Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[Bussani]

Oh, I've seen that chart before. It's from one of the Rebuild books. It says that one square is the same as 10 meters, meaning that the Evangelion, eight squares tall, is 80 meters tall. There was also a 1/80 scale, 1 meter tall Evangelion figure that was released, again implying a height of 80 meters. However, this might only apply to Rebuild, because I'd always heard 40 meters for the series. In any case, it varies from episode to episode anyway. Sometimes, the Evas tower over the buildings in Tokyo-3, sometimes they're like half the size.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right that 40 meters is the official series height, because that seems to be the scale they've built the 1:1 Unit-01 bust to. But it makes absolutely no sense. I mean, they have an entry plug seat you can sit in right next to it, and you can tell right away that it's far too big to fit into the Eva bust without completely redesigning the slot it's supposed to fit into in the Eva's back. I think whoever came up with the official numbers just didn't think things through enough. The entry plug would have to be the length of the Eva's entire torso to even get the pilot in.

Anyway, that's why I used my best guess instead. And thanks for letting me know where the chart's from; I've had it all this time without knowing.

[Super Sonic]

With the Superman stuff and due to rewatching the episode yesterday, thought I'd ask, who do you think would win between Babidi and Mr. Myzxptlk/Buu and Mr. Myzxptlk? Me, I'd say Mxy hands down as he could probably take any of the Buus except maybe Super Buu as the other versions might not be smart enough to trick him.

[Bussani]

I'd have to vote for Mxyzptlk, too. He's a higher dimensional reality bender. Even if Buu turned him into chocolate, he'd probably turn himself back. And if Babidi's magic couldn't stop Piccolo, it would certainly be useless in this case.

[Hellspawn28]

Mxy destroy and restore the Multiverse by a simple laugh. Mxy will kill any DB character with the snap of his fingers.

[Anonymous Friend]

I'm going to post this before reading the entire thread in case I don't get around to it.

In any Goku vs Superman disuccion people seem to not take into consideration how much punishment the characters have shown that they can take.

I've seem Goku with broken bones, knocked unconscience, and even killed to the point where he doesn't have a physical body anymore. I can't say that I've seem Superman knocked unconscience many times and have never seen him with any broken limbs. Doomsday did "kill" him by punching him in the face and he got better.

Now, you may say that Goku is much faster than Superman, but much of the speed in Dragonball has been "faster than I can see" speed followed by "faster than what the one guy who could see the previous speed".

Then you have to take into consideration the different fighting habits of the two. Goku would purposely start off very slow and not effort in a way to gauge the skill of anyone he fights and also as a way to prolong the fight. Superman would also start off slow just to be sure he wouldn't seriously hurt anyone. And only gradually increase his attacks.

[mrzisawesome]

Dragon Ball Z characters have been fighting at FTL speeds since Dragon Ball.
This is seen when Goku is able to run across the Budokai arena and grab Roshi's sunglasses BEFORE Ten's light from the Taiyoken can reach him. Not to mention Shunkan Ido.

Now even Cell was a Solar System destroyer, and they can erase things with their KI. DBZ characters are the most powerful, hands down.

[Xyex]

Dragon Ball z Characters have been fighting at FTL speeds since Dragon Ball

No, they have not.

The sunglasses were a gag, it would have been faster and simpler to look the other way and close his eyes. Shunkan Ido is the only time anyone in Dragonball comes close to light speed, let alone goes faster, and that's because it's instantaneous.

[caejones]

Though the light from the taiyoken travels at the speed of light (through air, which is about the same as its vacuum speed), that doesn't mean that the technique happened in such an instant. Goku could quite easily have recognized the technique before the light was emitted; nothing requires that he outran the light to grab the glasses.
(That always bugged me because the glasses seem like they'd be against the rules of the tournament. But eh.)

[mysticboy]

Cell vs Amazo.

[mrzisawesome]

And also, Raditz dodges Light of Death which is faster than beams being clocked at lightspeed.
Evey DBZ fan knows how fast and powerful they are....

[Bussani]

And also, Raditz dodges Light of Death which is faster than beams being clocked at lightspeed.
Evey DBZ fan knows how fast and powerful they are....

If any character in Dragon Ball could move faster than light, they could get anywhere on Earth in far less than a second.

I'd like to know which beams were "clocked at lightspeed" and why Makankosappo is faster than them.

