What if Babidi & Dabura arrived during the Cell Game?

[Kid Buu]

This is a vague question...

At what point of the Cell Games does this happen? Before Goku vs Cell, after Cell has the senzu bean, etc?

[caejones]

I'd find it more likely that Spopovich and Yamu would show up at the Cell Games (except for the part where they were in all likelyhood not under Babidi's control at that point. I suspect they would have shown up had they been, and the anime shows that Spopovich wasn't under Babidi's power in the 24th tournament ).
I could see them jumping in and stabbing Gohan right after Cell is taken away by Goku. Assuming Piccolo and Trunks didn't kill them both right then and there, that leaves the question of Cell, and... eh... I could go on. XD

But if Babidi and Dabura showed up...

I suppose it all comes down to if Cell is susceptible to Babidi's magic. I also have to doubt that we'd get Majin Vegeta at this time, but... Hmm.

[Kid Buu]

Here's my version.

The Z-Fighters show up at the Cell Games. However instead of Goku challenging Cell Yamu and Spopvich come out of nowhere and try to drain Cell's energy. Cell one shots them into an oblivion. Dabura himself challenges Cell...as the battle rages on they are both killed by a surprise FINAL FLASH!!! from Vegeta. Vegeta then decides that the tournament is now the Vegeta Games and Goku is first up to fight him. Goku beats him, Vegeta admits that Goku is best. End of Manga.

[Perfect]

Goku states that Dabura is around Cell's level. Gohan was also significantly weaker when fighting Dabura than he was during the Cell Games. Super Perfect Cell would probably be a bit stronger than Dabura. I can really see an awesome fan fiction for this, thanks for the idea!

[Dayspring]

I don't think anything important would have happened. It took the strength of three SSJ2s, as well as whatever energy was lost during the Yakon vs Goku, Gohan vs Dabura and Vegeta vs Pui Pui battles to release Boo. Unless Cell gets tempted to give birth to tons of Cell Jrs to have their strengths drained so that he can fight Boo himself, I see Dabura getting killed by SSJ2 Gohan long before Boo awakens.

I also don't think Cell would get taken over like others would. If Vegeta could choose to resist it, Cell would likely have an easier focus on resisting it.

[Nazi Cola]

I don't think Goku's comparison of Cell and Dabra makes much sense and, by extension, neither does the Daiz entry.

We see FPSSjin Gohan go at it pretty evenly with Dabra, and Dabra's sole mission was to get energy for Boo. To do that he'd have to injure Gohan, right? Or am I missing something? But yeah, the two fight evenly, with Dabura even sneak-attacking Gohan and still not doing any significant damage. With Gohan being weaker than his Cell Games self, and Dabra fighting evenly with that, I don't see how Dabra could possibly be up on Perfect Cell's level, to be honest. But that's just me, and I'm sure I'll be proven wrong within the day...

[Kaboom]

I've said this a KAJILLION times every time this subject comes up. But remember that Goku's comparison of Dabra to Cell was a VERY loose and offhand one.

It wasn't, "he's every bit as strong as Cell!"
It wasn't, "he's even stronger than Cell was against Gohan!"
It wasn't, "he's as strong as Cell when he fought me!"

It was, "I guess he's about as strong as Cell."

That is nowhere near being specific. That allows for a very wide range of power which Dabra could actually fall in to, even after being noted as "better" than Goku thought once displaying magic abilities.

[Nazi Cola]

I've said this a KAJILLION times every time this subject comes up. But remember that Goku's comparison of Dabra to Cell was a VERY loose and offhand one.

It wasn't, "he's every bit as strong as Cell!"
It wasn't, "he's even stronger than Cell was against Gohan!"
It wasn't, "he's as strong as Cell when he fought me!"

It was, "I guess he's about as strong as Cell."

That is nowhere near being specific. That allows for a very wide range of power which Dabra could actually fall in to, even after being noted as "better" than Goku thought once displaying magic abilities.

Yeah, but Goku couldn't sense SPC's power, and we know FPSSjin Gohan isn't on Perfect Cell's level, so the only Cell that makes any kind of sense is the one Goku himself fought, I guess...

[Perfect]

I've said this a KAJILLION times every time this subject comes up. But remember that Goku's comparison of Dabra to Cell was a VERY loose and offhand one.

It wasn't, "he's every bit as strong as Cell!"
It wasn't, "he's even stronger than Cell was against Gohan!"
It wasn't, "he's as strong as Cell when he fought me!"

It was, "I guess he's about as strong as Cell."

That is nowhere near being specific. That allows for a very wide range of power which Dabra could actually fall in to, even after being noted as "better" than Goku thought once displaying magic abilities.

