you how you came to this conclusion.

It's never really elaborated on whether Superman has the capability to destroy a planet single-handedly... At least not in any story I know of. Goku in later years is capable of doing such a thing with almost any one of his attacks, if he was to get careless.

Also, Superman is essentially a brawler. He gets by simply because he's stronger than everyone else in his universe, and if he fights someone of equal or higher strength than him he will either win through sheer determination or by outsmarting them or finding a way that does not involve brute strength. Goku, on the other hand, is a trained martial artist. Even if the two of them were on equal footing strength-wise and Goku was banned from using ki techniques, he would have the upper hand because he's the better fighter.

I'm still a bigger fan of Superman than Goku though. They're both extremely similar characters when you get down to it, but I find Superman to be a much more credible source of good than Goku is. Sure, he's pure of heart (although I'd personally call that into question with all the people he's killed who could've easily just been stuck in jail once he was done with them... the Red Ribbon army comes to mind) and has saved the world countless times himself, but Goku's still a bit of a thug who solves most of his problems by punching them. Superman is sometimes written the same way, but most of my preferred writers will present him with problems that can't be solved with violence. Goku's never talked a suicidal girl off the edge of a building.

[Bussani]

It's never really elaborated on whether Superman has the capability to destroy a planet single-handedly... At least not in any story I know of. Goku in later years is capable of doing such a thing with almost any one of his attacks, if he was to get careless.

Also, Superman is essentially a brawler. He gets by simply because he's stronger than everyone else in his universe, and if he fights someone of equal or higher strength than him he will either win through sheer determination or by outsmarting them or finding a way that does not involve brute strength. Goku, on the other hand, is a trained martial artist. Even if the two of them were on equal footing strength-wise and Goku was banned from using ki techniques, he would have the upper hand because he's the better fighter.

Thanks for replying. I had a feeling Goku blowing up planets would be part of it. That and skill are probably the only things I think that Goku has over the current Superman, who seems to be stronger, faster, obviously more physically resilient and with a potentially inexhaustible stamina.

I'm still a bigger fan of Superman than Goku though. They're both extremely similar characters when you get down to it, but I find Superman to be a much more credible source of good than Goku is. Sure, he's pure of heart (although I'd personally call that into question with all the people he's killed who could've easily just been stuck in jail once he was done with them... the Red Ribbon army comes to mind) and has saved the world countless times himself, but Goku's still a bit of a thug who solves most of his problems by punching them. Superman is sometimes written the same way, but most of my preferred writers will present him with problems that can't be solved with violence. Goku's never talked a suicidal girl off the edge of a building.

Yeah, I understand. Although I don't think Goku is meant to be the credible source of good that Superman is. He just isn't a superhero at all; he's a guy who likes to fight. I think someone like that saving the world is interesting in their own right. I guess I like both apples and oranges.

[Zep]

Yeah, I'm not expecting Goku to be the same as Superman. I only take some issue in his portrayal as being pure and good, despite him often murdering people in Dragon Ball without a second thought when there were other options on how to deal with them (not so much when he got older and started giving his enemies second chances), but that's maybe just a difference in my morals with the ones Toriyama has; personal moral codes are pretty abstract things and it's hard to really say mine is anymore justified than his.

Maybe that's why I prefer Superman, in that he better represents the sort of moral code I'd expect a superpowerful being to have. People often say he's boring because he's often portrayed as being infallible, and while I find that untrue (he has plenty of problems that don't just amount to Lex Luthor and Kryptonite) I find those types of characters just as interesting as flawed ones. It's easy for someone to give into temptations or commit heinous acts for their own benefit, so it's nice to see a character who resists such things. I still like Goku (he's not my favourite Dragon Ball character admittedly), but if someone told me to choose one or the other I'd choose Supes.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

I don't think there's anything official, but I've figured them to only be around 50 feet tall. Maybe 80 at the most.

That's about what I'd guess, too. Most of the Angels are the size of Evas, which I figure to be around 230+ feet (70-80 meters). The size of the Evas isn't portrayed entirely consistently in the series, but anything smaller than this estimate doesn't make sense given the size of the entry plug (i.e. the cockpit).

Actually, I'm pretty sure Unit-01 is officially 40 meters tall.

[Dayspring]

Popeye would definitely win over Krillin. Popeye's a gag character and therefore can't truly be defeated.

The real question is who would win in a fight, Superman or Arale?

Arale in every case:

Original Author vs Original Author:
The Shuster and Siegel Superman can be rendered unconscious by bombs dropped by WWI planes. Arale probably wouldn't even say "Oyo?" to that.