[mysticboy]

And also, Raditz dodges Light of Death which is faster than beams being clocked at lightspeed.
Evey DBZ fan knows how fast and powerful they are....

Dub error.

[Rocketman]

If any character in Dragon Ball could move faster than light, they could get anywhere on Earth in far less than a second.

Well, technically they couldn't. Earth's gravity can't hold on to something moving that fast. They'd fly off into space.

[mrzisawesome]

And also, Raditz dodges Light of Death which is faster than beams being clocked at lightspeed.
Evey DBZ fan knows how fast and powerful they are....

If any character in Dragon Ball could move faster than light, they could get anywhere on Earth in far less than a second.

I'd like to know which beams were "clocked at lightspeed" and why Makankosappo is faster than them.

When piccolo destroyed the moon, it took about a second or two, it takes light over 1 second to get here from the moon, that blast was near lightspeed and the light of death is faster than that.

And I am talking about combat speed and reaction time here, for movement speed look at when Gotenks flew around the world a few dozen times.

For what its worth by the way, offical Toei subtitles (form Yo Son Goku) use the Light of Death translation.

And also, Raditz dodges Light of Death which is faster than beams being clocked at lightspeed.
Evey DBZ fan knows how fast and powerful they are....

Dub error.

Uhh, no. Did you read my post, where I explained my thinking, or did you just blindly skim over it and think "HE IS USING A DUB LINE!!!!!!"

[Savage68]

I always find the "light speed" argument especially laughable, because it'd mean characters surpassed the speed of light back around the time of the 22nd Budokai. I don't know what would drive anyone to assume that our laws of physics = Dragon Ball's, especially using examples involving the Moon's destruction.

"Oh hey look, Piccolo's generic ki blast leveled the Moon--so that means his blast was about the same as light speed!! Nevermind the fact that the Moon's destruction blatantly ignored the IRL consequences that go hand-in-hand with destroying the Earth's closest neighbor, such as the cataclysmic tidal waves and backlash from debris."

Isn't that cherry picking?

[Bussani]

When piccolo destroyed the moon, it took about a second or two, it takes light over 1 second to get here from the moon, that blast was near lightspeed

I just knew it was going to be this. It's a pretty poor argument. You can't tell how many seconds it took in the manga, and would you really want to sit there waiting for it to hit in the anime? This is like saying that people in TV shows can move faster than light because they always answer their phone on the first ring or their front door right after you've knocked.

and the light of death is faster than that.

Says who?

And I am talking about combat speed and reaction time here

That's always the excuse people fall back on. So they can move at the speed of light, but only for the smallest fraction of time so they only move slightly to the left? Does this mean they're always traveling slowly on purpose? I guess the only reason Dodoria could fly faster than Kuririn and Gohan--who were each more powerful than the supposedly faster-than-light Raditz at that point--was that they didn't want a speeding ticket.

for movement speed look at when Gotenks flew around the world a few dozen times.

Another panel in which there's no concept of time--not to mention it was a gag.

For what its worth by the way, offical Toei subtitles (form Yo Son Goku) use the Light of Death translation.

Dunno what that has to do with anything.

You're entitled to believe what you want, but your evidence does not convince me, personally.

[caejones]

"Evey DBZ fan knows how fast and powerful they are....", eh?
Which is why there are hundreds of power/strength/speed/who Beats Who debates all over the internet?
Which is why at least four or five people have already objected to this point?
And so help me, if "Evey DBZ fan" means "Evey real DBZ fan", go sign up for a debating class right now. (Note: this is hypothetical.)

Pulling facts out of the air that weren't there is not a terribly good way to convince people of something, unless they are unfamiliar with the subject material. "Light of death is faster than the beam that destroyed the moon, which got there at or near light speed" is such a statement. As is "Goku moved faster than light to grab sunglasses to evade the taiyouken". Admitedly, though, that last one made me think.

[Ahiru77]

Cell vs Amazo.

*googled* Amazo probably, because he has the more broad copying ability. Poor Cell.

[Ringworm128]

Oolong vs Moe from The Simpsons.

[Hellspawn28]

And also, Raditz dodges Light of Death which is faster than beams being clocked at lightspeed.

People are still using that dub line from the 90's DBZ dub . Not to mention not all ki attacks move at the same speed, just because Piccolo's Masenko was able hit the moon in seconds that does not mean all ki attacks move at the same speed.