Yeah, but Goku couldn't sense SPC's power, and we know FPSSjin Gohan isn't on Perfect Cell's level, so the only Cell that makes any kind of sense is the one Goku himself fought, I guess...

It's possible he could have, Cell's chi was sensed all the way to Namek. But that was filler, so whatever.

[Herms]

and the anime shows that Spopovich wasn't under Babidi's power in the 24th tournament

That's in the manga too, briefly.

[LeprikanGT]

Don't underestimate Dabra's spitting technique! And all of his other neat-o magic tricks.

Cell could just rip off any part of him that was spit on, so unless Cell was slow enough to get spat on in the face,that wouldn't really do much. What other magic did Dabura have?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Don't underestimate Dabra's spitting technique! And all of his other neat-o magic tricks.

Cell could just rip off any part of him that was spit on, so unless Cell was slow enough to get spat on in the face,that wouldn't really do much. What other magic did Dabura have?

Creating swords and spears out of thin air,...perhaps breathing fire? I dunno, that last one may be ki based, hell, they all may be ki based since Piccolo can make weapons too.

[Herms]

Don't underestimate Dabra's spitting technique! And all of his other neat-o magic tricks.

Cell could just rip off any part of him that was spit on, so unless Cell was slow enough to get spat on in the face,that wouldn't really do much.

Yeah, that's good for Cell, but I'd think the spit trick would make Dabra quite a trickier opponent for others to fight, compared to Cell. Goku was, after all, not talking about who would win if Dabra fought Cell, but rather talking about how tough an opponent Dabra was compared to Cell, from their perspective.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Who says Cell can react fast enough to his spit? He doesn't know about it, after all. Plus, what if he his Cell's chest or something? How exactly do you tear that off? What if he gets hit in the head?

[Haji]

You know, if they were charged up the spit wouldn't even hit Cell. It would get knocked away by the ki.

[Savage68]

It wasn't, "he's every bit as strong as Cell!"
It wasn't, "he's even stronger than Cell was against Gohan!"
It wasn't, "he's as strong as Cell when he fought me!"

It was, "I guess he's about as strong as Cell."

That is nowhere near being specific. That allows for a very wide range of power which Dabra could actually fall in to, even after being noted as "better" than Goku thought once displaying magic abilities.

I still don't understand why this stance is being taken. Goku's initial comparison of Cell wasn't specific, which is why he later went behind himself and adjusted Dabura's placement, once he saw Gohan fight it out with him. He was stronger than Goku believed him to be, and Goku believed him to be about as strong as Cell. And Cell was a hell of a lot stronger than any Super Saiyan, and a hell of a lot weaker than any Super Saiyan 2.

The key to this argument is that when Goku's "about as strong" and "stronger than I thought" comments are added together, it equates to a description of a character stronger than Cell. What you're trying to tell us is that statements from Goku that could only apply to someone stronger than Cell were actually made in reaction to someone that's weaker than or equal to Cell.

And magical abilities have never made a character "stronger."

[Perfect]

It wasn't, "he's every bit as strong as Cell!"
It wasn't, "he's even stronger than Cell was against Gohan!"
It wasn't, "he's as strong as Cell when he fought me!"

It was, "I guess he's about as strong as Cell."

That is nowhere near being specific. That allows for a very wide range of power which Dabra could actually fall in to, even after being noted as "better" than Goku thought once displaying magic abilities.

I still don't understand why this stance is being taken. Goku's initial comparison of Cell wasn't specific, which is why he later went behind himself and adjusted Dabura's placement, once he saw Gohan fight it out with him. He was stronger than Goku believed him to be, and Goku believed him to be about as strong as Cell. And Cell was a hell of a lot stronger than any Super Saiyan, and a hell of a lot weaker than any Super Saiyan 2.

The key to this argument is that when Goku's "about as strong" and "stronger than I thought" comments are added together, it equates to a description of a character stronger than Cell. What you're trying to tell us is that statements from Goku that could only apply to someone stronger than Cell were actually made in reaction to someone that's weaker than or equal to Cell.

And magical abilities have never made a character "stronger."

Cell isn't "a hell of a lot weaker" than "any Super Saiyan 2". After coming back from the failed suicide, the sparks signify that he's around Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 state during the Cell Games. He's most likely above Adult Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 state.

[Savage68]

Super Perfect Cell was never a part of that discussion.

[Perfect]

Super Perfect Cell was never a part of that discussion.

Super Perfect Cell is still Cell, regardless. The only change is really within his power, it's basically going from Semi-Perfect to Perfect again. You never know whether or not Goku got a decent reading on Cell's chi while he was in the afterlife.

[Savage68]

Super Perfect Cell is still Cell, regardless.

So is Buff Cell and Larvae Cell. As I said, Super Perfect Cell was never a part of my discussion.