Same Author:
If we're talking about the Doctor Slump Superman, note that Suppaman brags about how much of a weakling Superman is compared to him. Meanwhile, we've seen how big a gap there is between Suppaman and Arale time and time again.

Silver Age Superman vs Arale:
Silver Age Superman is a walking plot device, while Arale is a gag-character. Thus, the laws of gag-manga demand Arale win in a comical way, while the laws of Silver Age-comics demands that Superman lose to her in friendly and light-hearted way. Regardless of which comics laws win out, Superman loses.

Current Incarnation of Superman vs Arale:
In Modern-Age comics, Arale would be like Myzxptlk to Superman, while in gag-manga, Arale would still win, unless her stupidity is used against her in a comical way that gets her distracted and leaving the fight altogether. Thus, since he can't get her to say "Elara" and vanish, and since he can fly, rather than fight her, he'd give in and entertain her by flying around. Since she'd probably want to fly more than fight, that means she gets what she wants at the expense of causing him a minor annoyance. IE: She wins.

So depending how you look at things, she either wins all four times, or wins three and ties one. That makes Arale the victor.

Golden Age Superman isn't Superman. He was. Silver Age Superman isn't Superman. He was.

No, Golden Age Superman is the Silver Age Superman prior to having been bombarded by enough solar energy. Prior to that, being born on Krypton meant he was just to gold-medal olympians as gold-medal olympians are to the very feeble. Meanwhile, the Silver Age Superman is the Pre-Crisis Earth-2 Superman. He even returned in the Infinite Crisis, where he died and came back as a zombie during the Blackest Knight. It matters not if his universe no longer exists. That's not the same kind of retcon as Trunks warning about #19 and #20.

As for Goku vs Superman:

First Appearance vs First Appearance:
Pilaf-era Goku gets hurts by bullets, but not severely. Shuster and Siegel's Superman is the same, but he can handle the bullets of pistols better than Goku did. In regards to fighting skill, Superman learned how to box on a professional level, while Goku trained with his grandfather and is quite skilled in martial artists. Meanwhile, Superman has no weapon while Goku has the nyoibo. Provided Goku doesn't go for a direct punching match, he'd win. This wouldn't be a one-sided fight, though.

Original Author vs Original Author:
If Pilaf-era Goku has a 2/3 chance of taking the original Superman out, then once he's finished training under Roshi, he's guaranteed victory. Thus "original Superman/Goku from what timeframe?" doesn't matter, since Goku becomes the second strongest in existance, while Superman becomes at most twice as strong.

Silver Age Superman vs Any Goku:
This is where things get tricky. Superman is now a plot device, so if need be, he'll win just for the hell of things. However, if Goku needs to win, then he'll win regardless of his strength levels.

Current ("Latest") Comics Superman vs Current ("Latest") Manga Goku:
Kryptonians are everywhere to the point where they've been depowered enough that humans get the drop on them (of course, without the right weapon, that means nothing). In fact, the small rockets can now easily chase Kryptonians. The whole "faster than a speeding bullet" is now an accurate measuring stick again, but Radditz was able to do that, too. Assuming Radditz is the weakest one can be to dodge bullets, and assuming the daizenshuu BP chart and comments are correct, I'd say kryptonians are somewhere between Piccolo Daimao and Radditz. In other words, Supes is no match for SSJ3 Goku.

[Bussani]

That's about what I'd guess, too. Most of the Angels are the size of Evas, which I figure to be around 230+ feet (70-80 meters). The size of the Evas isn't portrayed entirely consistently in the series, but anything smaller than this estimate doesn't make sense given the size of the entry plug (i.e. the cockpit).

Actually, I'm pretty sure Unit-01 is officially 40 meters tall.

I've heard that number before, but it makes no sense. The entry plug wouldn't be able to fit in an Eva that small. That or the entry plug would be far too small to fit the pilot in.



I'd appreciate it if someone could translate this chart, which seems to make the most logical sense:

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Oh, I've seen that chart before. It's from one of the Rebuild books. It says that one square is the same as 10 meters, meaning that the Evangelion, eight squares tall, is 80 meters tall. There was also a 1/80 scale, 1 meter tall Evangelion figure that was released, again implying a height of 80 meters. However, this might only apply to Rebuild, because I'd always heard 40 meters for the series. In any case, it varies from episode to episode anyway. Sometimes, the Evas tower over the buildings in Tokyo-3, sometimes they're like half the size.